Flouride - how bad is it for the Thyroid?

[Kitten-whiskers]

Do I need to go as far as sticking with the flouride free toothpaste forever and to avoid Tea completely?

[HappySoul]

I've just changed to flouride free toothpaste, after reading this article:

masteringhashimotos.com/the...

Hope it helps!

[Kitten-whiskers in reply to HappySoul]

Hello HappySoul,

Thats a great report and has answered my question. Thank you very much

[Marz]

...try to keep out the SLS too - Sodium Laurel Sulphate to make it frothy ! I believe it is a derivative from the petro-chemical industry. Fluoride - a toxic bi-product from the aluminium industry. We sure live in a charming world full of nonsense....

[Kitten-whiskers in reply to Marz]

Thank you Marz, I have made a note of that as well. It is shocking what goes in our food today, it's no wonder we are very poorly

[puncturedbicycle]

I know we accept that fluoride is bad for the thyroid (I too use fluoride-free toothpaste) but I've been unable to find any evidence to prove that this is true. My dentist has uat as well and when I told her about the fluoride thing she showed interest in reading more, so I looked for some study I could send her and failed to find any. So perhaps it is more anecdotal than proven - ? (I should also say I'm not a scientist, so my understanding of and ability to interpret what I read in that area is less than comprehensive!)

If anyone knows about the science behind this I'd be grateful for more info (still hoping to show my dentist so I can back up my decision to stop using fluroride).

[Marz in reply to puncturedbicycle]

Maybe do a search on PubMed - there seems to be quite a bit there but didn't read any.... also Fluoride was a treatment given to people with over-active thyroids in days gone by....so it does suppress activity....

[puncturedbicycle in reply to Marz]

Thanks Marz. I did (there are hundreds, maybe thousands, so I can't claim to have read them all) but didn't find anything.

I've heard that about using it as a treatment but that treatment isn't supported by any evidence I can find.

[Marz in reply to puncturedbicycle]

fannz.org.nz/whatswrong.php - maybe this will help - just had a quick look and saw it mentioned dentists ! Evidence based stuff is often skewed and the good stuff rarely gets into the public domain. That is a changing !

[Hidden in reply to puncturedbicycle]

Quick search found these articles:-

probably not enough evidence - but refers to the Merck index.

fluoridealert.org/issues/he...

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/103...

Meanwhile Vitamin D helped my teeth - no fillings for 2 years!

My take on flouride is that you have to have a dodgy thyroid to begin with, another thing is not being able to get rid of toxins like ordinary folk - whether it's just 'cos everything slows down, or no sweating or other things in the mix - just my thoughts (well, if they're not allowed to spray it on fields I don't know how they can add it to water and toothpaste!) J

[puncturedbicycle in reply to Hidden]

Thanks spareribs! I had a quick look - it's just the sort of thing I was looking for - but I'll have a closer read later to see if there's anything obvious she might dispute! xx

[susymac]

My last dentist, refused to believe there is anything wrong with using fluoride rich toothpaste, she even tried to give me a prescription for it despite my telling her I had thyroid issues and that fluoride was bad for it. She then told me she too has thyroid issues and has no problem using ordinary toothpaste.

... I changed dentist (she wasnt very good anyway lol)

[Kitten-whiskers in reply to susymac]

Hello Susymac,

I must admit I haven't mentioned it to my dentist, I have had enough of dealing with Docs without getting a double dose with the dentist. I have been using Flouride free toothpaste for about 7 months, but it doesn't seem to be as good as Flouride rich toothpastes, that's why I asked if it was important to avoid it and it is now clear that I must avoid Flouride. Glad you found a better dentist

[helvella Administrator Thyroid UK]

Some non-stick coating is based on polytetrafluoroethylene which contains fluorine atoms covalently bonded. Fluoride is the negatively charged F- ion.

Very different to each other.

Not all non-stick pan coatings have any form of fluorine or fluoride.

Rod

[helvella Administrator Thyroid UK]

As Aluminium is the third most abundant element, making up around 8% of the earth's crust, avoidance is difficult.

[Hidden]

TMI warning

I confess I never used my slow cooker or coffee maker or teflon irons/pans or use foil or plastic clingfilm or toast bags - yuk almighty! (or flora/marg which is basically just plastic not food) or the redundant microwave. Cereal was to fatten pigs, I am chubby enough!

I'm very old fashioned at 52! (thanks to Mum, but lard I haven't got to grips with, I should I know as it contains a high Vit D content! but still brainwashed that a quick fry with olive oil is fine)

got the gadgets - but don't need them! I even peel potatoes with just a knife! and buy (or grow) dirty carrots, my cabbages are a bit holey -which means they pre-tested as edible.

I wash everyday with a little soap - as I don't sweat I don't need roll-ons (the kids daren't use their sprays near me either!) and discovered I DON'T actually have dandruff after stopping head n shoulders - shock horror! and bathe every other day with epsom (mg) salts, in very hot detoxing water.

I do unfortunately have loads of amalgum fillings (covered by crowns) due to a very enthusiastic dentist in the '80s when pregnant (me not him) - my daughter had hers removed (with a dam & vapour extractor) it took a while and 2 stone lost for her to feel better.

