COVID is over in Sweden

[Rapunzel]

drmalcolmkendrick.org/2020/... another important post from one of Dr Kendrick's cohort

[jimh111]

statista.com/statistics/111...

[Rapunzel in reply to jimh111]

From The London Times:

In Britain there are 69 cases per 100,000 people compared to just 28 for every 100,000 in Sweden which did not implement stringent lockdown measures this spring.

[jimh111 in reply to Rapunzel]

Need to compare like with like, countries with similar ethnicity and population density. The UK is a world transport and business hub. We don't know how bad the UK would have been without a lockdown but we did see the figures rising before we locked down. It's a difficult call but not taking precautions could lead to millions of lives lost, better to play safe.

[Marz in reply to jimh111]

lockdownsceptics.org/lies-d...

This is what we are up against ... the link was taken from one of the Replies on the link posted above ...

[helvella Administrator Thyroid UK in reply to Rapunzel]

Which raises questions over the herd immunity now claimed to exist in Sweden.

The lower the infection rate, the longer it would take to reach any specified level of infection which would result in herd immunity.

The death rate (e.g. per 100,000) in Sweden isn't nearly as far below that in, say, the UK as we might wish to think.

At present, I suggest it is too early to call Sweden a success. Though not too early to say that the UK has been pretty disastrous.

[Cooper27 in reply to helvella]

You've put it well.

Sweden is brought up a lot by those who oppose lockdown, and their results are noteworthy, but we still can't say for sure whose strategy works best.

Having a look at Statista it does appear that Sweden had a 2 week period where they only identified around 4 or 5 cases per day, which seems significant (which is why I was so curious about the date of the article below). If written during that period, I can see why the doctor thought it had been eradicated, but it's now back around the 300/day mark.

[Angel_of_the_North in reply to helvella]

Cases just mean people who have tested positive, not people who are ill. And we don't know how many cycles they are using in a test whose inventor said was no good for diagnosing disease. Is it really worth giving up parliamentary democracy for this?

[Cooper27]

Does the article have a date? I can't open on a computer, but no date is appearing on my phone.

[Rapunzel in reply to Cooper27]

thetimes.co.uk/article/swed...

Today

[RedApple Administrator in reply to Cooper27]

Cooper27, At the bottom of the Kendrick article it states:

This entry was posted in COVID-19 on September 21, 2020.

[Cooper27 in reply to RedApple]

It doesn't state that on my mobile's version... I did look before I asked

[RedApple Administrator in reply to Cooper27]

No it doesn't show it on my phone either, but it's there in my laptop browser

[Cooper27 in reply to RedApple]

Unfortunately I was on my work computer, and they love blocking websites

[userotc]

Actually I understand Sweden has performed worse than other Nordic countries per capita. Probably because the others imposed a lockdown. But all better than the UK.

Nordic countries top the global health league so there's the likely answer despite other factors in play.

Strengthen immune systems and follow the contact measures is a far better strategy than the UK Government's of "hide and await vaccine" imo.

[penny]

I am a follower of Dr Kendrick and read this piece.

I think that one has to take population density into account and Sweden’s is 25/km2; whereas England is 432/km2, according to my search on the internet. This makes the Covid-19 figures for Sweden not so good. What the comparative collateral damage of lock-down is, comparatively, one doesn’t know. Dr Kendrick also takes issue with the word ‘case’ in connection to coronavirus as a ‘case’, according to medical text, is an admission to hospital as opposed to an infection or past infection. It will be interesting to compare the death rates in this ‘second wave’ as opposed to infection rates. (Awful to be looking at lives as statistics but no help for it.)

Time will tell, of course.

[Angel_of_the_North]

There was a picture in one of the main newspapers today or yesterday (perhaps the Times) of people out shopping in Stockholm (which has a lot of population) - all looked like it used to here. No masks, no distancing. I'd take that any time over loss of jobs, being scared of my neighbours, being unable to get a doctor's appointment or proper treatment and the inevitable tax rises to pay for the mess in this country. For nothing! If any of it worked, the virus would have already gone - it's been 6 months. I can't see any logic to the lockdown regulations or any real scientific backing for any of it. it seems that, whatever a country or state did, the graph of deaths was pretty much the same and really, now that we go into Autumn, we'd expect more people with coughs and colds - it happens every year. It's not the bubonic plague and not worth disrupting everyone's lives for - especially as no one will do a decent trade deal with us now we've broken international law so we'll soon be a third word county without this economic crash. I'd try a "sweden" any time rather than this

[penny in reply to Angel_of_the_North]

I have heard that the EU breaks international law on many occasions and nothing negative happens.