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Hi

I’m starting meds for my frozen embryo transfer. My tsh levels are 4.9 I’m on 125mg of levothyroxine. Gp said no action is required. Just want to check the the thyroid association still recommends level of less than 2.5 when ttc. I’ve increased my dose to 150 without my gps consent but I’ll be having a transfer in about 3-4 weeks and there is a lag time for the meds to get into your system and working. Do you think and increase of 25mg is enough? Or should I increase more?

Thanks I’m advance.

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Advice here is to increase 25mcg at a time otherwise it may be too much of an increase for the body.

Unfortunately it does take time for the increase to work which can be 4 to 12 weeks.

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SlowDragonAdministrator

Presumably you have autoimmune thyroid disease also called Hashimoto’s?

What vitamin supplements are you currently taking

Do you always get same brand of levothyroxine

Do you take levothyroxine in morning or at bedtime?

For full Thyroid evaluation you need TSH, FT4 and FT3 plus both TPO and TG thyroid antibodies tested. Also EXTREMELY important to test vitamin D, folate, ferritin and B12

Low vitamin levels are extremely common, especially if you have autoimmune thyroid disease (Hashimoto's) diagnosed by raised Thyroid antibodies

Ask GP to test vitamin levels

Recommended on here that all thyroid blood tests should ideally be done as early as possible in morning and before eating or drinking anything other than water .

Last dose of Levothyroxine 24 hours prior to blood test. (taking delayed dose immediately after blood draw).

This gives highest TSH, lowest FT4 and most consistent results. (Patient to patient tip)

Is this how you do your tests?

Private tests are available as NHS currently rarely tests Ft3 or thyroid antibodies or all relevant vitamins

List of private testing options

thyroiduk.org/getting-a-dia...

Medichecks Thyroid plus vitamins including folate (private blood draw required)

medichecks.com/products/thy...

Thriva Thyroid plus antibodies and vitamins By DIY fingerpick test

thriva.co/tests/thyroid-test

Thriva also offer just vitamin testing

Blue Horizon Thyroid Premium Gold includes antibodies, cortisol and vitamins by DIY fingerprick test

bluehorizonbloodtests.co.uk...

If you can get GP to test vitamins and antibodies then cheapest option for just TSH, FT4 and FT3

£29 (via NHS private service ) and 10% off if go on thyroid uk for code

thyroiduk.org/getting-a-dia...

monitormyhealth.org.uk/thyr...

Many people find Levothyroxine brands are not interchangeable.

Once you find a brand that suits you, best to make sure to only get that one at each prescription.

Watch out for brand change when dose is increased or at repeat prescription.

Many patients do NOT get on well with Teva brand of Levothyroxine. Teva contains mannitol as a filler, which seems to be possible cause of problems. Teva is the only brand that makes 75mcg tablet. So if avoiding Teva for 75mcg dose ask for 25mcg to add to 50mcg or just extra 50mcg tablets to cut in half

Are you currently taking Teva?

Teva, Aristo and Glenmark are the only lactose free tablets

healthunlocked.com/thyroidu...

Teva poll

healthunlocked.com/thyroidu...

academic.oup.com/jcem/artic...

Physicians should: 1) alert patients that preparations may be switched at the pharmacy; 2) encourage patients to ask to remain on the same preparation at every pharmacy refill; and 3) make sure patients understand the need to have their TSH retested and the potential for dosing readjusted every time their LT4 preparation is switched (18).

Levothyroxine is an extremely fussy hormone and should always be taken on an empty stomach and then nothing apart from water for at least an hour after

Many people take Levothyroxine soon after waking, but it may be more convenient and perhaps more effective taken at bedtime

verywellhealth.com/best-tim...

No other medication or supplements at same as Levothyroxine, leave at least 2 hour gap. Some like iron, calcium, magnesium, HRT, omeprazole or vitamin D should be four hours away

(Time gap doesn't apply to Vitamin D mouth spray)

If you normally take levothyroxine at bedtime/in night ...adjust timings as follows prior to blood test

If testing Monday morning, delay Saturday evening dose levothyroxine until Sunday morning. Delay Sunday evening dose levothyroxine until after blood test on Monday morning. Take Monday evening dose levothyroxine as per normal

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Jhenderson in reply to SlowDragon

I’ve never been told I have Hashimoto’s. I’ve been on medication perhaps 10 years now. Thank you. I was taking hrt the same time as my levothyroxine so I will not take my Levothyroxine at lunch time now.

I’m taking pregncare multi vit and my brand of levothyroxine has been the same for a while now.

I’ve order a full blood thyroid test online and my last blood draw I forgot to go in fasted without taking my medication.

I’m taking hrt in the mornings and at night. When do you think it would be best to take levothyroxine as I think I. We’d to leave a four hour gap.

Thank you for all the information. I feel disappointed in the go practice again for not being away my tsh should be below 2 when ttc especially when they know I’m going for a frozen embryo transfer.

