Yes - hypoT does that too, it seems. I was just gazing mournfully into the mirror when I spotted that the tissue round some teeth seemed to be retracting in a dismally ageing way...
Could that possibly be related to the thyroid, I wondered.
And... yes. ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/222...
Indirectly related to thyroid. Shrinking gums are usually due to low HGH. You need T3 to produce HGH, and you need HGH to convert T4 to T3, so...
Thanks GG. This is a complex subject, isn't it? It looks as though hypothyroid's effects go beyond HGH.
I've just been looking at Mone's study, 2014, which found the protein coding gene IL6 to be significantly higher in the saliva of both hypos and hypers, and TNF alpha, the cell signalling protein involved in inflammation, also higher in saliva in hyper and hypo. (They were both higher in serum too, so I would guess the saliva is a knock on.) The study's conclusion is that thyroid dysfunction impacts on both these, and they are both known to affect osteoclast differentiation. "Alveolar bone resorption is the most important clinical parameter used to assess the severity of periodontal disease."
It looks as though hypers might get slightly worse disease than hypos.
It is very clear that you have to treat the thyroid disease to help keep the teeth.
I doubt many dentists would know this.
Too right they Don't! The arguements I've had with dentists! Much the same as doctors, really.
Very interesting, thanks for the link. I have this problem. Various dentists have said it's my fault for brushing my teeth too hard. 
HB, ask Santa for an electric sonic toothbrush. 20+ years ago my gums were in bad nick and 2 months after using a sonic they were so improved my dentist started recommending it to other patients.
me too....I brush too hard, and too long, and too much....My mom made me do it 
I have a really soft tooth brush! I agree hormones could play a roll, because they affect everything...Yes, a very crappy diet certainly would affect your teeth too...Genetics too...I have really nice teeth(so did my Mom),but she ended up at 90 with all her teeth, but no back teeth. My Mom brushed her teeth hard, with a hard toothbrush...and for a longggg time at the sink!
Well, either you brush to much or you Don't brush enough. You brush to hard or you Don't brush hard enough, you brush too often or you Don't brush often enough. Your toothbrush is wrong, your toothpaste is wrong... To dentists, brushing is the be all and end all of teeth! They know nothing about nutrition, nothing about hormones... Does that sound familiar, or is it just me? lol
I have osteoporosis, and shrinking gums comes with that.
My dentist was very worried about my receding gums because he said my oral hygiene was impeccable. Check up after check up he commented on the gums , and then....
I started self injecting B12 earlier this year, and after only a few months, my gums are clearly coming back.
Whoah! That's interesting. So there are also many factors playing into this which are associated with hypothyroidism, like iron and B12 deficiency.
Here's a study to back up your experience.
This is just an extract, because I know most people don't have time to read full studies.
"Acute or chronic nutritional deficiencies have been reported to be related to some periodontal disturbances. Several animal and human studies have documented different vitamins related to oral and periodontal disturbances. For example, the historical disease scurvy causes a vitamin C deficiency that results in gingivitis with hyperplasia, gingival bleeding and enamel hypoplasia. Vitamin D deficiency has been reported to result in osteoporosis in the alveolar bone.In addition, it is not surprising to observe either glossitis or gingivitis with deficiencies of the vitamin B complex. Significant ulcerative lesions and gingivitis and glossitis are the typical findings with folic acid deficiency. With replacement therapy, these findings are expected to be reversible.
Vitamin B12 is one of the most common nutrients, the lack of which not only causes oral lesions, but also significant systemic disturbances. Some of these may be irreversible if not properly treated. Atrophic glossitis with paresthesia, burning or purities sensation in buccal mucosa, taste alterations, denture intolerance, recurrent ulcers and cheilitis are the common oral manifestations of vitamin B12 deficiency. However, these findings are not exclusive to vitamin B12. All these symptoms are also common in anemia of iron deficiency related to oral manifestations.
Thanks for that. I thought that it was too much of a coincidence not to be related to the B12 injections.
Also is there a vitamin D connection too Aspamama. I have a friend who's gums were making her teeth loose, several had to come out, but since taking vitamin D3 for joints and knee pain, she also noticed her teeth seem to be sitting in their sockets better, not so loose, we wondered about the D3 and laughed about it, but maybe the D3 has helped.
I would bet you are right, Coastwalker, and this is also an important factor.
The evidence so far seems to be mainly "association" but it is summarised here.
vitamindcouncil.org/health-...
Not surprised Aspmama, I'm sure I knew about this before, but have a 2 second memory like a fish which is is NOT down to brain fog.
Thanks for the quick link to vitamindcouncil.
My friend gets dark skinned just looking at the sun and has been on 5000iu D3 (+K2) for quite a while.
She'll wish she'd known about D3 sooner.
I agree Coastwalker, the long term memory problems are different from the brain fog. (Incidentally a friend tells me adding a bit of dessicated thyroid to her levo removed her brain fog.)
And different again from working memory, I can't do sums in my head at all now - just can't hold the information in order to manipulate the numbers.
And I bet all this links to the thyroid.
Can this be linked to me being hypothyroid Lol but ever since yahoo updated my email account this forum is in English but the headlines are in Spanish! I clicked on my icon at HealthUnlocked and the drop down box is all in Spanish.! I can assure everyone that I am not in Spain (I have just looked out of my window to check the weather) I am definitely in England!!
Sorry to be off topic but very confused can anyone shed some light on this please?
This happened to me once win_4ever, but sorry I can't remember what I did to get it back to English - damn this poor memory!
After brushing, I rinse my mouth with 3% hydrogen peroxide for 1 minute, in the morning, and at night after brushing, especially before bed. It has helped my gums immensely.
Exhaustion after tooth extraction
How long does Levo stay in the system?
Vitamin d and the sunshine
