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Stalk of the town: the shaky science behind the 'global celery movement'

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Surprised it has taken so long to see a mainstream article on this person:

Stalk of the town: the shaky science behind the 'global celery movement'

Anthony William, who calls himself the Medical Medium, preaches the juice’s ‘healing powers’ as sales of the vegetable jump 400% – despite having no medical training

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NatChap profile image
NatChap

Can't stand the stuff!

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MaisieGray

"This is the kind of goopshit that makes it harder for doctors to care for patients and can actually kill people.” Exactly. Why give this self-aggrandising dangerous snake oil seller more opportunity to make money and inflate his ego off the back of deluded and/or desperate people, by giving him newspaper space to repeat his claims.

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Anniewoz1

I really like celery but to drink it’s juice ..... nope !

Isn’t it worrying that people, so easily, believe this (goopshit) usually on the back of celebrity endorsement!

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FancyPants54 in reply to Anniewoz1

Celery is in regular use in my home. My husband is a keen amateur chef and cooks everything we eat. Celery is a major component of standard maison plas, a mix of finely diced celery, carrot, probably onion and maybe other stuff. It's the base of many of the meals he makes that need a flavourful base. That's what celery is for. Not attributing miracles to the humble vegetable.

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Treepie

celery is very good dipped in salt and with cheese. Not sure why this quack keeps getting publicity here

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helvellaAdministratorThyroid UK in reply to Treepie

I rather thought this was very negative publicity.

I certainly have a very low opinion of him.

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RockyPath

Throwing some stalks in the blender and hoping for success is a lot less effort than the journey of thyroid hormone replacement, with its parallel challenges of becoming a student of thyroid, while acting as one's own legal advocate and medical director.

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NWA6

Dammit! Now I’m curious! I saw his book on Amazon and discounted it because I’m an atheist ect ect but I AM now curious because sometimes when people say it’s they have a ‘power’ or ‘God’ is working through them ect ect I like to try and understand where they’re coming from. I think it’s important to debunk these types of people but only after we’ve read and understood. You can’t just ignore these types of people if they’re already gaining notoriety.

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helvellaAdministratorThyroid UK in reply to NWA6

My view is that he is coming from the school of snake oil salesmen.

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SilverAvocado in reply to NWA6

I know he's been mentioned on the forum quite a few times, often favourably by people who've read his book, so you could have a search and see what you see :p

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NWA6 in reply to SilverAvocado

Uh 😩 it’s like falling down a rabbit hole! I’m not up for this in my Hypo state, I’ll have to leave it alone 😬

in reply to NWA6

Mediumship and other occult practices (even if genuine which it probably isn't in this case) are forbidden by God anyway!

This celery juice thing was first touted in the 1970s as far as I can remember, then someone must have found an old article and put it on the Web a few years ago. It was outed as rubbish then, but someone obviously found it again towards the back end of last year and, round we go again. Celery is quite good for you (like many veg) in that it contains plenty of folate, and is a diuretic so might be good for kidneys or BP. It's supposed to be low in sodium, but I always find it tastes really salty (especially when juiced).

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helvellaAdministratorThyroid UK

Just in case you are unaware, although fairly rare in the UK, allergy to celery (and celeriac) is significant and potentially dangerous.

anaphylaxis.org.uk/wp-conte...

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Cooper27

I saw someone sharing his latest blog post about celery juice a few weeks ago... Each to their own, but it's not for me!

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FancyPants54

I know a woman in the US who is a dedicated disciple of this bloke and his miraculous cures for chronic pain, autoimmune and other issues. She drinks gallons of celery juice and other horrible stuff that he expounds.

He sounds like a complete quack to me and her slavish following is cult-like and typical of a certain type of American in my mind.

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Hpbr

No way would I buy into this total rot. I can be as gullible as the next person, but this one is bonkers.

I don't mind celery but juicing it and drinking it as a cure. Nope, nope, nopity nope. I'll stick in soup, casseroles and salad and that's as far as it goes.

Medical medium ... possibly more accurately "made up medicine by unqualified person persuading you to part with your cash, backed up by no validated evidence who possibly may be hallucinating"

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NWA6 in reply to Hpbr

‘’ made up medicine by unqualified person persuading you to part with your cash, backed up by no validated evidence who possibly may be hallucinating’’

I burst out laughing when I read this, not in a mocking way but I couldn’t help but think ‘I’m pretty sure this is what my GP thinks of me!’ 😂

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SilverAvocado in reply to NWA6

Hehe, I laughed too!

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TSH110

I was interested to read in the links that EBV (he had some astonishing things to say about the virus) is associated with Burkitts lymphoma but not thyroid lymphoma. One close relative has died of Burkitts lymphoma, one has died of thyroid lymphoma and another has survived thyroid lymphoma. Another died of cancer of the spleen which sounds a bit lymphatically related to me. I was told after tests that I was genetically predisposed to lymphoma but I can’t put my survival down to celery juice! I like it a la Treepie or in a stew but I won’t be drinking gallons of it any time soon. I would not dismiss ideas because the person espousing them was not medically qualified if I though they had merit and I would dismiss ideas from a medically qualified person if I thought they were nonsense. Qualifications can be a good guide but they are not infallible. In this case I have my salt cellar to the ready for my next celery stick! People are indeed gullible.

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NWA6 in reply to TSH110

Are they gullible or just trying their best when the science isn’t there yet?

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TSH110 in reply to NWA6

Perhaps it is a reaction to conventional science and suspicion of modern synthetic medicines with their linkage to chemicals - that may cure or do great harm. I also think many people want more self determination via a proactive approach in looking after themselves and feel powerless in the face of the health care system, and don’t want to be pawns in the big Pharma game. We must remember the US system is not like the NHS (yet) and a miracle health drink to ward off illness must seem super attractive and worth a try. One could argue we survived as a species for millions of years without modern medicine so we must possess innate survival skills including dealing with some illness along the way. Plants have always been used for medicinal purposes which contain chemicals so this approach taps in to something much deeper in our make up. Even a part of me sympathises with it. I was more concerned about the thyroid cancer stuff than glugging celery juice. Modern medicine could not save the majority of my relatives with lymphoma but one has survived it - I can’t imagine drinking celery juice would have had a similar result. I’d be long dead without thyroid hormone therapy too along with a fair few relatives. Modern medicine is not all bad but you are right that it does not have all the answers.

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NWA6 in reply to TSH110

Very well put 🤗 probably very similar to my own thoughts. I think there’s a balance to be struck here.

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t3rr

I have almost finished his book, can make several connections with other complaints suffered along the way to being diagnosed with hypothyroidism, too many in fact for me not to feel he may have "something", I hate celery and did try it, at the time my grandson tried the juice as prescribed, cleared up his acne!! but I gave up, interestingly have a new doctor and discussed the book with him, he has just arranged for me to have a blood test for the epstein barr virus, having taken into account the mentioned ailments I suffered from in the past.. Will be interesting to get the result next week.

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Assiya in reply to t3rr

Hello t3rr, how you ve been, how were the results?

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