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I was diagnosed with Autoimmune thyroiditis about 6 months after having my first Flu vaccine. I have heard that Vaccines may cause autoimmune diseases, is this true/ has anyone else had this experience? Thanks.

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You might find Info in this online series of interest. Talks of vaccine damage but also possible links with autoimmunity

healingfromvaccines.com/mas...

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Thank you for the link. Jane x

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Thanks for the link. I daresay this doctor will just "disappear" with the help of the big pharma!!

They wan't $179.00

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Let's hope not. The talk today references pro biotic spores. I believe she may have been referencing the work of Dr Deitrich Klinghardt, who used to work with Dr Bradstreet who was found dead in a river just after his offices were raided.

Let's hope they stay safe.

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I believe quite a few have lost their lives who had controversial views which are against the big pharmas, or the pharma mafia as they are referred to. Our own Dr Wakefield who was forced out of the UK seems to be making more headway in the States. I'm surprised he is still alive and kicking in view of Dr Bradstreet's "suicide"!

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Anybody influential who raises issues that potentially interfere with big pharmas business model seems to be dealt with extremely harshly.

To be Wakefielded has been adopted as a term for having your professional career destroyed.

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Politics, Big Pharma, Big Oil, and every other lucrative/shady industry, is littered with people who are 'suicided'. If you have Netflix etc, look up the six part documentary Wormwood (released in 2017) which documents gov. assassination manuals (no, I kid you not), suggesting ways to top you and make it seem as if you topped yourself.

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Thanks I'll try to find it.

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I don't have Netflix but managed to acquire all six episodes, thanks.

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Dr Klinghardt is amazing!

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Dr Bradstreet was, I think, working on GcMAF.

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Only if you decide to buy the series. The information is free to watch online for a limited period. Just take lots of notes.

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A dose of 'flu is a vastly greater attack on the immune system than the vaccine. Given the enormous scale of vaccination any harmful effects. would show up with a very high level of significance. Vaccines save lives, we are much more likely to develop autoimmune thyroid disease as we get older. We get older thanks to vaccines.

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But statistically, in an average year very few people ever get flu. They get bad colds and flu-like illnesses which the flu vaccine does not cover. I've noticed that no one even checks for vaccine allergies/sensitivities like they did when I was a child. It all seems a bit slap dash. And people who say they have flu (when taking time off for work) have rarely, if ever, had an ENT swab to check what they actually have.

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Yes, 'flu is not that common. When you do get it you certainly know about it. If we had a bad cold and had to take time off work we would always write "'flu" since a cold didn't seem reason enough. The vaccine is given to at risk groups rather than the general population. It doens't always work but the benefits outweigh the risks. Other vaccines stop diseases spreading though populations.

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But the so-called "at risk" groups are a) the ones the vaccine isn't tested on (the elderly, pregnant women, asthmatics etc) and b) the ones most likely to have an adverse reaction to the vaccine. So surely they should have allergy testing first?

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The so called at risk groups are the ones more likely to die from flu.

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I was reading a couple of weeks ago that in the US the overall figures for recommending the flu vaccine are really not at all what they seem. The figure for pneumonia which stands at around 93% of cases are added onto the figures for flu cases which are around 7%. This is how the big Pharmas fiddle the figures.

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What is the phrase? Something like .... lies, damn lies and statistics. Seems almost everyone required to produce reports on vaccines must have failed at maths in the bottom set.

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In the US, workplaces (especially in the healthcare field) require their workers to have the yearly flu vaccine. If you choose not to you may be taken off the work schedule until flu season is over or be required to wear a face mask while working..which gives limited protection for a short period of time. Who wants to walk around with a mask on through a shift, anyway? My problem is the adjuvants in vaccines.

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Yes I totally agree this is happening in the UK. There are many things that the US do that are wonderful it's a pity then that some of the worst ideas fly across the pond to the UK.

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I've had the flu several times - you certainly know about it. But that said, even though I had high fever, chills, was too dizzy stand for more than a few seconds, even then I didn't get an absolute diagnosis.

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Hmm, some people only get head colds, but there are many of us who have had terrible chest colds that have gone on for ages or become infected with bronchitis and pleurisy. When I have had these sorts of 'colds' they are more like flu e.g. coughing, weakness, being off food, needing to stay in bed etc

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But flu vaccine still won't help with those.

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No, my point was to directed at those who mentioned people who say they have flu because it sounds worse than saying they have 'colds' when in reality some people have very bad colds that lay them up and post vial complications as mentioned

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Agree. I have Hashimotos for several years and I was opposed flu jabs all the way. I got influenza 4 weeks ago. I thought I was dying. You can't even crawl to the bathroom. Afterwards I got complications, as my immunity is already compromised by hundreds of antibodies. Needed antibiotics for bacterial infection, then I had mild ear infection and now I am going through adenovirus. I hope I won't get fired from my job. If I could turn back time to get that vaccination...I would. And certainly after going through real flu, I know why people can potentially die from it. Just my 2 cents. My GP also told me that flu can cause viral thyroiditis too.

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Thank you for posting this. I have wondered about this for many years , and asked myself how much damage childhood vaccines did to my children. I'm 70 now and have never had a flu jab, and never will. My medicine cabinet is loaded with natural remedies for the flu.

There are many, many people out there now who also question vaccines, their links with autism, the vast sums of money made by big Pharma on some vaccines which have never been tested, the poisons in them and that the flu Vaccination (now in spray form in schools) in fact spreads the flu.

There are informational films including VAXXED by Del Bigtree which are worth watching. I believe it's very important to make an informed decision. Jane x

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I agree with informed consent. I do find it concerning just how many people ask questions about vaccines on forums such as this. Its then obvious that many are not completely sure whether it is right for them.

Is this due to a lack of information perhaps?

