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Distinguishing different responses to thyroid hormone medication in a group of patients on T4 only

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We have studed in detail a group of patients repeatedly presenting over several years, on T4 only. Some of these complained of hypothyroid symptoms and some of hyper symptoms.What we wanted to find out is, how different are the complainers in each group different from those who were satisfied on T4 only. What seems to be the case is that, as we thought the response regarding FT3 production by conversion is detectably different in the subgroups from the rest. This is probably the first longterm analysis of a patient panel which divides patients into groups with different responses to an ongoing standardised T4 treatment. The idea is to present this study as a first step to the proper divising of clinical trials in future, recognising that a random panel of patients cannot be simply put together in one group, but must be first stratified according to their response to therapy. In this way those dissatisfied with T4 only could be identified in advance as probably needing more than T4 mono therapy. For your interest I present the abstract. It is of course rather complex, as the subject matter is. No guarantee of publication of course but if it is accepted it will be in Frontiers in Thyroid Endocrinology sometime later this year:

Background: For significant numbers of patients dissatisfied on standard levothyroxine (LT4) treatment for hypothyroidism, patient-specific treatment responses to levothyroxine could play a significant role.

Aim: To assess response heterogeneity to LT4 treatment, identifying confounders and hidden clusters within a patient panel, we performed a secondary analysis using a prospective cross-sectional and retrospective longitudinal study.

Methods: Multivariate and multivariable linear models adjusted for confounders (gender, age and BMI) were stratified by disease-specific treatment indication. During follow-up, pooled observations were compared from the same patient presenting either with or without self-reported symptoms. Statistical analysis was extended to multilevel models to derive intra-class correlation coefficients and reliability measures during follow-up.

Results: Equilibria between TSH, FT4 and FT3 serum concentrations in 342 patients were related to treatment indication (benign goitre, autoimmune thyroiditis, thyroid carcinoma), displaying complex interactive response patterns. 77 patients treated with LT4 and monitored for thyroid carcinoma presented, in association with changes in LT4 dose, either with hypothyroid symptoms or symptom-free. Significant biochemical differences appeared between the different presentations. Levelled trajectories by subject to relief from hypothyroid symptoms differed significantly, indicating distinct responses, and denying a single shared outcome. These were formally defined by a high coefficient of the intraclass correlation (ICC1) during follow-up on multiple visits at the same LT4 dose, when lacking symptoms, exceeding 0.60 in all thyroid parameters. Symptomatic change in these patients was strongly associated with serum FT3, but not with FT4 or TSH concentrations. In 25 patients transitioning from asymptomatic to symptomatically hyperthyroid, while their FT3 concentrations remained within the reference limits, biochemical differences were also marked between the presentations.

Conclusions: Considerable intra-individual clustering occurred in the biochemical and symptomatic responses to LT4 treatment, implying statistically heterogeneous response groups. Unmasking individual differences in the averaged treatment response hereby highlights clinically distinguishable subgroups. This, through well designed larger clinical trials will better target the different therapeutic needs of individual patients.

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Do you have a link for this, Diogenes? Or is it your own research?

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It is our own work and not published yet.

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Thank you. Go for it!!!!

Want any more volunteers? :-D

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I’d be up for that too

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As a big thyroid weirdo I'd love to be included in research by a knowledgeable team like Diogenes'.

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JGBH

Thank you for the research. Looking forward to read it in published form.

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MissGrace

Wonderful. Thank you so much. 🤸🏿‍♀️

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prussianblue

Thank you Diogenes, it is much needed

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phirestar

Want an outlier?

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Mary76mary76

Wonderful , thank you so much.

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diogenesRemembering

Thanks for volunteering, but we've got a young doctor in Germany attached to the hospital doing the work, who will be starting up on a very detailed and closely controlled study of how thyroid parameters like FT4, FT3 change shortly after total thyroidectomy for cancer, comparing just before and just after, and before T4 treatment begins. In this we want to be able to find out what the direct thyroid contribution of T3 is, and how it varies person to person. That in turn should identify those whose thyroids contribute most T3, and who therefore when the gland is lost, may need T3 as well as T4. All our previous studies were aimed at finding out how in health the thyroid and body cooperate to produce the two thyroid hormones and then what happens when the thyroid fails. This was pure physiology in a generalised way which has to pave the way for examining personalised medicine. Now the emphasis must be, on knowing what is happening in general, finding out the individual's place in this in particular, how variable it is, whether we can devise a test regime to detect early those who may not like T4 mono therapy, and how to devise proper valid clinical trials to discover the relationships if any between dosage and events like OP and AF. The abstract describes our first toe in the water.

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Sounds brilliant! How research should be done when not driven by greedy pharmaceutical companies

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SilverAvocado in reply todiogenes

I'm thrilled to hear that there is more research coming about thyroid cancer patients. I am one myself, who has not responded well to thyroid replacement, and there is so little research specifically about us. I know you are saying this is intended to be about thyroids in general and not just the cancer patient, but still good to hear :)

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Thanks for all that you and your colleagues are doing to improve understanding of how we produce T3 and who is better at converting from T4 etc. Look forward to hearing the next results.

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Today we submitted the paper to the journal

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Valarian

Interesting. Have you found any distinct patterns in those who became hypo following RAI or TT for Graves’, or just cancer ?

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diogenesRemembering

I wou ld say that however the thyroid is totally lost, the way it is doesn't matter as far as outcomes are concerned.

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