Why are the majority of doctors/endocrinologists poorly trained ? Why are many patients still in ill-health even when diagnosed and treated?

[shaws]

This is the reason why thousands of those of us who don't improve and cannot improve their health. The professionals keep making the same mistakes at the cost of patients' health worldwide.

hormonerestoration.com/Docs...

[Baobabs]

Brilliant and comprehensive article. Tried to see but not sure when it was written? I do hope someone who's got clout gets wind of this.

[shaws Administrator in reply to Baobabs]

You will see on this link that he can accept no more patients - no wonder as he treats the person whilst other doctors only by the TSH. Oh! for more doctors with common sense

hormonerestoration.com/inde...

Nearly all of our doctors who were trained in clinical symptoms alone have retired or were pursued for doing so, i.e. Dr Peatfield and Dr Skinner plus probably others we're unaware of.

Dr Linder is still in business:-

hormonerestoration.com/Eboo...

[Baobabs in reply to shaws]

The other articles on the site look interesting also. I've not heard of this chap before ...... American?

[shaws Administrator in reply to Baobabs]

Yes I believe American.

[Baobabs in reply to shaws]

So disgraceful. Bullying, nothing less. But why? Just so pharmaceutical companies can increase their power? It is just since having Hashi's that I realise the extent of their influence and disinterest in assisting health. It is on a par with a nuclear threat. It truly constitutes a war and an insidious one at that!

[greygoose in reply to Baobabs]

A patient cured is a customer lost!

[Baobabs in reply to shaws]

I wonder how current functional practitioners fair? I'm thinking of folk like Dr Rangan Chatterjee

[Lovecake in reply to Baobabs]

A Dr who appears to listen. I think he’s great. My GP visibly started turning into a brick wall when I asked about Hashimoto’s stuff. Thank goodness for sites like this and the chance to get T3 from Germany, even though I have to pay for the endo appointments too. Just on this a few days, so hoping will help balance my energy.

[Baobabs]

All the associated articles are dated 2018 so I assume this one is recent.

[fibrolinda]

Thank you shaws I have much reading to do and shouting 'yes' a lot as I do so.

Linda x

[diogenes Remembering]

I recently asked a young newly hatched GP from a good medical school how much teaching she had been given on endocrinology (not just thyroid mark you but ALL endocrinology). The answer was 11 hours. There are multiple aspects of this subject and one can imagine the perfunctory teaching of thyroid, which assumes it's easy and disposable in a short teaching period. She said this was a small part of the overall attention to the subject.

[shaws Administrator in reply to diogenes]

Diogenes,

No wonder patents are so frustrated and how many are still not recovered after years and years of levo especially those who don't have internet.

For instance - I take T3 only. I had gone to the doctor with a complaint not connected to hypo at all and he said we'll get a blood test. The one I had was in the p.m. (I had had a thyroid one a couple of weeks before).

I phoned to get the results (the doctor is mature and not newly qualified). He said "your TSH is too low, your T4 is really low and your T3 is too high. you have to reduce T3.

My response "but doctor you know I take T3 only and besides I was unaware I was having a blood test for thyroid hormones so results are skewed and I should have had test early a.m. not late p.m. TSH will be low or suppressed when T3 is the only hormone taken and T3 will be higher, and T4 will be negligible as none is taken". He says 'but T3 converts to T4".

I don't need to say any more.

I think the formation of an Endocrinologist should be for some of our members to be guinea pigs and also answer questions they put to us. A personal patient experience is far more informative than reading a few pages and passing an exam.

Those who are fine on levo will not be on this forum.

[shaws Administrator in reply to diogenes]

p.s. not one doctor, specialiast, private or otherwise diagnosed me. It was a first aider who suggested hypo when I was going onto a flight and needed assistance. I got one two days later and GP phoned and said come and get a prescription your TSH is 100 "who gave you the form"." I did" I responded. I also cried that I had a 'named diagnosis'. I didn't know from then on what an uphill battle was before me. I forgot to say I went straight to the A&E when I came off the flight and was discharged as 'probably viral with high cholesterol'. They didn't test TSH.