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I'm with you on this janeb51. Luckily I have never had flu in my life; I'm 72; I have never had a flu vaxine and don't intend to ever have one.

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Vaxxed is showing free at the moment for a few more days - on their website

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Through following links today came across another documentary. Trace amounts.

I have just watched on YouTube. I thought very worthwhile as it offered some ways to positively address damage.

I have seen Vaxxed. Very worthwhile for anyone who hasn't

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Thank you ~ I'll look for that👍 x (trace amounts)

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Ha! I very nearly posted a reply on that very subject last night, but I was too worn out! 😴 It wasn't Spanish, it wasn't 'flu, and the first cases were noted at Fort Riley. I found the meningitis vax details in an old book entitled The Journal of Experimental Medicine, years ago when I first began looking into it all. I will read....Thank you for posting Marz. x

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Vaccines are not risk free but the lives saved far outweigh the few who are are made ill.

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unless it's one of your kids - please don't dismiss my children as 'the few who are made ill' that's really really horrible of you to classify my children this way. And yes it is confirmed by a consultant that vaccines gave her life threatening auto immune problems and hypothyroidism and no I am not making this up. Please don't make rude statements on this forum. Not only were you rude to me and mine, and terribly dismissive of our distress, but you have been very rude to the person asking the question.

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I'm in a similar situation after my cancer treatment - one of the unlucky ones who was left disabled. I also find the wording very hurtful.

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I was not classifying anyone so I am sorry if you are offended by clumsy shortened wording.The thrust of my post is that vaccines do more good than harm to populations in general. It is devastating to those who are harmed.

I suppose one argument against vaccines is that if not used thousands maybe millions would die and we would have a sustainable planet for those who are left. But who will run with that !

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the more obvious reply would be that if science upped it's gain and actually researched, tested and distributed them properly and appropriately, and we knew more about them and their effects - instead of everyone bowing to the funding entity, then yes they would be a blessing to the world - however at the moment no one is interested in understanding people, testing and researching vaccines appropriately or offering alternatives. At the moment the vaccination system is a disgrace, an affront to humanity, and a massive massive missed opportunity.

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Hear! Hear! Well said.👍 x

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So, according to you the thousands, upon thousands, upon thousands, of lives that are compromised in each country are a cost worth paying? That's your idea of "saving"? To knock the immune system, the gut and the brain function of all those individuals? That's a price worth paying?

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Have the equivalent of Spanish flu instead .

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What?? 😳

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Just stating that Spanish flu came along after 4 years of war when all sorts of nutritional deficiencies would have been rife. Without these deficiencies the flu may have been much more benign.

I think no matter what disease, populations will always fare better with robust immune systems. Maybe that should be the big health push/message.

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Exactly! And yes, but no big bucks for big pharma if everyone's immune system is healthy 😕 x

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Well, the Black Death improved the lives of the survivors and helped usher in the modern age, and probably Spanish flu (and population reduction) was one of the drivers for improved conditions for women. Don't forget the latter came on top of living in the trenches under extreme stress for years and a couple of years of rationing (came in in 1917), so immune systems would have been at an all time low. Wonder if mustard gas also had an effect?

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I too have my doubts about the number of vaccines we receive nowadays - I have never had a flu vaccine and doubt I will. Ironically, many of the illnesses that people attribute to flu are other conditions - many will not go to a doctor to have a lab test to ascertain whether it is truly flu (even if the doctors would test with the limited funding available) so it is uncertain how many cases of flu the vaccine is preventing. Some years the efficacy is very low and was predicted as 20% for 2018 - that is not a good enough risk/benefit ratio for me. According to Dr. Alessia Fasano (a gluten researcher), there are three conditions needed to develop autoimmunity - a genetic predisposition, a ‘leaky’ gut and an environmental trigger and its impossible to say whether the flu vaccine was your trigger. You can now follow the good nutrition advice given on this site though - maybe with this you can keep your condition from progressing. Good luck.

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I never have the flu vaccine anymore by choice I did have the flu back in 1967 when I was in my twenties it lasted about 10 days in total.

In France 11 different vaccines are now compulsory for attending school.

I agree that certain vaccines save lives.

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11 vaccines?! What a disgrace! And that number keeps rising!

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Exactly right I have now returned to the UK thank goodness. Much more organic food offered to. I have just joined a new surgery here and this last week have received two separate letters regarding the flu jab and the pneumonia jab I have declined both.

As this surgery is being paid by the NHS why oh why did they not have the common sense to send just one letter. Have none of these people ever worked in industry I don't think so, do you?

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Since I started self-medicating and don't collect an NHS prescription I am no longer in "at risk" group, so no more letters. Hurrah!

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I only joined this new GP practice two months ago but have still received two letters both regarding vaccines, I am over 70 yrs. I had to write back to let them know that I didn't want it and the letter states that this will go on my medical record. My partner has just visited the new GP with a request for an over 70's health check he took 5 minutes and had to make an appointment with the nurse to do it next week.

In France we had same day appointments and at every visit our doctor spent at least half an hour with us. We don't miss anything about living in France apart from the brilliant health care.

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Don't hold your breath. I've been told that refusal to have a scan etc goes on your records, but they'll still send you a letter again next year (and you can't ask them not to) in case you change your mind. No wonder they are short of money if they send lots of unwanted letters and then have to deal with cancellations. Might have changed, but I doubt it.

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I'm holding but it's a waste of time, me thinks.

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I am sure I have read somewhere that the flu jab is ineffective for ages 65+. If so makes me wonder just what is being dished out?

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I have Hashimotos disease and suffered for years before I was diagnosed. I have never had the flu Vax, nor would I ever as my toxic overload is quite high. I have had the flu a handful of times in my life, which just forces me to rest and heal. No complications as the rest of the time I keep myself well and healthy. I believe my health started to suffer after receiving 2 vaccines within a short time of each other when I was in my 20's. I wasn't the same since and shortly after I started with autoimmune disease.

