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Indefinite antithyroid drug therapy in toxic Graves’ disease: What are the cons

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Whilst I don't agree especially with the cost effectiveness bits comparing ATD therapy to RAI or TT, this piece is chocked full of details about ATD, RAI, TT. Worth a read since many of us always wonder how long we can go on with Graves on ATD therapy.

I highlight below, the parts pertaining to ATD therapy.

The goals of treatment in Graves’ disease have been an efficient control of symptoms, restoration of euthyroidism, with least adverse effects ...

Most treated patients in Graves’ disease eventually go on to develop hypothyroidism regardless of the treatment modality used.

This awareness of inevitable hypothyroidism with Graves’ disease has led to a change in the objective of treatment. Previously, therapies were selected with the goal of achieving euthyroidism. Instead, hypothyroidism is now the goal of treatment, to ensure that hyperthyroidism does not recur.

The ATDs used belonged to thionamide class and includes methimazole (MMI), carbimazole, and propylthiouracil (PTU).

Maximum clinical response occurs after a latent period of 4-6 weeks and ATD therapy should be continued for a period of 12-18 months after achieving euthyroidism.

A major clinical drawback of ATD therapy is the high rate of relapse seen after discontinuation of therapy.

Irrespective of the treatment duration, the best long-term remission rate achieved with the use of these drugs alone is about 40-50%.[2,3] These rates are even lower in children's, men, older patients, smokers, those with large goiters, and more active disease.

Prolonged drug therapy has not been shown to increase the likelihood of lasting remission. (Questionable)

No difference in remission rates have been seen in subjects treated with for 24 versus 12 months[4] or 42 versus 18 months.[2]

Weetman reviewed prospective trials comparing different duration of treatment and showed that remission rates are not improved with ATD therapy beyond 18 months in adults.[5]

In cases of relapse with an ATD, there is little chance that a second course of treatment will resul t in permanent remission.

High recurrence rate seen with ATD therapy necessitates prolonged ATD therapy, which decreases the cost-effectiveness of therapy because of the need of repeated clinic visits, thyroid function testing, and cost of drug.

These factors promote poor drug compliance, especially in children who need prolonged ATD therapy.

Recurrent untreated hyperthyroidism causes deterioration in the quality of life and may increase morbidity particularly in the elderly who are at risk for conditions like atrial fibrillation.

Hence, need arises of more definitive treatment modalities for toxic Graves’ disease that are focused on “cure” of the disease and create a stable situation earlier in the course of therapy.

Not only this, use of ATD therapy has been associated with various side effects.

Mild side effects, occurring in 20% of the patients, include: Skin reactions, arthralgias, gastrointestinal symptoms, abnormal sense of taste, and occasional sialadenitis.

The serious side effects include agranulocytosis, fulminant hepatic necrosis, and antineutrophil cytoplasmic antibody (ANCA) positive vasculitis; and these can happen anytime during the course of therapy.

Agranulocytosis occurs in 0.1-0.3% of patients and elderly patients and those at higher doses are at higher risk.

Discontinuation of therapy is needed if symptoms such as fever, sore throat or mouth ulcers should develop or absolute neutrophil count falls to less than 1,500 cell/μl.[8]

PTU has been associated with fulminant hepatic necrosis and is the third most common cause of drug related liver failure, accounting for 10% of the entire drug related liver transplantations. The hepatotoxic drug effect can continue despite drug discontinuation and can be fatal.

Vasculitis positive for ANCAs has also been reported as a rare complication of PTU use.[10]

MMI is associated with cholestasis rather than hepatic necrosis.

Steven-Johnson syndrome is another life-threatening complication observed with MMI use in children.

Many times hyperthyroid subjects taking ATDs conceive and then issue of teratogenicity with the use of ATDs during pregnancy comes.

