bovine thyroid extract

[Lucy1000]

I have been reading Izabella Wentz. She wrote about a product called Thyrtophin PMG. I don't recall reading about this in any of the posts, but then I haven't been reading for long. Does anyone know about this product?

[Clutter]

Lucy1000, I've not seen it discussed on the forum and Search only brings up your post.

[rosetrees]

Here it is standardprocess.com/Product...

Sounds as if it might be similar to Nutri Thryoid, which also contains bovine thyroid extract. Dr P told me that NT is a weaker form of NDT (Natural dessicated thyroid - a porcine product). So, depending on how bad your thyroid problem is, you might have to take a lot to see a good result.

Just thought. Thyrogold is more widely taken and I think is also a bovine product.

[Lucy1000 in reply to rosetrees]

It's not very expensive, but if it's not helpful....have you tried Thyrodgold? As Izabella Wentz explains it, a person would take Thyrtophin to distract the antibodies from attacking the thyroid by acting as decoys not so much for thyroid support. I just wondered if anyone here had tried it.

[Lucy1000]

I had the impression that Izabella Wentz was suggesting the product could act as a decoy to distract antibodies. It's an attractive concept, but I wondered about the proof. She didn't mention T3 but I did find a debate about similar products the substance of which was: if they contain thyroid tissue, they contain thyroid hormones. I was just looking for someone who might have experience with the product.

[Lucy1000]

A decoy for antibodies - that was the benefit Izabella Wentz was suggesting.

[marvalrus in reply to Lucy1000]

This is exactly what the guy in the video said. I did post that here, maybe a few weeks ago.

[patpj]

It is a supplement. You can google it. Pure Formulas carries it. You can view the ingredients and read some reviews there. PureFormulas.com

[Lucy1000]

I don't want to participate in an argument - just curious to know if anyone has taken it and if it had been helpful. It seems that Melanie has...though it appears with a different intention than I read about. It seems no one else has?

[Diberg]

Maybe from Standard Process?

[Treepie]

Knowledge is power it is said ,but there is something of arrogance in Melanies responses that rather detracts from the discussion.Did i notice a Scottish turn of phrase ? Might explain it.

[diogenes Remembering]

If this helps the (rather heated) discussion here is a study on Thyrortrophin PMG's usefulness or otherwise (title, authors and abstract in full):

Ann Pharmacother. 1992 Apr;26(4):492-4.

Evaluation of two over-the-counter natural thyroid hormone preparations in human volunteers.

Csako G1, Corso DM, Kestner J, Bokser AD, Kennedy PE, Pucino F.

Author information

Abstract

OBJECTIVE:

To determine the pharmacologic activity of over-the-counter (OTC) thyroid preparations.

DESIGN:

In vitro analysis and a prospective, crossover study in vivo.

SETTING:

Tertiary care center.

PARTICIPANTS:

Two healthy adult volunteers.

INTERVENTION:

Three OTC preparations (Thyrotrophin PMG [bovine thyroid PMG extract], Thyro Forte [thyroid lymphogland concentrate with synergistic complex], and Thyro Complex [thyroid lyophilized gland concentrate with synergistic complex]) were analyzed in vitro. Volunteers were administered two times the manufacturer's maximum recommended daily dose of either Thyrotrophin PMG or Thyro Forte for one week, washed out for four to five weeks, and crossed over to receive the opposite tablet preparation for an additional week.

MAIN OUTCOME MEASURES:

The triiodothyronine (T3) and thyroxine (T4) contents of OTC preparations were measured by HPLC. Vital signs, serum total and free T4, total T3, thyroid stimulating hormone, thyroxine binding globulin, thyroglobulin, and general chemistry tests (including glucose and cholesterol) were monitored before, during, and between administration of the products.

RESULTS:

HPLC analysis of the three OTC preparations showed no T4 but did show possible T3 in two of these products. We found no definite clinical or laboratory evidence of thyroid hormone excess with either product.

CONCLUSIONS:

Healthcare professionals should advise against the use of these scientifically unsound and relatively expensive OTC thyroid preparations, of which the therapeutic efficacy is unknown.

T3 content only POSSIBLY present. Hope you can download the whole text.

[Lucy1000 in reply to diogenes]

But...I think the intention of taking it, according to Izabella Wentz, is to act as a decoy for antibodies. So the T3/T4 argument is not really the issue. I would also imagine that a response might be individual, so a large study would have to be done. Just two people isn't very conclusive - for antibodies. It looks like there hasn't been much experimentation with these supplements among the readers here. Apart from Melanie. But she wasn't very specific about how she thought it was helping. I wonder if it just made her feel better, or if she had observed some changes in her antibody levels.

[diogenes Remembering in reply to Lucy1000]

The trouble is that I don't know what in these products is acting as a decoy. Human autoantibodies against human tissue like thyroid won't necessarily recognise animal material so I can't see how the decoy is supposed to work.

[Lucy1000 in reply to diogenes]

Well, that is a good point. What I had imagined is that there was thyroid tissue of a sort floating around in the body that would keep the antibodies busy attacking tissue that is not your own thyroid tissue. But this is admittedly a simplistic view. In the end, the proof is in how you feel and what your labs say which is what I was hoping to find out - if anyone had experienced benefit from such supplements.

[SilverAvocado in reply to diogenes]

Diogenes,

I notice in the list of measures they took of the volunteers freeT3 is notably absent, even though they were monitoring quite a list of things.

Do you know why this is? Is fT3 not well thought of in some circles? On this board it's considered to be the most important test, so was wondering if that's a quite controversial view.

[diogenes Remembering in reply to SilverAvocado]

They did measure total T3 which for most average people approximates to an extrapolated measure of FT3. In the US at that time FT3 was hardly ever done - why not, I can't truly answer you except to suggest a "not invented here" mentality common in the USA. Even now it's a minority test there. The idea was to see if anything changed in the parameters measured, and none did.

[marvalrus]

Yes and I've been wondering about it, too and can't find much on it. I recently saw a video where a Chiro (that I've actually seen) talked about thyroid problems. He spoke about the liver conversion, and then went on to adrenals creating an autoimmune issue in the thyroid. For Hashimoto's he said to take one pill of Thyrotrophin PMG nightly before bed. In the lymph nodes of your stomach, this pill will act as a decoy for the antibodies to the thyroid, and they will gradually be eliminated through the gut. I was bewildered as I've never heard of this anywhere else! I too have asked around about Thyrotrophin. I even told my doc about it and she said that was a new one on her. I've located bits and pieces of it, I read some scant reviews here and there, and people loved it. On FaceBook I spoke about it and one girl responded and said she took it for two years and her antibodies are now around Zero! I'm dumbfounded and rather stumped as you just don't hear much about this.

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