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I am the same I had suffered for many years with symptoms but not hypothyroid until 9 years ago when I was diagnosed with Hashimoto's, sjogrens syndrome, underactive thyroid, fibromyalgia in 2013. I had suffered with ill health all my life and have lost 2 jobs because of it. I often wonder if I had been treated in my 20s or 30s things would have been different and would have actually had a life and not a succession of illnesses.

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What you say about toxic overload is VERY important to anyone with chronic infections such as Lyme Disease and others, and doctors treating such infections generally do not recommend vaccinations. Jane x

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Which doctors in Britain? And at what cost? They're all private and unaffordable to most of us.

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I agree. It's a big commitment of money and a leap of faith as well because it's a huge change in direction (once you've done the research), BUT SO WORTH IT. Some of the people I've met on this thyroid/Lyme/mycotoxin journey my daughter has undertaken have come from wealthy backgrounds, but most of them like us have used their savings, their pension money, have remortgaged their homes, used crowd funding, borrowed from family, taken out loans etc. etc. Jane x

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I had pneumonia 2 years ago, I believe I succumbed to it because I had been left hypothyroid for 19 years and my body could not cope. Last year I was given the flu and pneumonia jab together. Became really ill within 3 days and ended up on antibiotics. I told my GP I am never having a jab again, even though I now have heart failure due to being treated with the wrong thyroid medication. He agreed with me!!

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"I now have heart failure due to being treated with the wrong thyroid medication" may I ask what thyroid medication were you on?

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Levothyroxine. Hypothyroidism causes heart failure if not treated optimally. See my profile.

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I'd be interested in hearing of how your heart failure was diagnosed e.g. symptoms, scans, etc. I was left untreated (by GP's and hospital clinicians) for many years.

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It was diagnosed after pneumonia, chest x-ray, echocardiogram. Symptoms unable to walk across the room, breathless, palpitations. Endocrinologist admitted hypothyroidism can cause Cardiomyopathy. Being stuck on Levothyroxine which I was unable to convert due to a faulty DI02 gene meant basically my heart was struggling for too long, 19 years plus!

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Sorry to hear that. I wasn't diagnosed and didn't rcv Levo/T4. The lack of care/treatment that I rcvd over so many years was irresponsible and negligent. In my opinion, those people are not qualified, not skilled and not ethical. And the same applies to those who trained them and those who licensed them.

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Hi, YES I had Guillain Barre after a tetanus booster (at a “well woman screening”

The way that vaccines work is to disrupt the immune system.

I have had conversations on here about vaccinations and they get closed, if you want more info please message me.

If you have an autoimmune disease or the mthfr gene it’s advisable to never have a vaccine.

It’s a subject that just doesn’t get discussed, people (I was one of them) just believe they must be safe - none are!

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I will never have a flu jab again after suffering following the separate swine flu jab in 2009, which I believe is now incorporated in the normal flu jab. Since then I have been diagnosed with Hashimoto's, sjogrens syndrome, fibromyalgia. Who knows whether this can be attributable to the jab - but unless I really have to I will not have the flu jab again.

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There are many people suffering with narcolepsy from the H1N1 vaccine, some have successfully claimed compensation.

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Thank you Chippysue. I will look into other people's experiences of the jab - the muscle pain was awful and has stayed with me and I have been diagnosed with all the other conditions. I now have severe chronic pain and the only thing which seems to help to a small degree for a short time is a steroid injection. There will obviously come a time when I cannot have them any more.

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How awful! Was it reported on the yellow card system?

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No, nothing was reported Chippysue. Just took it that other people were like that too. I worked for the NHS at the time and although I didn't work directly with them they were present on the premises where I worked.

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Whenever we suffer a reaction to any medication we should complete the Yellow Card.

If thousands of people who suffer reactions, do not report those reaction via the Yellow Card system, it goes undocumented and is portrayed as a safe medication.

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I can vouch for Chippysue's knowledge on this subject and she has personal experience as a thyroid patient as well. She has researched vaccinations extensively.

x x

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Thank you Janeb15 for the information. I will look into this.x

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I know there are many Patrick Holford aficionados on this site who might be interested in this link facebook.com/patrickholford...

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I think you need to be more worried about stress, genetics and the effects of the many chemicals we are exposed to throughout our lives now in particular flame retardants.

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Very true. My hypothyroidism was caused by PBDE flame retardants. I'm trying to get a paper published but it's very difficult as a patient. I will have another try in the new year. I won't go into more details as it will detract from this post. The point I'm making is that vaccines have a small effect compared to other chemicals.

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It’s frightening how many dangerous chemicals we are inhaling. I am trying to find a new bed mattress without fire retardent, it’s not easy so far.

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I managed to get one 10 years ago, so you should be able to find one if you search. But it was stunningly expensive (which is why I still have it after 10 years)

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Hi Chippysue, I bought FR free mattresses from Cottonsafe mattresses in Devon. I also bought FR free bedding (wool duvets and kapok pillows) from Greenfibres. Just google their names and they will come up. Quality of both are excellent. Not the cheapest but I think they will really last, made of natural materials and the mattress I went for is the most comfortable I have ever slept on. Cottonsafe do try and make their products as cheap as possible and are very passionate about not using chemicals and FRs.

I have been trying to source a FR free sofa but this is virtually impossible. So I think I am going with Ikea who are generally very good at cheaper toxic materials to a minimum. They do not use FRs at all in Sweden and some other European countries but have to here because of our ridiculous fire regs. Just waiting for a response from them confirming they do not use chlorinated FRs (they phased out brominated FRs years ago), and I think they just use FRs on their foam (advised of this by them verbally) and interliner (ie so not on the cover fabric) but I waiting for written confirmation from their head office of this. I can post again if anyone is interested when I get a response.

