Slightly disappointed to read eggs are “public enemy no1 “ for hindering thyroid repair.
New book just out on healing thyroid - links illness to EB virus.
A very radical new way for me at looking at the issue.
Will have to now think what implications are ...loads and loads of fresh advice
Danielj1,
Any chance of knowing what book this is? Who is the author?
“Thyroid healing truth behind “...you can buy on amazon book 3 in his health series
At least he is all for celery juice drinks 🌝
Still shocked over eggs and yoghurt though I really like them both !
Well, either live yoghurt or kefir is great for gut health, which you need, and eggs are full of good fats, B vitamins etc - so I'm really not sure where his research comes from. I hate celery as it tastes so salty - esp when juiced - I feel as though I need to drink another gallon to offset it (perhaps that's the point). It's odd, as I like salt.
I eat a yoghurt every day! I am going to buy the book. Fed up my doctors don’t know anything. Merry Christmas x
Afraid I have no time for the author or his books:
Medical Medium Thyroid Healing: The Truth behind Hashimoto's, Graves', Insomnia, Hypothyroidism, Thyroid Nodules & Epstein-Barr Hardcover – 7 Nov 2017
by Anthony William (Author)
He certainly gets some positive reviews on Amazon, but the negatives are pretty harsh:
The worst book I have ever purchased. This was clearly not written by a medical doctor and it is scary that this author can give medical advice to people who are desperate to find a solution for actual medical conditions. Shame to the doctor who endorsed this book, as it gives the false sense of security to individuals who do not know any better. Please do not buy this book.
amazon.co.uk/Medical-Medium...
It would appear that John Crace is tuned into my spirit:
theguardian.com/books/2016/...
humanbean Hidden
I think the book concerned is this one :
amazon.co.uk/Medical-Medium...
I can't understand why anyone would want to take advice from someone who described themselves as a medium.
Having read the celebrity reviews, I'd run a mile from this author and his books.
But, but, but, he is a MEDICAL medium HB 
I'll wait until he becomes a medical well-above-average - medium just doesn't cut it for me
Exactly!
I wouldn't even trust a medical small, to be honest, Silver_Fairy !
That’s fine - but if there are issues with provision of NHS advice where do we all turn?
Danielj1,
There are numerous other sources:
Thyroid Manager
Papers by diogenes et al.
Thyroid UK website
With selection, there are many helpful papers indexed on PubMed - with some available in PubMed Central
Lack of good NHS guidance doesn't seem, to me, to be a reason to grab anything floating around out there. In some ways, it makes it even more important to identify good guidance.
i dont know a lot about thyroid but i m kinda maniac to believe that clean foods like eggs and Greek yogurt are healthy and nutritious and i do not think they can harm thyroid.But what is the reason that they can hindering thyroid repair?do they contain something that is bad?
This is all I could come up with
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articl...
As for dairy - we are the only mammal who drinks/eats another's milk and the unhealthy way the cattle are kept probably doesnt do much for the 'healthiness' of the product (yes I drink milk, eat cheese, butter etc!)
Well, most of the lactose is removed from kefir and live yoghurt - so should only be an issue if it's casein intolerance
The TRUTH behind Hashimoto's, Graves', Insomnia, Hypothyroidism, Thyroid Nodules & Epstein-Barr
That's rather a large claim, isn't it? What the hell is a 'medical medium', anyway?
Well, all I can say is : even vegans get thyroid problems!
OK, I've read the blurb, I now know what a medical medium is.
"Within the first three minutes of speaking with me, Anthony precisely identified my medical issue!"
I did that with someone on Facebook, without even seeing her. It's not that difficult if you ask the right questions - and know the answers - and lead the conversation in the right direction. Not impressed.
So, what exactly is supposed to be wrong with eggs?
Oh no! I never knew this. I came from an egg. I'm doomed, along with the entire animal kingdom.
My parents had chicken and ducks we were brought up on eggs. My parents lived to be 92 and 99 years old with no thyroid problems!
Danielj1 , I know how tempting it is to try just about anything in the pursuit of wellness. But taking more and more foods off the menu probably isn’t going to help - not when you consider that folk with thyroid issues already tend to have nutrient absorption issues.
Have you ever googled “orthorexia”?
Indeed !
The degree of contradictions in the advice given to the general public is extra ordinary imvho.
Joking apart there are some very imporrant messages in this book.
So much of the current paradigm is broken - witness the stream of horror stories on this website.
Some of the observations in the book are well made and it would be foolish to dismiss them.
I will write up the serious review over the next week on the basis that he articulates Some important insights that need to be aired.
