My grandmother was a vet and she gave us a talk once called 'magic medicine.'
' I have operated on animals in all kinds of conditions, literally in pigs sty's sometimes and I have never been called back in see to an infection. I scrub my hands, lay out a sheet and my instruments have been boiled since the last time I used them. I dont have time to re boil them when I am called out. When I operate the area is teeming with bacteria and I think bodies human or animal cope very well with bacteria and that scientifically there is no need for operating theatres in hospitals to be sterile but I would very very upset if one of my grandchildren was operated on in the theatre that was not properly cleaned to current hospital standards and if it was not properly cleaned I would expect something to go wrong, maybe an infection or incident because carelessness breeds disease. The healing comes because we show we care and what ever else we do is a bit irrelevant in a way. We have to stick to good current practice because that is the most careful thing to do. She then got out 9 milk bottles and filled them with water and added a codeine tablet to one of those bottles. She had been studying homeopathy. Doctors will tell you that homeopathy doesn't work because the substances are too dilute. Well I have done the maths and there isn't much difference, if any, considering there is much more to a human body than just nine pints of blood between the dilution of tablets given out by your GP and those given out by a homeopathist. Homeopathy is better because it does no harm and more care is given in the prescribing. It is white magic but modern medicine tends not to be. It is black magic most of the time but the interesting thing is animals dont seem to suffer all the side effects and problems with medications that humans do. I think that has something to do with karma and the way medications are made.
I would love to do the nine pints of water trick to a group of GPs but I dont think I would make any freinds. Not entirely thyroid related but I think interesting. I keep having these moments of enlightenment of realising that showing care and kindness is key to all our healing.
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She put one tablet in one of the milk bottles, full of water. Each bottle represented a pint of blood, the human body depending on size has an average of nine pints. It was a visual demonstration of how dilute medication is in the body and of course we have loads of fluid than just blood. Tablets cannot rationally be having any real scientific effect because they are so dilute. It is placebo, magic etc but not science that makes our tablets work.
By the same token, I assume, things like fluoride in water cannot possibly affect the thyroid?
If we consider a high dose of fluoride in water such as 1.5 milligrams per litre, and a large water consumption in a day which might be 10 litres, that would be 15 milligrams per day. And there are several standard products containing 15 milligrams of codeine phosphate per tablet.
So, possibly, milligram for milligram, the same intake yet we have loads of posts saying fluoride is the devil's own poison re the thyroid. And your example appears to suggest that the same intake of codeine cannot do anything?
It is the lack of care that harms us re fluoride. It is carelessly dumped in our water supply based on fake science that it helps teeth by people who do not give a monkeys about us. So yes it will cause harm and a lot of it according to this theory.
Which doesn't seem to cover situations in which the local water supply naturally contains high levels of fluoride.
Nor does it make sense to me that the level of caring can be any indication. For a start, we have little idea how much caring went in - some might have simply been wrong despite caring. And that would appear to cover anything given to someone with the very best of motives. Even if it is something intolerable to the recipient.
I dont have all the answers just an interesting idea passed down. I suppose re well meaning people making the decision to add fluoride it is mass medication and a huge responsibility so the best of motives would mean months of looking at the studys and reasurch, knowing the substance inside out and its effect on both humans and animals. If people are well meaning they have not been careful enough before throwing their weight behind a decisions that affects thousands. Acting in ignorance is not caring even if you mean no harm.
I will look up naturally high fluoride levels. I wonder if humans have been careless in their choice of where to live in someway.
"The healing comes because we show we care and what ever else we do is a bit irrelevant in a way."
In the past people who had hypothyroidism died but when NDT was introduced in 1892 from then on people survived.
With regard to doctors knowing and recognising symptoms of several conditions that's what they used to do i.e. listen to their patients and take note of their clinical symptoms no blood tests were available then. So the doctor gave them NDT and, if patient felt an improvement, small increases until patient felt well. No blood tests were needed as doctor treated the disabling symptoms.
For conditions of the failure of the thyroid gland, all doctors recognised those patients who were hypo and gave NDT alone (natural dessicated thyroid hormones). No blood tests. Small increases were given until symptoms were relieved.
Now, in UK, doctors have been told not to prescribe levothyroxine until the TSH is 10 and no thought given to the patients' disabling symptoms and may be unable to go to work.
Even in these 'modern times' many members have improved their symptoms by sourcing their own NDT. The pity is that this important 'option' was removed from the NHS through False Statements made about it, despite thousands of patients recovering on NDT from 1892 onwards and now forced, if they can afford it, to source their own.
One of Thyroiduk's Advisers wrote a Rebuttal to the Association and despite three yearly reminders before his accidental death, they never did respond.