Hope that helps :-)

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Wow thank you so much, yes please keep us posted, on a separate post. I am sure that many people are unaware of the harm caused by inhaling these toxins as we sleep each night.

Thanks - I will have a look! Sue

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Ok will do!

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Thank you for posting that info. Yes, all these fire retardant 'regs' for our homes, when it suits them, yet you get Grenfell, and others.,...😳 😰 x

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My Cintique sofa didn't have as many chemicals in it as the Ikea ones, but, again, it's been a good few years since I bought it. The other thing is to buy used as most things will have finished outgassing by the time they are a few years old.

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I believe the off-gassing applies to VOCs but not to FRs - as a product degrades, more of the FRs can leach into your dust which is generally how it then gets into your body. Cintique's website doesn't mention their use/not use of glues/FRs etc which is usually a sign that they don't have a policy not to use them. Have you got any info from them regarding this? Why do you think your Cintique sofa had fewer chemicals than Ikea sofas?

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Coco-Mat is a company here in Greece that make mattresses from natural ingredients - layered up according to your needs :-)

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Hi Jimh111 I’m interested in how you are sure flame retardants caused your hypothyroidism? I have lots of theories about what caused my Graves’ disease including a bout of Glandular fever, a brief period of drinking lots of Diet Coke in an effort to lose weight, immunisations including yellow fever and thyphoid and taking Larium for a trip to Brazil - and also another theory is I remember small planes spraying crops in the field behind our house when I was a child in the 70’s - my Dad developed Parkinsons and I wonder if the crop spraying and pesticide exposure affected him also. Anyway I’m rambling!

( I’m not anti vaccination btw despite my musings. My kids had all their vaccines).

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Various reasons. Very brief so I don't distract this post. Became ill after spending many weeks in Rochester NY (has high PBDE from lakes). Eliminating PBDE sources helped as did an elimination strategy. Some important info I don't want to disclose until I've had another attempt at getting published. Sorry for the digression from the topic.

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If you are able to publish and/or happy to share any more, please do post on here. I would be interested to read.

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Wow they started spraying back in the 70’s?

I am not anti-Vax - I am an ex-vaxxer and would not vaccinate my children if I had my time again. I went down the rabbit hole - and sadly it is deep, very deep!

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Interesting to read your reply...I used to drink a can of Diet Coke every single day without fail until I needed a root canal and never touched it again. I also took Larium (on the advice of the Hospital of Tropical Diseases as I was pregnant and going to Africa). For months after taking it, I felt truly ill. My eldest was born six months later and I realise now that I began the slow decline in health that eventually led to my Hashis diagnosis 10 years later.

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I didn't have any children but that is how I feel about the swine flu jab. My health has declined since.

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"You need to be more worried about the many chemicals"? Why can't we be worried about the many chemicals and the contaminants that we're injected with, plus the many chemicals and the contaminants that we breathe in?

It's not Either/Or. It's Both and All.

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I am not sure that the evidence around vaccinations is as strong personally. Vaccinations have a well evidenced benefit. Agree they carry some risk but I feel the benefits generally outweigh the risk which is small (albeit devastating for some individuals). Happy to reconsider my view, if you have evidence to the contrary. I used to be anti vaccinations but have been persuaded otherwise following much research. The evidence behind the toxicity of FRs is very strong (incl as an endocrine disruptor) which is why I think it should be a greater concern to people with thyroid problems. People are obviously free to make up their own minds.

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You think that flame retardants are endocrine disrupters, but that aluminium and formaldehyde, etc, inside the vaccines, that end up inside our bodies, are not? Your theory is illogical.

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Logic dictates that we should find evidence of endocrine disruption and quantify the doses of aluminium or formaldehyde that cause any claimed disruption. Aluminium is the most abundant metal in the earth's crust and found in most foodstuffs. I'm not aware of an endocrine disrupting role for aluminium, at least not on thyroid hormone action. On the contrary there are currently 322 papers in PubMed relating to thyroidal endocrine disruption by PBDE flame retardants.

It's a question of quantifying the relative risks caused by various substances and quantifying how much of that substance is ingested by vaccines or other routes. Once the risks and ingestion sources have been quantified we can then make an informed decision on the risk / benefits of a specific vaccine.

Vaccines provide such enormous benefits that there is no excuse for sloppy science. If we believe there are risks that have not been publicised we need to do the hard work and quantify such risks before suggesting a vaccine should not be used.

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It’s not about what I “think” or about my “theory”, it’s what can be evidenced that matters imo.

Jimh111’s response above is very eloquent on this point and I don’t feel I need to add anything further to his post with which I concur.

As I said previously others are free to form their own opinions in whatever way they choose.

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Yes, I have experienced vaccine damage, and have hashimotos. I won't go into it on here (again) in case post gets closed 😕 so my advice would be not to have it, or any of them, but do ensure your vitamin and mineral levels are optimal as advised on this forum, and take Vit D and Vit C in good levels, especially throughout the winter. Read/ask around the forum for advice on this.

Good nutrition and avoiding physical/emotional stress is everything when you have autoimmune/thyroid disease. Please read all you can on vaccines so that you can make an informed decision for yourself re safety/efficiency/adjuvants etc. The truth is out there!😊.

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I do not have a medical background and would never try to advise anyone on their medical needs or conditions. I can only relate my own beliefs and experiences on these subjects. I am 70 and have never had a flu shot and neither has my husband or any of my adult children. We have all had serious flu-like illnesses. Many years ago I fought a long battle of pneumonia. I did take antibiotics but still do not believe the "FLU" shot is the way to go. The last year my mother was alive...she had her first flu shot...she was 82 yrs old at the time. She had a bad reaction to it and never recovered. She died just several months later. She was a retired nurse who always felt immunizations were important not only for individuals health but for the public good. After her rapid decline from the flu shot...she told me never to get one.