We are being poisoned from every direction (but bodies are expecting some poison) - but we can identify causes and remedies - sadly this is not given the importance it deserves. Jane

(I get boots own non-fluoride - sadly I gave my kids fluoride tablets from the dentist )

[Kitten-whiskers]

Thats added to my list of things to avoid. Thank you very much

[Hidden]

I'm curious how you managed to get tested for aluminium poisoning? but so glad you found out (hugs) J x

(&Rod - I read something lately saying it wasn't found/used much until recent times - of course I forgot where I read that! but I'm sure it was only yesterday! - another groundhog moment)

[Danifox6 in reply to Hidden]

I recently opted for a metals screen to see my levels.

[Hidden in reply to Danifox6]

Where did you have the test done? Was it helpful for you?

Thanks!

[Danifox6 in reply to Hidden]

I cant remember! I'll look back at my results but it helped me panic less about it as my levels were low and I was very worried about it

[Kitten-whiskers]

Thank you for this - I will get new cookware. I have often wondered about the Aluminium in the pans. You have to be so careful these days. I have always had issues with the food industry.

[Danifox6]

Could I ask which pans are ok? My aluminium levels are fine at present but was thinking of changing my pans to ceramic?

[puncturedbicycle in reply to Danifox6]

I use stainless and enamelled, as well as a pressed iron pan for frying. I always struggle with anaemia so the iron pan will help hopefully.

My mum uses some ceramic to cook but it sticks terribly, worse than stainless. The casseroles aren't bad though - if there's some moisture in what you're cooking they work okay.

[Danifox6 in reply to puncturedbicycle]

I have 2 ceramic frying pans already and they are fantastic the best thing I have evr cooked with. Never sticks and cooks so evenly. Think will get the pans now

[Danifox6]

Thanks. My joints are shot in my hands and wrists so sadly cant have heavy pr I would def be having le creuset

[Hidden in reply to Danifox6]

that reminds me, I couldn't lift pans, even empty ones because of wrist pain (was on the list for bilateral carpal tunnel and cubital tunnel (elbow) surgery before I found out I was low in Vit D) now I can easily and without pain - so tempted to have a swing at certain people just to prove it (oops - I wouldn't really!) J

[Danifox6 in reply to Hidden]

I was low in Vit D but not now, i avoid heavy pans and tipping out now so maybe i shall try but i do love my ceramic frying pans so must try and get the pans come on TKMaxx !!

[Stourie]

If you google

namastepublishing.co.uk/tag/effects-fluoride

you will find a writing by Barry Durant peatfield about fluoride and the poisonous effect it has on the thyroid.

Jo xx

[Kitten-whiskers in reply to Stourie]

Thank you Joanna, I will have a read of that. I do remember Dr Peatfield mentioning Flouride. Thank goodness we have people like Dr Peatfield

[Kitten-whiskers]

Couldn't agree more, Dr Peatfield is a wonderfal man, I have argued with my Endro and Docs - without Dr Peatfield I doubt I would even be here

[Stourie]

Dr Peatfield actually resigned his medical licence before he could be hassled by the GMC hence the reason that he cannot prescribe.

Jo xx

[tegz]

Are there any support sites for ex GPs who are 'agin the system on Thyroid' like 'Friends Of ' etc. where applause can be given. I know [practising] GPs can't advertise and he probably doesn't need it professionally but moral support can go a long way!

[helvella Administrator Thyroid UK]

Barry Durrant-Peatfield MBBS LRCP MRCS was NOT struck off by the GMC.

As Wiki says (I believe accurately), Durrant-Peatfield took the decision to voluntarily erase his registration before the end of the case.

Rod

[trw99]

floride removes oxygen from the water

boiling water removes oxygen from water as well

[BrecklandRanger]

Also look into glass cookware. Expensive though.

[BrecklandRanger]

I remember reading about this in Dr. Peatfield's book.

Re fluoride: I find drinking tea makes me feel worse about 1 hr later. So may have to knock that on the head. Also looking into a reverse osmosis system. This not only filters out fluoride, but also heavy metals, herbicides, etc.

[Kitten-whiskers in reply to BrecklandRanger]

Hello BrecklandRanger,

We do have to be careful with fluoride - but giving up Tea - that is my only enjoyment left, after giving up Gluten, Dairy & Soya.

I do remember reading that now in Dr Peatfield's book now you mention it.

What is the reverse osmosis system?

[BrecklandRanger in reply to Kitten-whiskers]

Reverse osmosis is a self-contained unit that is attached to your water supply. It is a purifier that uses several filters to rid your water of common contaminants, especially fluoride. They typically cost £100-£150 for a unit. The filters need to be changed approx every 6-mth (approx £40 ea.).

[BrecklandRanger in reply to Kitten-whiskers]

Reverse osmosis is a self-contained unit that is attached to your water supply. It is a purifier that uses several filters to rid your water of common contaminants, especially fluoride. They typically cost £100-£150 for a unit. The filters need to be changed approx every 6-mth (approx £40 ea.).

[Kitten-whiskers in reply to BrecklandRanger]

Sounds like a good idea

Thank you