[greygoose]

The wonderful Dr Henry Lindner. Love that man.

[diogenes Remembering in reply to greygoose]

In the USA, doctors have much more freedom to prescribe than in this country. Whilst this is good, it also opens the door to quackery, for which there is a rich seam there. In the UK, medicine has become so defensive and frightened of potential litigation that any meaningful decisions to change things are either deferred altogether or subject to the most constipated, longdrawn out discussions and delays (viz T3 costs). The NHS is in many ways very good, but in administration it scores delta minus. One only has to look at the nonsense about medical cannabinoid oil and the heartlessness displayed by "sticking to the rule" instead of using common sense, until the patient concerned nearly died. Politicians should keep out of medical matters they don't understand. And it shouldn't take such dire circumstances to be needed before someone does something, and is allowed to do it.

[greygoose in reply to diogenes]

Totally agree!

[shaws Administrator in reply to diogenes]

If websites such as TUK and TPA have recommended doctors for thyroid conditions. Most private which means some cannot afford to consult them. There must be other illnesses where doctors can be recommended through a private message. I should suspect there's more than one person who's taken their own life. I know Lorraine Cleaver was on the brink. This was posted the other day and you may have read it.

tpauk.com/main/article/jacq...

[Fruitandnutcase]

Thanks Shaws, good information, bet the establishment / big pharma love Henry Linder MD! (Joke)

[shaws Administrator in reply to Fruitandnutcase]

We love doctors who are aware of all the pitfalls of hormone failures and support and prescribe what we need.

Not what is insisted upon when it makes us very unwell. Especially now that they've withdrawn both NDT and T3. Or those who don't believe us and state we have a 'somatoform' condition. I think we know to whom I'm referring regarding the last two words of the previous sentence..

[Fruitandnutcase in reply to shaws]

We do indeed!

[userotc]

I think those that oppose traditional medics are still seen as whacky. Hopefully that will change at least gradually despite Big Pharma but somehow it needs our support - something more than just moaning about it. Any ideas?

[shaws Administrator]

Become a member of Thyroiduk.org.uk as they are at the forefront and behind the scenes and there is a debate in Parliament about the withdrawal of T3 today and this is the link:-

healthunlocked.com/thyroidu...

It is a very slow procedure to reverse actions taken by the Professional Associations but it is we, the members on this forum who are at the mercy of their decisions.

[clubby29]

Hi, had a discussion with endo the other week about the t3 situation. I self med and he is ok with that, he also understands and dislikes the big pharmaceutical rip off of the NHS but he says his hands are tied all round. How it now works apparently is he goes to CCG makes a fuss, they say ok you can have t3 but we are not funding it. He then has to get permission from the hospital to spend money, they obviously say it’s too expensive no you can’t. On paper CCG hasn’t refused supply, nice little side shift.

[shaws Administrator in reply to clubby29]

I believe many GPs were instructed not to prescribe T3 and mine told me he could no longer and I assume if any other patients were taking it, they would also have been told they would no longer be prescribed. excerpt from TUK:

Following the NHS England 2017 consultation,“Items which should not routinely be

prescribed in primary care: a consultation on guidance for CCGs”, the NHS England

Board decided to continue NHS prescription of liothyronine for those patients who

cannot be adequately treated by levothyroxine but stated that it should only be

prescribed in secondary care (4) even though, prior to the NHS consultation,

liothyronine was prescribed by many doctors in primary care without any problems.

There is,however, abundant evidence that some CCGs are effecting a blanket policy banning liothyronine in both primary and secondary care, possibly due to the fact that the NHS England Board decision is an ambiguously worded statement, open to misinterpretation.

This is having a serious impact on the health of patients. Divisions are emerging between those areas where prescription is continuing -a postcode lottery

(see Appendix A -CCG Policy on Liothyronine).

thyroiduk.org.uk/tuk/campai...