I also had a conversation with a friend who is a highly respected pharmacist. This conversation came shortly after my mother's death. My friend told me all the very scary things that are in the vaccine and said unless an individual has a true compromised immune system, IE...severe heart disease, HIV...etc. they don't need the vaccine.

I know this is a very hard decision for everyone to make and at some point I may change my mind.

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I am so sorry to hear about your Mum, sadly many elderly people have shared this. It is scary when you look at the ingredients and especially this year for the over 65’s as they have added squalene.

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Thank you Chippysue...We must all do our homework and not follow like lambs to the slaughter because we are told too.

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Some 'flu vaccines have 'adjuvants' added to make them work in older people. I'm not expert on this so won't delve further. There is some information here nhs.uk/conditions/vaccinati... .

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The list of adjuvants for each vaccine is on the patient information leaflets. The huge thin sheets of paper that are not usually offered when anyone receives a vaccine.

Aluminium, traces of mercury, polysorbate 80, formaldehyde, aborted foetal cells, animal blood and dna cells, are just a few adjuvants, all listed in black and white.

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Could you tell me what 'squalene' is please? I remember vaguely reading bout idxx

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If eaten it’s fine, if injected it incites your immune system to attack all the squalene in your body. This adjuvant contributed to the “gulf war syndrome”

It is in the Fluad for the 65+

It caused narcolepsy as it was in the 2009 h1n1

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One has to wonder whether adding harmful ingredients (Inc. squalene) to vaccines is intentional; much like the Liverpool Care Pathway which was known to lead to thousands of deaths.

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AFAIK, the Liverpool Care Pathway was supposed to kill you if you survived for too long. Hospice did it to my mum as she lived longer than the predicted 6 weeks. Horrible to see her dying of thirst and crying out for water.

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Really sorry to hear of your mum's unethical and diabolical 'treatment'; reminiscent of the POW in concentration camps.

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I think I saw that in practice with an elderly patient during one of my hospital admissions. Family were told not to provide any drink. Think she was finished off by an injection when staff went in to make her comfortable.

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I'm so sorry about your mum...the same happened to my dad, except he died within a few weeks. He wouldn't listen to me re flu vax, because GP had said I 'didn't know what I was talking about' when I said he didn't need it (GP said this in front of me😳) but the day after my poor dad was so ill, and he never recovered. He said "I think you were right about that flu jab ~ it's done me in" and it had. It's a tragic, and unnecessary game of Russian roulette. x

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Mamapea1, Thank you and I am sorry to hear about your dad. I really believe deaths caused by the actual flu vac are listed as other causes. If listed as caused by the flu vaccine, many more people would be questioning this practice.

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Most doctors are frightened of going against the GMC and Big Pharma and of reporting vaccines leading to illness or death.

A few days ago a doctor expressed concerns about the pneumonia vaccine. They seldom put such concerns in writing because it would lead to being professionally ostracised.

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Furthermore...when I had to get the Dr out for my dad because he was bed bound and so ill...he said "oh yes, you've got a touch of the flu ~ think how bad it would have been if you hadn't had the vaccine ~ good job you had it" 😱. There's no winning in this corrupt system, I'm afraid.

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My partners mother took a vaccination. Unsure if it was for the flu or pneumonia. Prior to the shot was aging but no brain involvement. She very soon after developed severe Alzheimer's? symptoms and died 3 months later unable to do anything for herself.

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Just terrible! Heartbreaking!

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An illogical doctor. Hopefully, you said something to him.

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Sorry about your mother' rapid decline. However, giving a vaccine containing various harmful chemicals (e.g. formaldehyde, aluminium, etc) isn't helpful to someone with an already compromised immune system, and should not be given because it is likely to further undermine their already compromised health.

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It's a two edged sword really. People with undrlying health problems are precisely the target group because they are more likely to die from pneumonia or serious flu.

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I know a number of people whose very ill parent/relative died very soon after being vaccinated. It is foolish to vaccinate someone whilst they are very ill and frail.

Clinical centres/clinicians are financially rewarded for giving vaccines. There is an obvious conflict of interest.

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I had hypothyroidism for many years before I started having the flu jab

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I've been watching videos by 'Dr Bergman' on Youtube - he has so much to say that is so worth watching on vaccines/different health issues, and how bad for our bodies vaccines and medicines often are - they may appear to lessen the symptoms, but do not effect any cure. If anything they create more problems. Here's his one on flu shots:

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Dr John Bergman is my favourite. I feel as though I know him well as he is always talking to me! We need more Dr Bergmans!

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Love Dr Bergman 💕 he talks sense. x

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One thing everyone on this thread is forgetting: it takes years to have enough thyroid damage from autoimmune disease, after you were first exposed to your trigger, in order to be diagnosed with Hashimoto's. If you are searching for your root cause, it would be more beneficial to search for a virus, toxin, or pregnancy, etc, that could have triggered autoimmunity years ago.

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Yep for me Guillain Barre in 1999 as no.1 autoimmune disease and then first symptoms of hashi’s in 2006.

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I was referring to the declaration of the OP:

"I was diagnosed with Autoimmune thyroiditis about 6 months after having my first Flu vaccine."

It's not likely that something that happened six months prior could have led to enough thyroid damage to be diagnosed. This is not me defending vaccinations. This is about time and biology. Just trying to be helpful.

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I disagree with your theory.

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I was paralysed almost immediately for 3 years after being exposed to oral polio vax in the early 1990s. I couldn't walk or lift my arms up or do anything for myself, I had to be carried about, and I had children to look after. I still have severe muscle weakness, and a myriad of other problems, some of which have possibly been caused by poor medication (Levo) for the hypothyroidism/gut issues, etc., that followed, with the "highest antibody count they had ever seen".