MMI has been associated with aplasia cutis, a localized defect of the skin on the vertex of the scalp and with other congenital anomalies such as esophageal and choanal atresia.[11]

PTU is therefore preferred over MMI or carbimazole during pregnancy.

High doses of PTU in pregnant women, on the other hand expose the fetus to the risk of fetal hypothyroidism.[12]

Examination of 31 cohort studies identified adverse effects of ATDs in 692/5,136 (13%) patients. These were more common with MMI, mainly owing to dermatologic complications, while hepatic effects were more common with PTU use.

In conclusion, the high relapse rate and not so rare fatal side effects seen with ATD therapy compel us to consider other definite modes of treatment for toxic Graves’ disease.

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Thank you for posting. As someone who has chosen long term ATD treatment I found articles like this helpfull. For anyone else looking for info before deciding between ATD /RAI/ Thyroidectomy another useful paper is

karger.com/Article/FullText...

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ling in reply toasiatic

You are most welcome : )

It always bothers me where this disease is headed

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Greekchick

Hi ling:

Thanks for posting this. As you know, I was on MM for 2 years before I became resistant to it. I did not even get to a hypo state because I was on a very low dose and well controlled until I became resistant to it, and then needed surgery for the goiter. But it is interesting to read it as I am always "in learning mode"! I hope you are doing better and getting some time for yourself. Wishing you well!

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ling in reply toGreekchick

Hi dear, glad to see you are doing well

: ) ya, this disease can be so unpredictable as one goes longer into it

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Valarian

As I’ve just said to @Ginger-bread on another thread, if we don’t achieve remission, it’s really a question of trying to work out what the least worst option is, there doesn’t seem to be a good one !

I thought there were some positive points, particularly for those who aren’t currently getting ‘best practice’ treatment - eg TRAB testing at an early stage, to differentiate between Graves’ and other causes, and regular TSH, FT3 and FT4 tests (every six weeks until thyroid levels are within range, then every three months). I know some people here haven’t been getting this.

It’s perhaps less encouraging that they suggest offering definitive treatment from the outset to those research shows are unlikely to achieve remission. However, to balance this, they are recommending more research into the long-term effects of RAI (not before time !) and the benefits of tailored dosage of RAI as opposed to the fixed dosage currently typical within the UK.

It’s also worrying that in the proposals for hypoactive management, (unless I’ve missed it) they don’t seem to have distinguished between those whose condition is due to Hashi’s, and those who have had their thyroids destroyed or surgically removed.

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ling in reply toValarian

"if we don’t achieve remission, it’s really a question of trying to work out what the least worst option is, there doesn’t seem to be a good one !"

That's very aptly put Valerian.

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Zahrazori in reply toling

I have been reading the Apitope site and they are in the process of curing this disease

Have you heard about this?

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ling in reply toZahrazori

Yes, a forummer brought it to my attention a while back.

"Curing"? Man, I sure hope so. But how different can this be from

immunosuppressants?

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Zahrazori in reply toling

I’m not sure what u mean by immunosuppressants?

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Immunosuppressant drugs are a class of drugs that suppress, or reduce, the strength of the body’s immune system.

Immunosuppressant drugs carry the serious risk of infection. When an immunosuppressant drug weakens your immune system, your body becomes less resistant to infection. That means they make you more likely to get infections. It also means that any infections get will be harder to treat.

healthline.com/health/immun...

If I had to weigh using an immunosuppressant type medicine to get rid of my Graves, I might not do it.

Carbimazole is known to be immunosuppressive and can bring down TRAb levels. I would love something similar but could also help with remission. Currently carbimazole doesn't do that for 50-70% of Graves patients.

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Zahrazori in reply toling

Wow I didn’t knw this

Is this new cure they are doing at Apitope immunosuppressant?

I really am not a cleaver person so I wouldn’t knw have u read on there Apitope sight of it is if u do find out pls let me knw

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ling in reply toZahrazori

I will : )

You take care.