I suspect some views will be strongly contested - but we are all adults as they say 
I am tempted to put up some of these now but having sung some lovely Christmas carols now is the time for peace and festivities ....
Compare everything he says to what Ray Peat advises and then listen to Ray Peat. raypeat.com/
Sure, I am following the great man as best I can. I still think there is some sense in what I am reading in this other book.
Oh, good, I really don't know the other author but I know Peat is reliable. Egg yolks contain choline but I know people have a problem with the whites of the eggs.
emaxhealth.com/13638/removi...
Better put than I could have done ...the book I am reading wants you to keep fat levels low in your blood - will give the fullest details later but seems to accord with much of this ...
This link is not from book - just someone posting what I see as a similar line of logic to make the point over eggs. Just to be clear.
I dunno, putting eggs along with wheat, soy, etc. just doesn't seem right. I'll look closer tomorrow.
I thought fat levels in blood were raised by eating carbs and sugar.
I tend to take everything with a pinch of salt but we are what we are and that can vary very much with the individual. I have read that dairy isn't brilliant for us but after a food intolerance test I found out dairy was best for me. The following week I was on a cruise so no cooking or shopping but waited on! I desired to eat according to my intolerance testing. So a rather ancient, overweight individual arrived with huge swollen ankles after the flight unable to get into any of the shoes I'd bought other than sandals and the thin straps cutting into my flesh. Next day at sea do feet up and the odd stroll around the ship. Getting sandals on was agony but I wasn't going to miss anything so next day first trip! My son was concerned I'd picked just about all the more strenuous outings and I said no probs done most of them before, neglected to mention that was 42 years before but even I was shocked once I realised that. So coach to Olympia and the site was even bigger now! But I was fine until the hill back to the coach! All the other sites dropped off at the top and picked up at the lower end but this was walk down hill so of course walk up hill and that I found hard but I kept stopping to admire the view! The rest of the holiday was wonderful. Could slip the sandals on more easily as the days past. I had energy if not had for years and I was eating well but not eating because the food was there! I must have been the only person who had lost weight! The secret when I thought itcout, cheese omelette for breakfast! Then realised mostly dairy generally.
Don't do than. Ow but try to eat along the same lines and it works for me. So don't close your eyes to certain things but try to work out what works for you personally. I also have a brassica problem so eat very little vegetables but I make sure I get my vitamins tested and supplement where needed.
I'm glad you aren't letting anything stop you. It sounds like a beautiful second trip 42 years apart, haha.
Thanks for the link
In the autoimmune paleo diet , they suggest removal of eggs for 30 days. The whites of the egg can act as a carrier for substances that shouldn’t cross the gut lining barrier. If you have Leaky gut/ digestion issues, it could be significant.
Good to know it’s not the eggs themselves. After 30 days testing can tell if you tolerate either or both parts of the egg.
The autoimmune paleo diet is a game changer and in the 2-3 weeks I managed it, I lost weight and required much less NDT.
I’m waiting for Christmas to be over and will try it again.
Thanks for that as I was not aware.
I do not really follow the AIP diet as I have joined the Ray Peat bandwagon. What about it do you think is most helpful to you ?
I found the science behind the AIP in Dr Sarah Balentynes book compelling. The elimination phase simply removes those foodstuffs with the best evidence, and largest number of reactions in the general population. Having done that it is much easier to judge for yourself how you react to different foods and food categories. And reintroductions are divided into 4 groups with group one the least risk of reaction. Given that the jury is out on testing for allergies and intolerances I have found this the most systematic approach. Given how subtle some reactions can be it is worth doing if you continue to have gut issues or symptoms that simply linger for no good reason.
But like everything suggested here, you need to do your own research and understand why it might be helpful or otherwise for you. And be committed.
I absolutely swear by the Paleo Diet. It changed my life... removed all of my mental health symptoms
I have been eating a lot of eggs last 12 months and feeling like a crazy energetic bunny. I have to bet my teammates to play with me after 2 hours badminton. what gives?
Me too and I feel great, bit I only eat eggs from our own hens.
What should I quit first, chicken or egg?
“I’m not anti egg and they have nutrition that works for some people. It’s just that when you have any thyroid condition the problematic aspects of eggs outweigh the benefits.”
“Doesn’t matter if organic or free range”
“When you swayed to indulge....while you’re working to get your health back, stay away from them”
“Too food to avoid”
So the mantra needs to be to all newbies no gluten, dairy and eggs ie not just the first 2. Heh ho.
Are if you want to know about that. read Tom Holt's "Life, liberty and the pursuit of sausages", which goes into which came first in great detail. Caution: novel, not text book
No doubt there is some truth in his books amongst a load of rubbish from the ether.