I was hospitalised for months while they tried to 'figure out' what had happened to me, despite me (and my family) persistently telling them I was fine and healthy and in work the day before the exposure. This was completely ignored, and I had every intrusive investigation they could think of. They 'assured' me it could not be the vax, and it had to be something else. That 'something else' was never found, so they sent me home to be cared for by my family.

The paralysis was suddenly turned into 'ME' (yuppie flu, as it was then annoyingly) and CFS (which apparently paralyses you😕) and a variety of other highly unlikely labels. Then the relevant medical notes went 'missing', despite me seeing said notes each time I visited various 'specialists'.

I don't deny I may have always had a genetic tendency towards hypothyroidism, but I was definitely seriously damaged on that day. How can you possibly be sure that this or that particular adjuvant or virus is going to damage you or not? You can't, and neither can they. As there is no proof re herd immunity, or that they even work, what's the point of them? 💭💰

I lost an aunt who developed lupus and encephalitis, after a vax, and died within months, and all the other female relatives (there's a lot) all acquired Hashis, vitiligo, etc. I personally have friends with vaccine damaged children, one has very severe autism and needs constant care ~ she's now 20. They finally recently acknowledged that it was the MMR, (which we all knew at the time) and which she didn't even get until she was 3, and was previously a normal healthy child. The woman's other children, who haven't been vaccinated are all fine. I'll reverse an old saying ~ 'where's there's money, there's muck'. x

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Sorry to hear that you have not fully recovered, I too was paralysed, it’s frightening.

Funny (not) that my medical notes about my tetanus booster are missing too!

#followthemoney

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Oh you too? 😕 yes it was dreadful ~ it ruined my life. That and the 300mcg of Levo that they prescribed in the aftermath! I'm much better now I'm on T3 only, thanks to the advice I've had from here, but I've never been 'right' since. My gut was seriously damaged also.

Very suspicious re the medical notes ~ I wanted to check the contents of the vax and get the product details, so I knew what I was up against, but that wasn't happening. I think I know which one it was, but I would have liked some certainty just for my own knowledge.

People seem to be under the impression that 'only a few' people are affected/damaged, but I don't get out much, and I know several ~ misinformation is obviously rife. Perhaps people don't notice or take it on board unless it happens to them. Drs just diagnose some bogus disease and hope you go away ~ even with tiny babies😔.

The school even took it upon themselves to vax my granddaughter with HPV last year ~ 3 days after her 15th birthday ~ AGAINST her mothers wishes. She told them on the phone, but they asked for the refusal in writing, to 'cover themselves' which she did, but they did it anyway,😱 the 'nurse' telling my gd when she protested, that it was HER decision, not her mothers, and everyone had to have it. Really? Is it compulsory now?!

She can't vote, yet she can be coerced into giving her 'permission' for a notoriously dangerous vax!?! The mind boggles 😳 needless to say, she didn't have the next two! They're probably still reeling from my daughters response! The biggest big pharma con ever is being ignored and covered up.😰 x

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Just criminal!!!

and they are giving the hpv to boys next year! This is the first vaccine that has to stop!

It breaks my heart to learn of the death and destruction vaccines are causing, it will be the power of the people that stand up to it as all organisations are corrupt and just want the money or power.

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Criminal indeed, and at the very least a human rights issue. Yet WE are the ones considered rebellious, and are accused of putting others 'at risk'! I also can't bear the thought of the damage being caused...especially when I'm in the Drs surgery (not often,thankfully) and I see the tiny babies lining up with their mothers for the myriad of vaccines...so wrong and so upsetting.

Friends children (and mine) who have not had them are developing their own proper immune response and seem to be doing fine. My youngest granddaughter (age 3) had chicken pox a couple of months ago, and while it's horrible and she had loads of nasty scabs, she just lay on the sofa for a couple of days, her main concern being 'banned' from nursery for two weeks.

She had loads of Mg baths, lots of Vit D and C, as usual, and was perfectly back to normal on the 3rd day. Definitely not worth having a vax for, yet there is one now. x

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The power of the people is exactly what's needed ~ l live in Warwickshire too ~ meet you in Leicester for a rerun of the demo? 😊 x

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Fantastic - I met the Vaxxed team in Leicester last year to share my vaccine injury story. dr Suzanne Humphries went to the prison and was filmed there explaining the history of the small pox vaccine - known as the Leicester way as they refused to have the mandatory small pox jab as it was CAUSING small pox. 80,000 people marched!

Sorry, anyway come along to one of our midlands thyroid support group meetings, held in Warwick this month but usually in Solihull.

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Are there any meetings in/around London and suburbs?

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Good reason to keep your child off sick during the time they are doing the vaccines

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Yes, I guess those who work in the industry accidentally misplaced the medical records that associate the vaccine to your declining health.

Reminds me of when a patient's (aneurysm) symptoms were consistently ignored by GP's and paramedics and hospital clinicians, and she was instead told it was just a headache and told to take paracetamol and go to bed. She then died of massive brain haemorrhage, and all notes of their repeated failures vanished from her medical records.

It happens every time, in every person's case i.e. that they remove all incriminating records. A friend worked for a council and said the first thing the council does in similarly serious situations, is to instruct staff to remove all incriminating material from the records.

I also knew someone who was an executive of national corporations, and when he was told that the above patient had died due to the failure of several medics, he said they'll immediately remove all incriminating material from the records. And he said it happens every time, in every industry and organisation.

But people still like to think romantically re vaccines and re medical notes that suddenly vanish.

Collusion happens in the medical industry, and in every other industry and organisation. It's the glue that holds them all together and ensures they all look out for each other.

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Vaccines contain toxins.

