Has anyone had RLS after a spinal?

[Roklyn]

I had a knee replacement in 2016 and RLS started shortly after. I had a spinal anesthetic. It involves muscle spasms in my quads, usually one at a time but occasionally both. I just had a revision of the knee and it made the RLS worsen for a bit. I am on Gabapentin 600mgAM , 600 mg 5PM and 900 mg with 1.5 mg ropinerol at 8 PM. I have tried everything from magnesium, tonic water, compression boots, CBD cream, oxycodone, cyclopenziprine, more active , less active and the list grows. I had my first PT last week and was up walking the floor until 3am. My neurologist wants me off the ropinerol, and to increase the gabapentin. Easy for her to say. I am at a loss at this point.

[SueJohnson]

Welcome to the forum. You will find lots of help, support and understanding here.

Your doctor is right to want you off the ropinirole. Up to 70% of people will eventually suffer augmentation according to the Mayo Clinic Updated Algorithm on RLS which believe me you don't want because it can be hell to come off it and the longer you are on it, the harder it will be to come off it and the more likely your dopamine receptors will be damaged so that the now first line treatment for RLS gabapentin or pregabalin won't work nor might iron and it has been found that suffering from augmentation can lead to painful RLS which you don't want. And one expert believes everyone will eventually suffer augmentation. Check out the Mayo Clinic Updated Algorithm on RLS which discusses augmentation and the latest guidelines on RLS treatment.

First off check if you are on the slow release ropinirole. The slow release ones usually have ER or XL after their name. If so you need to switch to the regular ropinirole because the slow releases ones can't be cut if needed.

To come off ropinirole reduce by .25 mg every 2 weeks or so. Ask for a prescription of these if needed. You will have increased symptoms. You may need to reduce more slowly or with a smaller amount or you may be able to reduce more quickly. Wait until the increased symptoms from each reduction has settled before going to the next one. You will suffer and may need a low dose opioid temporarily to help out with the symptoms especially as you near the end. Some have used kratom or cannabis temporarily to help. But in the long run, you will be glad you came off it.

Dopamine agonists like ropinirole and pramipexole and the Neupro patch (Rotigotine) are no longer the first line treatment for RLS. Gabapentin or pregabalin are. Also don't let your doctor switch you to Neupro (rotigotine). S/he may tell you that it is less likely to lead to augmentation but that has been disproved.

You are on 2100 mg of gabapentin. DO NOT INCREASE it. Normally you wouldn't even start taking it until 3 weeks before you are off ropinirole and you wouldn't increase it from 300 mg until several weeks after you are off ropinirole.

And you are taking it all wrong. It is not going to help you much while you are on ropinirole. After you are off ropinirole for several weeks and your symptoms have settled if it controls your RLS then reduce it by 100 mg every 2 weeks until it no longer controls your RLS and then go back to the next higher one that did. According to the Mayo Clinic Updated Algorithm on RLS: "Most RLS patients require 1200 to 1800 mg of gabapentin."

You don't need the gabapentin other than at night because one only has RLS at night. Doctors will prescribe it that way because it used to be only prescribed for neuropathy. And gabapentin doses need to be 2 hours apart for maximum effect.

Take it 1-2 hours before bedtime as the peak plasma level is 2 hours. If you need more than 600 mg take the extra 4 hours before bedtime as it is not as well absorbed above 600 mg. If you need more than 1200 mg, take the extra 6 hours before bedtime. Most of the side effects will disappear after a few weeks and the few that don't will usually lessen. Those that remain are usually worth it for the elimination of the RLS symptoms.

If you take magnesium even in a multivitamin or magnesium-rich foods, take it at least 3 hours before or after taking gabapentin as it will interfere with the absorption of gabapentin and if you take calcium don't take it nor calcium-rich foods within 2 hours for the same reason . According to the Mayo Clinic Updated Algorithm on RLS:

Have you had your ferritin checked? If so what was it? This is the first thing that should be done for RLS. Improving your ferritin to 100 or more helps 60% of people with RLS and in some cases completely eliminates their symptoms. If not ask your doctor for a full iron panel. Stop taking any iron supplements including in a multivitamin 48 hours before the test, don't eat a heavy meat meal the night before and fast after midnight. Have your test in the morning before 9 am if possible. When you get the results, ask for your ferritin and transferrin saturation (TSAT) numbers. If your ferritin is less than 100 or your transferrin saturation is less than 20% ask for an iron infusion to quickly bring it up as this will help your withdrawal. If you can't get an infusion, let us know and we can advise you further.

Check out the Mayo Clinic Updated Algorithm on RLS which will tell you everything you want to know including about its treatment and refer your doctor to it if needed as many doctors do not know much about RLS or are not up-to-date on it as yours obviously isn't or s/he would never have prescribed a dopamine agonist at Https://mayoclinicproceedings.org/a...

If your doctor objects to all of this then you may need a new doctor. If so if you let me know the city and state where you live I may be able to give you the name of a expert.

Some things that can make RLS symptoms worse for some people are alcohol, nicotine, caffeine, sugar, artificial sweeteners, carbs, foods high in sodium, foods that cause inflammation, foods high in glutamate, ice cream, eating late at night, oestrogen (estrogen) including HRT, dehydration, electrolyte imbalance, melatonin, Monosodium Glutamate (MSG), collagen supplements, eating late at night, stress and vigorous exercise.

Some things that help some people include caffeine, moderate exercise, weighted blankets, compression socks, elastic bandages, masturbation, magnesium glycinate, fennell, low oxalate diet, a low-inflammatory diet, selenium, 5 minute shower alternating 20 seconds cold water with 10 seconds hot water finishing with hot water for another couple of minutes, hot baths, distractions, applying a topical magnesium lotion or spray, doing a magnesium salts soak (epsom salts), vitamins B1, B3, B6, B12, D3, K2, if deficient, and potassium and copper if deficient, massage including using a massage gun, vibration devices like therapulse, using a standing desk, playing and listening to music, creative hobbies, meditation and yoga.

Many medicines and OTC supplements can make RLS worse. If you are taking any I may be able to provide a safe alternative.

[grandma_of_7]

did you get a pain pump in your leg?

[Roklyn in reply to grandma_of_7]

No I did not