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Zahrazori in reply toling

Thank you

You too : )

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Greekchick in reply toZahrazori

Yes it is an immunosuppressant specific to the Graves antigen. Here’s the link with a link to the clinical trial:

apitope.com/apitope-announc...

Hope this helps.

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Zahrazori in reply toGreekchick

Does this mean it isn’t good

I dont understand all the information in the link

Do you think it is good

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Greekchick in reply toZahrazori

Hi Zahrazori,

The study was very small scale (12 subjects all female) and it was not compared to existing therapy (methimazole or carbimazole, which are the current drugs used to treat Graves).

The results were positive in 7 out of 10 subjects, with few side effects. However, this is a small scale early trial, and much more information is needed before declaring this an appropriate therapy for Graves patients.

It is hopeful information however!

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Zahrazori in reply toGreekchick

Hello and thank you for your reply I am praying every day to god that some form of cure can be available

We have some hope then with this new therapy I wish u all the best and will also pray for u too

I promise I will pray for u too

Take care my friend

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Greekchick in reply toZahrazori

You too - sending prayers your way 🙏🏻

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Zahrazori in reply toGreekchick

Thank you very much x

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tgirlnc

There is a lot to unpack in this entire thread and I plan to come back and read through it...but wanted to just add to it. With that said, I have been in remission now for a year after being on ATDs since 2011. I was pushed RAI 3 months into treatment in 2011 because my levels weren't normal (eye roll). I mercifully did research and absolutely refused RAI....turns out I felt terrible because their dosing was very very wrong. There is research out there (i will try to dig it up but I believe Elaine Moore covers it on her site) that extended use of ATDs can usually get people to remission in 5-8 yrs if you manage your autoimmune disease. I highly suggest anyone with Graves to read and be active on Elaine Moore's website. There is an invaluable amount of information about managing Graves. The current modalities of treatment are incredibly outdated and were created by drug companies in conjunction with Endos...which btw keep both in business..'remove the thyroid-be on meds for life as hypo'..not exactly healing people, is it. If one isn't managing their autoimmune disease, the ATDs will only manage symptoms..which then usually leads to the thyroid burn-out then moving to the other side of the spectrum into Hashi..which...then you still have autoimmune. I am new to the UK health system in past few years and I force (literally do not stop) when I ask for blood work. I tell them I want TSH, FT4, FT3..(I get eye rolls at the FT3..which is uneducated)..furthermore it is criminal that they don't do RT3..which is standard in the US. Bottom-line adopting an autoimmune health protocol (diet and supplements) and taking ATDs (if tolerated) and no signs of pre-cancer/cancer..can very much get you to remission and feeling well. There is absolutely no reason for RAI if you can tolerate meds. Furthermore, I am shocked that doctors here have zero clue that a person needs to be in mid-high range of FT4 and mid-upper range of FT3 to feel 'good'....regardless of TSH. (I know many of you may know these things..but I am also writing this down as it may be beneficial for anyone new coming to the site)...as my first endo appointment, they asked me if I have considered RAI..I nearly came across the desk. lol

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Ps. You may be interested in this article, shared by forummer Coconutty.

Long-Term Antithyroid Drug Treatment of Patients With Graves’ Disease

liebertpub.com/doi/10.1089/...

Best regards.

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ling

Thanks for sharing. Congratulations on being in remission.

"turns out I felt terrible because their dosing was very very wrong. "

Could you share more on this?

Also, just to point out two things.

1) "the ATDs will only manage symptoms."

That's not totally correct. Meds like beta blockers only manage symptoms. ATDs have immunomodulating properties that serve to bring down TRAb antibodies levels.

2) "then moving to the other side of the spectrum into Hashi".

Hashis is not my area, but I don't think one goes from Graves to Hashis when the thyroid burns out. Most become hypo yes, but to have Hashis, one must have the antibodies to show for it. Otherwise, one is just plain hypo. Is this not correct?

Cheers.

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