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I have an additional question to vaccines and hypothyroidism...especially hoshimotos. For those with hoshi...do you get sick...colds, viruses, flu more frequently or less since being diagnosed? My husband and I both have hoshimotos. My husbands antibodies are much higher then mine...I try to stay gluten free. Ever since we have been diagnosed we have very few episodes of colds and flu. When we do get one, we seem to fight it off very quickly. My husband just got back from a conference a week ago and when he got off the plane he was coughing and sputtering and had a crazy runny nose. Two days later it was gone. I had a sister-in-law with multiple sclerosis, which is an auto immune disease and she never got sick. I've always wondered if our ramped up immune systems are not only going after our own organs but also fighting off diseases? Just a crazy thought I guess.

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Its worth watching Trace Amounts. Available on YouTube.

It covers the vaccine debate but also offers more information as to what may constitute a toxic overload.

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Yes, I know what you mean. I have heard this come up before on the forum. I often don't get bugs that those around me are suffering with, and if I do, they disappear rapidly. Sometimes though, I feel so ill I can't tell if I've got something or not!😳 Sorry, not much help ~ I think it is a 'thing' though. x

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Yes, that is the thing now, we never know what is causing things do wex

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Yes, there's so many things in the environment to try and avoid...chemicals in our food and water, household goods, etc. All we can do is keep ourselves as healthy as possible, and ensure we have healthy diets and are nutritionally optimal. We may then be in a better position to fight off any stray bugs that come our way. x

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I have great problems now with reactions to medication and also chemicals in cleaning products etc. All I can say is that these reactions have become worse over the last few years.

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Yes I have a few too that have accumulated 😕 there are more natural cleaning products out there these days...but it depends what you are sensitive to ~ are the medications all essential? x

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Could be because we work on VitD levels when Hypo :-)

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It’s all about food gut health. The people I know who have colds and different coughs and colds all of the time are the ones who have had all sorts of antibiotics in the past which have wrexked their gut, their good bacteria destroyed. So if we look after our army of good bacteria by eating fermented food, probiotics, raw foods, juices then our army is ready to keep germs away.

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That was the start of what got Andrew Wakefield Wakefielded. He was a gastroenterologist and found differences in the gut flora of autistic children.

Fast forward a few years and the big buzz is the microbiome. Often referred to as the second brain as it plays such an important role in immunity. I would hazard a guess that everyone who has an auto immune disorder probably has a degree of gut imbalance. They are now saying that brain diseases can be predicted years in advance by sampling gut bacteria.

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Yes - incredible Dr (truth will be in media one day) yes gut health is so important, if only antibiotics were not fished out to children so easily. There is still so much to learn about the gut/brain connection, sadly it will not be on a medical syllabus as there is no money for pharma.

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Antibiotics are also in the food supply if you eat animal products and dont make a conscious choice to buy organic. Animals are often given huge amounts as they promote faster growth.

We have got ourselves in a proper pickle allowing private research companies to effectively have a stranglehold on our mainstream health system.

There a huge numbers of good people in the health service who will one day feel immensely betrayed if the enormity of the problems are ever publically revealed.

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It sounds like you have been down a few rabbit holes that I have been down. I know we cannot save every person but spreading as much awareness as possible helps.

Yes antibiotics given to animals and of course in the water supply.

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Maybe on this day if the Armistice it's a good time to remind everyone that around 50 million people worldwide died from pre vaccine 'Spanish' flu in 1918. I don't wish to go back to those days. I'm afraid we are only human and fallible and get ill, diseased etc . We are more likely in my opinion, to find a link with plastics in our water and in the air disrupting our hormones than vaccines which save many many lives

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i know you will not want to hear this and I really do not wish to argue but the flu jab would not save people, they actually admit each year it doesn’t work that well. What it is doing is causing more dementia.The history of vaccinations is incredible, the truth is in the medical history documents which, to make it much easier for those interested is laid out in Dr Suzanne Humphries book called dissolving illusions. I too thought vaccines saved lives and eradicated diseases but no, not one single disease has been eradicated by a vaccine, it’s one of the biggest lies ever told, and it hurts us all to know that we have been lied to, When you delve deep into the research of each vaccine it is mind blowing how we have been conned. There is not one single safe vaccine and sadly I know many people who’s lives have been devastated by them.

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I have followed some of Dr Humpries stuff.

She has received death threats as well

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I met her last year, she is amazing. She receives emails most days from doctors who says that they agree with her but are not willing to speak up as they will lose their job/money. If only they all stood up at the same time around the world!

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Yes she's amazing ~ I hold her in very high esteem. Why more people don't read the accurate historical data she has made so readily available I don't know. It would surely put an end to these nonsensical debates. I am envious of your meeting...she's my hero😊.

I can almost understand Drs not wanting to be 'Wakefielded', that is their professional choice, but people who are partaking in these vaccination schedules would surely benefit from her extensive research, and be able to make more informed choices for themselves. Let's hope she too stays safe 🙏 x

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No I have never heard 'them' admit anything of the sort apart from one year when they were pushed to produce a vaccine fast and got it wrong. Are you saying that 50million people would not have died if they had had more vitamin D? I have nothing against using so called alternatives but the science must be there and I think it is dangerous to suggest people should not have a vaccine for no good reason and especially when articles mention Trump who is so arrogant he doesn't have a science advisor. How do you explain the absence of smallpox, the rareness if polio and the fact that there are regimes where they see vaccination programmes as a US plot and meanwhile their children are dying?

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Would be very happy to answer all of those questions. I would just advise that people do their own research, not just believing that they have eradicated diseases, and are safe.

The increase in the amount of vaccines is frightening as there has never been a safety test of all of the toxic adjuvants given at the same time. There has never been a safety test on pregnant women having the flu jab or the DTaP.