Fact we are even having a discussion about all this is frankly ludicrous - information understanding about auto-immune should not require us to term into internet research scientists 
livestrong.com/article/4795...
To follow up on Ray Peat stuff - does the Arachidonic acid in eggs create inflammation or not. That is the question given we are all in the market for inflammation reduction products?
I eat eggs 3/4 times every week, organic of course and feel great with no thyroid.
I eat one free range egg everyday. Whether I have a thyroid issue or not, I don't really know.
He does say eggs work for some people and if you don’t have a thyroid issue they’re absolutely fine.
Hmm, organic, free range eggs are full of good nutrition. And I'm a vegan!
I think I would want to see other sources recommend giving up eggs (citing studies) before cutting something like eggs out. I guess at least you could experiment yourself by cutting out egg for a bit, doing an antibody test, then reintroducing egg for a bit and doing another antibody test, but you would have to know that the only dietary change was to reintroduce the eggs.
I am always a bit skeptical of advice endorsed by Gwyneth Paltrow though. Might just be a personal thing...
WHAT'S EB STAND FOR.
Epstein Barr virus - the
Idea is that all thyroid issues originally are derived from a virus that is still with us.
Jack678m,
Have a Christmas present , my Abbreviations and Acronyms document:
Perhaps the Big Pharma are behind this theory about eggs? No doubt Big Pharma were behind the Eat Low Fat fiasco. Was that a decade ago? It left millions with depression and mental health symptoms. Our bodies need and crave cholesterol - go watch Dr John Bergman's youtubes.
What on Earth is an EB virus?
RufusRuffcut123,
Have a Christmas present , my Abbreviations and Acronyms document:
It’s EBV. Epstein-Barr Virus.
I bought his first book out of desperation, which is how these people get most of their business. Isn't it funny how God only gives these miraculous "gifts" to people who decide to set about making millions from them?
Personally I am suspicious in more general health terms about eggs though. An old friend of mine worked on an organic farm and ate loads of eggs because they were free and plentiful. She died from a sudden aggressive form of ovarian cancer - which if nothing else intervenes is the most common cause of death for egg laying hens too. It did make me wonder. But as long as someone's diet is moderate, it's probably not very high a danger. And an occasional egg must be a better choice than something highly processed.
Gentleorange, where did you get the info on common cause of death in egg laying hens please?
Hi, I couldn't give you any specific articles, I looked at all this over a decade ago, but if you google "ovarian cancer egg link" it will give you some results. I believe there were some studies done on prostate cancer and egg consumption too. The biggest one was refuted, but apparently the counter-study was funded by a dairy (and egg) company, so make of that what you will...
The reason I asked is that I can not find anything that states there is a link. blog.aicr.org/2016/08/01/he...
The above link is what I found and was just last year.
My personal view is that PUFA is the single biggest issue out there at the moment. Of far more signinificance to thyroid recovery than gluten and dairy.
If you are managing the amount of PUFA across your diet then fine - but so far pretty much most of Ray Peats guidance has been spot on for me - he is even nervous over fish oil pills due to PUFA - almost any quantity is too much.
And if you are thinking of fresh salmon then don’t go there due to the oil in the fish - strictly protein like beef only.
Everything in moderation - I don’t really rely on eggs so the few I have won’t count for much, our kids love them of course.
Anyway time for me to shut up - some great feedback and i have learnt a lot more from everyone’s comments. Thank you!
I will be eggstatically interested now in all future eggs research about health. I am not sure DM newspaper plugging today how good eggs are as a super food counts though....
in spite of his name, he does have rather a track record of healing people. having said that, he also says, you cut out these foods while you are healing, and then you can reintroduce when you are well. I've been following some of his advice. i feel better using his guidelines than not...i was actually off my meds for a week, (i take straight t-3) because i was traveling and forgot them, and was able to function well. I credit the diet. food for thought, and it costs nothing to try. ymmv
Well got some further thoughts on eggs. Another controversial point though-I think it's the iodine I may be craving! In recent years there was a hint of a suggestion from an endocrinologist whose mantra I don't subscribe to but the suggestion was that maybe I've never had a thyroid problem before but was low in iodine and given thyroid meds! Not reversable after 30+ years but I'd often wondered myself. I don't have antibodies and I have been encouraged to add kelp in years gone by so may be I should get my iodine levels checked! Eggs are high in iodine! But thyroid wise I'm feeling good! Whenever I experience a blip though I have cheese omelette cooking in coconut oil.
New here, no previous thyroid issues, no meds. Need help as had tests and they are weird.
Am I now Hyper?
Am i Hyperthyroid
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