Thyroid gallbladder pain

[Nanny23]

Gallbladder pain all the time and tests come negative. I am hypothyroid and have had ulcers also have Barrett’s esophagus caused by silent gerd. Even though treatment for ulcers cured ulcers treatment for Barrett’s esophagus has not been successful because I still have pain in my stomach on right side severe at times. Dr. says it’s gallbladder pain but sonogram shows no stones. Any suggestions what this is from? Thanks

[Nanny23]

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[Clarrisa]

Some people develop what they call “sludge” or gallstone sludge in their biliary tract. I wonder if acupuncture could help with that(?). If you have taken a fall on that side & forgotten about it you could have developed a “trigger point” around the area (that a Physical Therapist could locate & help treat). I had discomfort to the right midline area that prevented sleep. It was only alleviated after going on a low oxalate meal plan. This indicated the pain was referred from the kidney. This pain that I endured for months was relieved within two weeks of reducing oxalates (& decreasing salt, & increasing fluids).

I’m confused how your stomach pain would present on the right side. Could there be some nerve irritation going on? Those are my best guesses. Hope you are feeling better soon.

Does your pain change in relation to meals? Please let us know how the magnesium advocacy group goes or what you find helps out with your pain.

[Nanny23 in reply to Clarrisa]

Thanks so much for answering. Appreciate all the help from this wonderful forum

[Annkapp]

The Barrett’s esophagus is likely caused by low stomach acid. Stomach acid is what triggers the sphincter to close and if there is not enough it won’t close like it should. Try taking some Betain HCL and Pepsin with meals to increase stomach acid. You will need to start low and increase with each meal until you find what works best for you.

There are several reasons why you may have low stomach acid. Could be mineral deficiencies or in your case I suspect H. pylori because of Ulcers. I will post some info on H Pylori. Increasing your stomach acids may also help with the H pylori.

I also had problems with gallbladder though no pain. Had all kinds of tests done which found nothing. Started taking ox bile and Lypase for fat digestion and it solved most of my problems.

And hypothyroidism contributes to all of this so getting that within normal ranges is key.

[Nanny23 in reply to Annkapp]

I can’t take BETAIN HCL because it says in the bottle to not take if you have ulcers. I did buy some but had to stop when I discovered ulcers. My dr. Tested for h pylori and it was negative. I have noticed since my diagnosis with hypothyroidism my stomach problems are much worse. Was actually surprised I had Barrett’s esophagus because they were looking to see if ulcer healed and found that. I will look Oxylate free diet as I’m not sure what that is. I still think h pylori could be the problem even though tested negative. Digestive issues are so confusing. Thankyou so much fo your help

[Clarrisa in reply to Nanny23]

Oxalates are found it most foods. Lowering them basically boils down to avoiding foods that contain the highest levels when possible. Soy & most beans are high. All nuts are high. Whole wheat products are high. Spinach is very high. There are numerous lists online. If oxalates are adding to your problem, you may be able to tell as I was able to in only two weeks time after cutting down on them. I had been eating Spanish peanuts so it was a easy fix.

[Annkapp]

What causes H. pylori infections?

It’s still not known exactly how H. pylori infections spread. The bacteria have coexisted with humans for many thousands of years. The infections are thought to spread from one person’s mouth to another. They may also be transferred from feces to the mouth. This can happen when a person does not wash their hands thoroughly after using the bathroom. H. pylori can also spread through contact with contaminated water or food.

The bacteria are believed to cause stomach problems when they penetrate the stomach’s mucous lining and generate substances that neutralize stomach acids. This makes the stomach cells more vulnerable to the harsh acids. Stomach acid and H. pylori together irritate the stomach lining and may cause ulcers in your stomach or duodenum, which is the first part of your small intestine.

What are the symptoms of H. pylori infection?

Most people with H. pylori don’t have any symptoms.

When the infection leads to an ulcer, symptoms may include abdominal pain, especially when your stomach is empty at night or a few hours after meals. The pain is usually described as a gnawing pain, and it may come and go.

A number of other symptoms may be associated with H. pylori infection, including:

excessive burping

feeling bloated

nausea

heartburn

fever

lack of appetite, or anorexia

unexplained weight loss.

