It’s little wonder we stay sick!

[FancyPants54]

Look at this link. Read the sensible psychiatrist and the damning consultant response. These people are determined to keep us sick for life.

I am already in atrial fibrillation but if I don’t add some T3 I’m going to end up bed ridden. I am starting to hate doctors.

consultant360.com/content/l...

[MikeM46]

Why are you looking at a 2007 document as a matter of interest? How does it relate to you yourself in the here & now?

[FancyPants54 in reply to MikeM46]

Has anything changed in our treatment? I think not.

It relates because I'm having to go it alone to get T3 and use it and that's not right. Never has been and never will be. The lack of understanding from medics is shocking.

[Carlymich]

This is how I fee... right after I take t4 I get so fatigued I can’t lift my head up. Why is this

[FancyPants54 in reply to Carlymich]

You should ask this in a post of your own because it will be lost in here. But I do know what you mean. When I moved up to 75mg Levo a day I felt like you describe. I had to wait until about 4pm when I felt it wearing off and then I'd be back to my normal self for the evening meaning I had to stay at work late every day to get anything done. Now I'm on 125mg Levo I never bounce back. I don't understand what that was about either. I suspect the more T4 I take the less well I convert. But I don't know why that might be. I recently tried to increase to 150 Levo a day and felt worse. When I checked my T3 had gone down.

[penny]

The ‘expert’ is a professor at Harvard but still erroneously says that over-medication with thyroid hormones makes you hyperthyroid - no, it doesn’t it makes you over-medicated.

[annnsandell]

Totally baffled by this reliance on TSH - again.

[FancyPants54 in reply to annnsandell]

It's aways the same.

[Nanaedake]

This is a 2007 article. Levothyroxine has been reviewed since then and changes made to its classification, production and the dissolution tests. So levothyroxine, in the UK at least, is more reliable than prior to 2007 when people may have been alternately and unknowingly over or underdosed due to its unreliable potency.

Neither the psychiatrist or consultant would have known about the problems in levothyroxine production or testing since the results of the review did not emerge until 2012.

[helvella Administrator Thyroid UK in reply to Nanaedake]

The UK levothyroxine report came after all USA makes had been required to apply for approval as if new medicines. Which resulted in at least one make disappearing. And a lot of questioning of bio-equivalence across makes.

I'd be surprised if USA levothyroxine weren't considerably more consistent - with and between makes - since this process. Still many issues...

[FancyPants54 in reply to helvella]

It wasn't the levo part of the argument that bothered me. It's the sensible psychiatrist being fobbed off by the rubbish 'expert'.

[helvella Administrator Thyroid UK in reply to FancyPants54]

Yes, but I was specifically identifying the relationship between the UK and USA regarding levothyroxine earlier this century - as discussed by Nanaedake - and the relevance of 2007 in this area.

In the changes occurred before 2007.

[NWA6]

And yet the psychiatrist is still trying to play god! When these ‘professionals’ begin to use the narrative ‘dosage in accordance with symptoms’ then I’ll start to credit them with an ounce of integrity.

[helvella Administrator Thyroid UK]

Quoting the professor:

Third, non-thyroidal illness, including depression, may suppress serum T3 and free T3 levels

Has anyone established that depression itself can suppress serum T3 and free T3 levels?

Has anyone ever established a diagnosis of depression with certainty there is no organic process going on?

And how would you know it is the depression suppressing T3 levels rather than the suppressed T3 levels causing depression?

[FancyPants54 in reply to helvella]

Exactly. Which came first?

You could try an experiment and give the poor depressed patient some T3 and see how they get on. But that seems to be beyond most doctors.

[nightingale-56 in reply to helvella]

My mood certainly lifted when I started on NDT.

[MissGrace]

— Douglas S. Ross, MD

Associate Professor of Medicine

Harvard Medical School

Cambridge, Mass

Let’s hope he never becomes hypothyroid. Or depressed with low T3. Let’s hope he doesn’t. It would be nasty to hope that he does... 🤸🏿‍♀️🥛

[Angel_of_the_North in reply to MissGrace]

Actually, I hope he does. I am nasty.

[NWA6 in reply to Angel_of_the_North]

Lol I was thinking the same!! Let’s hope he does!!