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gabkad in reply to Jhenderson

You were taking levothyroxine with your lunch?

It's supposed to be on an empty stomach.

Maybe try taking it first thing in the a.m.

I was wondering why your TSH is so high with a 125 mcg dose.

Figured you have an absorption problem.

Well, yes if you eat food and take it, for sure.

Hormones are to be taken on an empty stomach as well.

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SlowDragonAdministrator in reply to Jhenderson

Good grief no wonder your TSH was so high

Levothyroxine must always be taken on empty stomach and then nothing apart from water for at least an hour after

No other medication or vitamin supplements at same as Levothyroxine, leave at least 2 hour gap.

Some like iron, calcium, magnesium, HRT or vitamin D should be four hours away. That includes pregnacare multivitamin

(Time gap doesn't apply to Vitamin D mouth spray)

Many people take Levothyroxine soon after waking, but it may be more convenient and perhaps more effective taken at bedtime

verywellhealth.com/best-tim...

Retest FULL Thyroid And vitamin levels 6-8 weeks after changing to taking levothyroxine properly

Need to stop taking any supplements that contain biotin a week before all blood tests

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SlowDragonAdministrator in reply to Jhenderson

TSH must be under 2.5 before conception

Essential to test vitamin levels too

Before even considering TTC levels need to be stable

verywellhealth.com/infertil...

Pregnancy guidelines

thyroiduk.org/having-a-baby-2/

gp-update.co.uk/files/docs/...

See pages 7&8

btf-thyroid.org/Handlers/Do...

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mistydog

Suggest you postpone any transfer until TSH below 2 as it will just cause heartache and likely cause miscarriage which which I'm sure you don't want.

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SlowDragonAdministrator

Strongly recommend you get vitamin levels tested now and thyroid antibodies too

Need to stop any vitamin supplements that contain Biotin a week before ALL BLOOD TESTS as biotin can falsely affect test results

If you have Hashimoto’s, strictly gluten free diet often helps or is absolutely essential

About 90% of primary hypothyroidism is autoimmune thyroid disease (Hashimoto’s)

If antibodies are both negative

Ever had ultrasound scan of thyroid?

20% of Hashimoto's patients never have raised antibodies

healthunlocked.com/thyroidu...

Paul Robson on atrophied thyroid - especially if no TPO antibodies

paulrobinsonthyroid.com/cou...

If you have high antibodies this is Hashimoto's, (also known by medics here in UK more commonly as autoimmune thyroid disease).

Hashimoto's affects the gut and leads to low stomach acid and then low vitamin levels

Low vitamin levels affect Thyroid hormone working

Poor gut function can lead leaky gut (literally holes in gut wall) this can cause food intolerances. Most common by far is gluten. Dairy is second most common.

According to Izabella Wentz the Thyroid Pharmacist approx 5% with Hashimoto's are coeliac, but over 80% find gluten free diet helps, sometimes significantly. Either due to direct gluten intolerance (no test available) or due to leaky gut and gluten causing molecular mimicry (see Amy Myers link)

Changing to a strictly gluten free diet may help reduce symptoms, help gut heal and slowly lower TPO antibodies

While still eating high gluten diet ask GP for coeliac blood test first or buy test online for under £20, just to rule it out first

healthcheckshop.co.uk/store...?

Assuming test is negative you can immediately go on strictly gluten free diet

(If test is positive you will need to remain on high gluten diet until endoscopy, maximum 6 weeks wait officially)

Trying gluten free diet for 3-6 months. If no noticeable improvement then reintroduce gluten and see if symptoms get worse

chriskresser.com/the-gluten...

amymyersmd.com/2018/04/3-re...

thyroidpharmacist.com/artic...

drknews.com/changing-your-d...

restartmed.com/hashimotos-g...

Non Coeliac Gluten sensitivity (NCGS) and autoimmune disease

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/296...

The predominance of Hashimoto thyroiditis represents an interesting finding, since it has been indirectly confirmed by an Italian study, showing that autoimmune thyroid disease is a risk factor for the evolution towards NCGS in a group of patients with minimal duodenal inflammation. On these bases, an autoimmune stigma in NCGS is strongly supported

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/300...

The obtained results suggest that the gluten-free diet may bring clinical benefits to women with autoimmune thyroid disease

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In summary, whereas it is not yet clear whether a gluten free diet can prevent autoimmune diseases, it is worth mentioning that HT patients with or without CD benefit from a diet low in gluten as far as the progression and the potential disease complications are concerned

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Despite the fact that 5-10% of patients have Celiac disease, in my experience and in the experience of many other physicians, at least 80% + of patients with Hashimoto's who go gluten-free notice a reduction in their symptoms almost immediately.

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shawsAdministrator

I'm sorry for your predicament and the following is from Thyroiduk.org.uk

thyroiduk.org/?s=pregnancy&...

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