[Annkapp]

How did they test for the H pylori? I would certainly retest because that is one thing that would explain both reflux (a indicator of low stomach acid) and ulcers.

Perhaps you should try a different type of test instead of repeating the same one.

[Nanny23 in reply to Annkapp]

It was a breath test. It would explain a lot. Dr. Was surprised it wasn’t positive

[ndstephens49]

I had a gall bladder problem for years and none of the usual tests showed anything. Finally a test called HIDA SCAN (in US) was done that showed a non functioning gall bladder with s very low ejection fraction. I had an endoscopic gall bladder removal which solved the problem.

Nancy in West Virginia

[Nanny23]

Wow sounds like me. Tests they have done show nothing but I continue to have symptoms. Thanks for responding.

[Annkapp]

Important! I would do whatever you can to save your gallbladder. Your gallbladder is necessary though the doctors talk like it isn’t. If you have your gallbladder removed you must then take ox bile (aka bile acids, bile salts) and Lypase enzymes which the doctors also fail to tell you.

The gall bladder stores bile which is produced by the liver so when you eat fats you have enough bile to breakdown and digest fats. This also includes the digestion and absorption of fat soluble vitamins A, D, K and E. Note fats are key for good brain function and hormone production.

Once the gallbladder is removed you will have constant bile dripping (because no where to store). Which causes some people problems like very soft stools/ diarrhea and other side effects.

Be sure you know all the consequences before having gallbladder removal!

As I mentioned in my earlier text I have had gallbladder problems yet doctors told me there was no problems. Had blood test, a contrast scan of my digestive system and a scope of esophagus, stomach and first part of my small intestine. Doc said if Betain HCL, Pepsin, ox bile and enzymes made me feel better than it is okay to take them even though he said they were not necessary. They did in fact help with some of my symptoms.

I also learned I needed to work on the health of my liver by doing gentle detox. Coffee enemas and/ or NAC (glutathione precursor) 600 mg 2x day between meals along with a second product containing either Milk thistle or sulphuraphane (spelling?). NAC supports phase 1 of liver detox and either of the other two support phase 2 of liver detox.

You also need to work on increasing all minerals and vitamins because you probably have had digestion and malabsorption issues for awhile. Focus on getting some good fat soluble vitamins since those were likely effected the most. The minerals help with getting the correct ph for digestion and enzyme production. Minerals key to many functions are magnesium and zinc.

Again hypothyroidism effects digestion!

You need to have good thyroid function to have everything functioning well for digestion. Hormones (including thyroid hormones) are more powerful than vitamins and minerals (unless you have an extreme deficiency in something) in the short term. By this I mean you may get quicker results by making sure your thyroid function is in a good range. This also includes your other hormones like progesterone, cortisol, etc. Understand that hormones are a signaling mechanism. You need to have signals to tell the body what to do.

One more thing- have you had genetic testing done? It is not that uncommon to have a genetic weakness for processing B9 and B12 in which case you would need to take a special form (methyltetrahydrofolate and methylcobalamin). Note these vitamins are critical to many processes in the body. One of the tests for B9 pathway is called MTHFR.

[Nanny23 in reply to Annkapp]

I did 23 and me and only came up with one variant for macula degeneration. Don’t know how accurate that is. I do take vitamin D magnesium zinc selenium b-complex and co Q10. Thanks for all your help. Just trying to get to bottom of this. It’s taking years. Very frustrating.

[Annkapp in reply to Nanny23]

Yes it has taken me years too. I am finally getting somewhere. Keep on looking for your root cause!

[Annkapp]

If you do the Detox method using NAC + Milk thistle or sulfuraphane/ Glucoraphanin you need to make sure you are having bowel movements everyday. The toxins will only recirculate through you body if they aren’t eliminated through your urine and stools.

[Annkapp]

I have the feeling you did not get most of your genetic information from 23andme.

Did you download the raw data file and then read it with a service such as LiveWello? If you did not than you have not seen your genetic information. If you need help into getting to the info I can give you instructions.

Here is the link to LiveWello.

livewello.com/