There appears to be no consideration about doing everything to help patients be symptom-free so that they can continue a 'normal, healthy life, and be able to thrive. For those who are very unwell on levothyroxine which, as we know is T4 alone, we used to have options, i.e. T3 added to T4, T3 alone or NDT.
It would be good to do a survey of hypothyroid patients and the 'extra prescriptions' given to try to alleviate disabling symptoms and the cost plus consultations and, obviously, if patients are unable to work or are dismissed - there's no cost that can be put on that. I also know of one woman who prepared her last letter for the coroner to read of the reason. I assume she was hopeful it would be published but I doubt it was.
How many appointments to GP or Endo might not be required so often if patient feels well on their thyroid hormone replacements.
For those who do well on levothyroxine and thousands seem to do but there are others who are more unwell on it than before diagnosis (I'm one).
Many researchers have proven that a combination of T3/T4 improves many patients well-being but as T3 is also withdrawn now there's little possibility for many sufferers.
Yes and the biggest problem with thyroid treatment is that on mass the medical profession do not care, they do not listen, or educate themselves, they try to make is as easy and as unchallenging as possible, they dont like us, often just because we are fat and they dont care if we suffer or die. I bet a dose of levo from Dr Skinner was ten times more affective than from the crud we are left with in terms of doctors.
Dr S (RIP) who is sadly missed by many for his no-nonsense attitude and prescribing what suited the patients. Since his demise, his staff have worked to collate all of their scientific evidence. They were hoping to publish this when they had sufficient monies. I don't know if they reached their target. I should imagine they'd advise us if they had.
The fact that the BTA removed NDT (along with False Statements in order to do so) never did respond to Dr Lowe even though he requested a response for three years before his accidental death.
We also are aware that some of the members on this forum have recovered their health on NDT which, again, is another replacement hormone removed from prescribing on the NHS. What cost to the NHS with people being denied options which could bring relief and recovering - never mind how their families will be happy/relieved that there's no suffering any more.
The care the vets have shown to my animals and the care the medical profession has shown to me are light years apart.
A neighbours cat was showing signs of thyroid problems. The vet took a full blood panel including T3 and the cat was diagnosed and treatment started within 2 days. I bet none of us can say that!
Dare I say it is because you are paying them. My cats have also always had excellent care. One of my relative's cats is diabetic and it is costing her a fortune but what choice does she have other than to pay for the treatment.
We pay the doctors, just not directly. And there are those of us who have paid to see a Consultant have not had good treatment either, but I take your point.
The problem is that we dont pay them, we pay the government who then pays them whether they provide a good service or not. If we paid them directly, they would want us to come back and be keen to work with us to provide a good service. I used to be a socialist but as I have got older and had more and more experince of state services I have become very disillusioned. I dont vote anymore and have become an anarchist into subsidiarity. GP services in particular have done me far more harm than good over the years infact at times I am not sure of they have ever helped me with anything really.
I really like your post mandyjane, however, I really want to point out that animals often suffer without us, even the best vets, being able to see any symptoms. Think for instance of period pains, sore throats, chest infections, gastric ulcers. Horses often have gastric ulcers because of the way they are fed. My daughter is a vet and sometimes she finds a horse has pneumonia by doing a tracheal wash even when there are no symptoms a human can see. Others will be able to think of more examples.
Someone smarter than me, a horse trainer, once observed about some other trainers' methods: "it's a good thing they are covered with fur otherwise we'd be able to see all the bruising" and there we go again, we can't see our animals' bruises.
I hope you know I'm just opening this out for thought and discussion, I really do like your post and your thoughts, and hope you like the idea of expanding them further.
animals are incredibly stoical arnt they. I think hiding pain/ discomfort is protective in the natural world otherwise you become vunerable prey. I dont think my grandmother was trying to deny that they suffer and it maybe that they were getting side effects to medication that was not seen but for example animals have chemo these days and seem to tolerate much better than humans, they dont do all the vomiting and hair falling out etc and that might be due to the type of chemo but it might be on a spiritual level that humans suffer badly as a result of all kinds of medication because of the way we have exploited other animal to produce the drugs.
My grandmother did this strange thing with us when I was little. She took me and my brother down to visit the pigs at the bottom of the lane and was talking to us about their body language and then she said 'now you start to imagine what the pigs are saying and we see if we imagine the same thing'. So I was watching the pigs and then imagining the male pig was moaning and complaining, 'A pig has needs, you know and this is this is the first time I have been allowed in with my wife for months and the female pig was just laughing as he moaned'. I was only about 6 so I dont think I could have thought it up. Then my gran said 'have you heard im' and we said 'yes' then she called the farmer over who was her brother and said, 'Could those too pigs stay together from now on. The female pigs back legs are starting to suffer I would like to think they could they could be in the same stye until the end' and then too us 'did I get im right' She belived that animals could understand everything that was said to them, that you could hear them talk and if they appeared not to understand they were just taking the piss and not wanting to let on.
