Herbal protocol for eliminating streptococcus overgrowth in gut?

[Octopus2345]

Hi there,

I recently did a stool test with Viome which confirmed that I still have way too many streptococcus bugs in my gut (so I have dysbiosis/possibly SIBO).

I have done antibiotics in the past to try and balance my gut but any benefit has only been very temporary.

Was wondering if anyone has used a herbal protocol to successfully control bad bacteria overgrowth?

If so, could you please describe the protocol in detail?

At the moment I am taking 3 drops of oregano oil in the evening and an L. rhamnosus probiotic in the morning (rhamnosus is meant to fight against strep).

Thanks so much!

Also - I think the dysbiosis affects my libido! Has anyone else noticed this?

[xjrs]

I went through the whole functional medicine approach via nutritional therapists including testing and trying out various herbal remedies (including Oregano) since they said I had SIBO (which I didn't) and dysbiosis with a dominant bad bug which I could see from the tests. However, absolutely nothing that they recommended helped and the whole thing cost me a fortune. The only thing that helped with the dysbiosis was Alflorex probiotic which I found myself and has been scientifically studied for IBS. Since I have IBS-C with visceral hypersensitivity I also take Linaclotide which helps with the pain side of things in addition to the Alflorex.

[SeekingAnAnswer in reply to xjrs]

Interesting! Did this probiotic relieve your IBS/C?

[xjrs in reply to SeekingAnAnswer]

The probiotic didn't help with the constipation side, but it significantly helped with the pain (visceral hypersensitivity). I have a very high fibre diet and take 30 drops of ginger in a little water before bedtime to help with the constipation.

[JulieB5200 in reply to xjrs]

Hi, I am surprised the probiotic hasn’t caused your constipation to turn to diarrhoea as it has done for me atm.Do you mind me asking what is visceral hypersensitivity? Thank you

[xjrs in reply to JulieB5200]

That's the thing about IBS people can react to treatments differently.

There is info about from visceral hypersensitivity (functional abdominal pain) here:

iffgd.org/lower-gi-disorder...

In some people stressful life events can reduce pain controlling neurons in the brain. The brain starts picking up normal bowel functions as pain. In addition, if there are some dominant bad bugs in the gut, these can also make the nerve endings in the intestines more sensitive. On the one hand you have the gut sending extra signals to the brain due to gut nerves being overly sensitive and then the brain picking up these signals as pain - this can produce a greater am plication effect.

This is why, in these situations, it is worth considering a good probiotic to bring things back in balance in the gut (which can take a little while and some people might experience a bit of upset with it which might settle) and also things like the Nerva gut directed hypnotherapy app which can help calm nerves between the brain and the gut too. From a clinical perspective, nerve pain agents such as amitriptyline are prescribed. These work on the brain chemical side of things and there is a suggestion they can help pain control neurons to regenerate in 6-12 months, but there can be side effects since they work on the whole nervous system.

[SeekingAnAnswer]

Thank you!

[Luisa22]

These herbs kill Streptococcus bacteria:

Thyme

Sage

Oregano

Cloves

Horseradish

Olive leaf extract (not to be underestimated!)

Raw organic garlic 3 cloves a day. If the fibre in the garlic can't be tolerated, try "allicin" supplements.

You may also be interested in Echinacea angustifolia root (not the usual "Echinacea purpurea"which people take to strengthen immune system and is often used for colds.

Myrrh tincture is another one. Myrrh is a resin and can only become soluble in alcohol. I don't think there will be a non-alcoholic option that works. But the alcohol amount for dosage would be small: about 3 teaspoons a day.

I'm sorry but my knowledge is limited in many ways. I imagine however, that all these powerful herbal antimicrobials could likely have an effect on most of the gut bacteria though. These work against strep. But what do they do to the rest?? Not sure.

[Meleber]

I'm using berberine (1500mg twice daily), cinnamomum verum (500mg twice daily) and garlic extract containing 1mg of allicin / 2 mg oil, twice daily), 750mg propionate (once daily) and 1000mg butyrate (once daily) for the mycobiome/microbiome in my intestines.

[Wheelstones in reply to Meleber]

Do you have any updates on your condition. I'm alsn interested in using berberine and butyrate.

[Meleber in reply to Wheelstones]

Hi, no news. Still suffering from for me debilitating functional bowel problems 🙁 . Because of some new examinations / tests I gave up using most of the supplements for the moment.

[Wheelstones in reply to Meleber]

Have you considered a faecal transplant. I'm looking into it atm. Also I put together something that you can look into. HERE..

Killing strep - colloidal silver and use1 of the following Anti microbials per day.... below.

Anti inflammatory - liquid curcumin, Ultimate Omega Fish Oil Liquid Nordic Naturals

Anti microbials - artemisinin, black walnut hulls, echinacea, gentian, tea tree oil, wormwood.. AMY MYRES has a product called microb clear containing berberine, wormwood and black walnut hulls. 3 in 1.

Repair - berberine, Rifaximin prebiotic fibre.

[Meleber in reply to Wheelstones]

No, I haven't. At the moment some blood is being tested for a bacterial infection and also some other tests have still to be done. If the results are negative I will ask a neurogastroenterologist for a trial with neomycin, an antibiotic. In the past I did try rifaximin for my functional bowel problems but this antibiotic didn't help me.

[Wheelstones in reply to Meleber]

Rifaximinis a prebiotic and needs taking for a few months. Antibiotics generally make the condition worse as they damage the gut lining. If you have time, research each one separately. Im sure this protocol will work.

[Meleber in reply to Wheelstones]

Rifaximin is an antibiotic. But you can read it here for your information en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rif...

[Wheelstones in reply to Meleber]

Yes it is. Sorry I meant the prebiotic fibre inulin.