Please message me if you would like to know more information.

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My daughter now reacts to salicylates (aspirin ) which are in an amazing number of fruit and veg but still uncommon. Obviously there are a lot of vaccinations . . They are to cover the population and Out if any population there will be some who react badly. This does not deny the efficacy of the vaccine.

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In your reply to ChippySue, you said: "No I have never heard 'them' admit anything of the sort".

I don't know why you brought Trump into this discussion?

There are various professors, scientists and clinicians out there who have spoken on these issues. I'm just surprised that you're totally unaware of them.

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Recent information indicates Spanish Flu was an experiment in the US that went wrong ... have posted the link somewhere 😊

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You know everyone has a good argument for not getting flu shots and everyone has a good argument for getting one. So, with due respect for all we should think of humanity, the spirit and the soul when we speak about such things. Here is some information on the subject and may the Lord's grace, mercy and peace be upon you.

ecohealthalliance.org/2018/...

nbcnews.com/health/health-n...

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Is the protection of the flu shot really exaggerated?

healthnewsreview.org/2015/1...

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My husband had the flu jab 4 years ago & within hours developed Polymyalgia Rheumatica, he went from working as a stage erector, fit & healthy to being unable to lift his arms to brush his teeth. It took months of steroids to get under control. Over the following year he kept it under control & was able to gradually reduce his steroid dose. He was bullied by the surgery to have the flu jab again the following year, again within hours he had a total relapse. As a follower of Vaxxed, I immediately suspected the vaccine to be the cause of his problems the first time round but this second time confirmed my suspicions. Neither of us will ever have the flu jab again

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There is little more than personal experience to relate, but I have avoided vaccines in adult life after a poor reaction to anti-tetanus in the 1980's. I do t know what would have happened if I hadn't had it, of course! My uncle died after WW2 from poliomyelitis, and besides the really sad circumstances, I've always wondered why all his comrades didn't also suffer serious side effects, or die. There were no reports of others being ill, yet he stopped breathing independently very rapidly. Cases like these rarely reach scrutiny, and the animal tests, (which I find appalling on many levels, but including their possible inapplicability to human reactions), don't answer the questions. As a child in the 1950's, I knew people who had polio, and they were affected by limb damage (obviously neuro links were not as well researched then). So it is certain that the vaccine has eradicated this disease...at present... In this country.

But there must be very little real research available to allow clear understanding. I found it worrying to hear that grandchildren are given the flu vaccine in schools. My husband has CLL and heart disease, so has the standard issue flu vaccine every year. He usually has a brief manifestation of symptoms but, thank goodness, no lasting problems. I stay clear for a day or two! Have hypothyroid, but not sure whether Hashimoto's, as in six years I've never been referred. But having a tendency to pick up everything, assume I have low immunity.

Final point: I contracted 'Asian Flu' as it was dubbed in 1985. Terrible, racking fevers, delirium, extreme dehydration, collapse and lack of balance, etc., overnight and entire loss of hearing lasted 3-4 days, then for four weeks symptoms slowly subsided. Would vaccine have prevented? Who knows.... Since then, I believe undetected thyroid damage was the problem. Told I had CFS, which endured for five years, but the last few months have experienced same symptoms due to GP cutting my Levo down to 25% of stable dose.

Personally, I think that there should be more overarching discussions between endos, viros, experts in epidemic, immunologists and nutritionists. Viruses like Ebola have put great fear into countries where it is not normally found, but where air travel has caused its spread, so clearly there are communities of resistance, perhaps. But studies like that are very hard to do, and need longitudinal work.

It is very much a concern that overloading with vaccines can cause damage ( Gulf War Syndrome) being one label. However, we are living in such overcrowded societies now, which would mean rapid infection.

Sorry...not a medic, but an interested observer. My own life has been a chain of illnesses, yet my grandparents, who resisted going to doctors at all costs, lived to their nineties. But they were born in the 1880's...less chemical background.

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I agree with your final comment about your grandparents.

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My mother's 90 and has had the flu jab for the last few years and no averse side effects. I think if you've got a compromised immune system then, yes, it may compromise it more. As this is a forum for people with compromised immune systems then the respondents by definition are selective i.e. not typical of the population as a whole. Therefore the general population may have less adverse reactions to report than people here. But it is has got me questioning whether I should get one or not. I've not been diagnosed with UAT but do have FM and CFS

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In case you have not seen these reports. Vaccines trigger autoimmunity.

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Wow what an amazing and knowledgeable response to my post. I thank you all, sorry i don't have the time to reply individually, but I am truly grateful for all your replies. I think it is such a difficult decision and a very personal one. I did have my children vaccinated to no ill effect, but I think it's frightening now how many vaccines are being developed and the Drug companies are putting pressure on everyone to have their latest 'magic potion'. Schools, Hospitals and work places are encouraged to get a high percentage vaccinated. I was intimidated into taking my Flu Vaccine, I have never had one since. I don't know if it was my jab that caused my Hashimotos Thyroid, but I have not had another one since. Thanks again all.

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According to some scientists and clinicians, inc. Prof. G. Nicolson, in addition to there being often harmful toxins/adjuvants in the vaccines, the vaccines can also contain mycoplasma which isn't listed in the ingredients and which can impair your health at any point in time. In other words, a variety of side-effects from a vaccine can manifest at any time, causing chronic health conditions... long after you've forgotten that you received the vaccine/s.

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This sounds like a lot more fun for flu protection than a jab: greenmedinfo.com/blog/daily...

mmm chocolate

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I have had hypothyroidism / Hashimoto's Autoimmune and never had the flu the vaccine.

I just had the flu vaccine this month. As I get the flu every year. So no it did not cause me to be hypothyroid or have immune problems. I think the environment did more than anything or having had the flu itself, along with genetics.

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