That's a great story, especially about the animals taking the piss when they pretend not to understand. I had a wonderful horse who seemed to know what I was thinking, he would do exactly what I was about to ask him to do in the instant before I asked, it was astonishing. I wondered if perhaps animals communicate with mind pictures or something and if he was reading mine. I could ride him out on the roads and everywhere bareback and with just a rope halter on.
I have a fluffy dog, an elderly cat and three little girl rats. They are all taking the piss. I think animal can read our minds because they are so good at non verbal communication and humans think the important communication is verbal but it isn't. Your horse sounded amazing and must have really trusted you. I wonder if it used to get into trouble with other horses or animals for not hiding how clever it was.
I love the sound of your animals, and I agree with you about non-verbal communication. My horse was amazing but I don't think horses ever trust us ... we are too slow! He was very good-natured and the favourite of the other horses though we worried about him when he first came. He kept apart from the others, it took about a week before he integrated and it was very much only when invited. After that they all looked to him as leader.
Wouldn't it be lovely if we could all get together somewhere surrounded by animals and live among them naturally?
Or, on reflection, perhaps I don't hope you are right .... what awful karma might be due back to me because we all do or say things we wish we hadn't sometimes.
I have always been able to "talk" to horses and it came as a huge surprise that others could not. The communication is fast and furious in some, and it can be difficult to keep up. I dont "hear" anything, it is just in my brain. Difficult to explain. I used to be able to talk cow, but it is a while since I had cows and I am now rusty in that, but I do speak fluent pig. I have had long chats with pigs, sitting quietly with them and feel very privileged. They are very intelligent animals, and I have been outfoxed on many occasions.
I have talked to snakes. my grandmother unfortunatly started a war with the local adders and I tried to broker a peace deal but it was no good, they only wanted revenge. My grandmother was convinced that they wanted to kill three of her grandchildren as she once killed three baby snakes in a panic. I remember telling a snake that it didnt want my elder brother because he was nasty and a bully, that my younger brothers was ill and kept sucking his thumb and that I wasn't to be killed because I was afraid of snakes and had proper respect for them. The snake slithered off saying 'I dont want duffers' which then led to a discussion in the family as to whether the snakes had read 'swallows and amazons' and the discovery after phone calls that one of my aunts who lived about five miles from my grandmother had been reading it too her kids the week before.
I think pigs are our equals and shouldn't be eaten or kept on farms, they should be allowed to go back to being wild boar. Cows I think in a way, its their purpose to provide food and live on farms. My gran used to provide end of life care to all the animals locally as she did not like them going off to the slaughter houses but she hated killing the pigs and used to get quite upset if the pigs were upset about it. For some reason I do not understand horses. I cant read them like I can most other creatures, they are a mystery to me.
Ah cows, I used to love cows and be able to 'hear' them, but since promising a friend would be safe taking the short route home through a field of cows - and finding myself in the middle of the field with a horned bull trundling purposefully towards me I've lost it. I think fear now overrides my ability to be mentally quiet and hear. I'm sure the bull would have been simply curious and fine if I'd just kept walking calmly but I felt obliged to face the bull to protect my friend, who very sensibly ran and squeezed herself through a barbed wire fence. I was really scared with the bull and cows following me all the way to the other side of the field but they did us no harm and I'm sure had no such thoughts.
It can be very spooky when a heard of cows silently follow you but apparently they only do so because they are expecting to be milked. Unless they are taking the piss and like to wind up humans.
Ah Serenfach I like your post and you've highlighted why most humans don't see the 3 warnings horses give us before doing anything like kicking, biting or bucking, our brains are comparatively slow. Interesting that it's not pictures for you then, but something else. I learn most visually and by touch but not well hearing/reading, how about you? I'm wondering if that makes a difference to what we pick u from animals.
I do get quite a bit from the body language, but it is more than that. Without thinking about it I just know, if that makes sense.
Most animals will react positively if you just gently huff at them. Pigs greet friends with a huff so by huffing, it means "hello friend". If you hear a pig bark like a dog, back off!
A bull in a field is probably very gentle, or the farmer would not have him out. Cows are curious but do not understand their own strength. Nearly all cow attacks are because there is a dog, so let go of the dog, it can run faster than cows and will escape, leaving you to get out of the field.
There are many "old" cures that work, like hanging a male holly bush in a cow shed to prevent ringworm.
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