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Why don't they research causes instead of drugs for symptoms?

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This is definitely a big deal for me, the fact that unless there is money to be made from the results of research, there will be no funding for it. Like, they don't really care about health; what they care about is how much money they can make off of the lack thereof. So -- instead of researching WHY we have triggers, they research what drug they can sell to us to alleviate the symptoms if we can't find and eliminate the triggers on our own. So we are stuck trying to eliminate triggers and taking drugs. Frankly, it just pisses me off and convinces me that there really is no caring, just greed. One would think that government-funded research would be the first line of defense instead of its putting laws in place to protect drug companies from being sued. But nope. that's not the system in place. (I'm in the US.) Especially those who have had RLS life-long, where is the research for the cause of that? It's not caused by a deficiency of a pharmaceutical drug, and research ALWAYS is focused on "what is the lowest-level symptom we can find that we can apply a drug to?" and then they label that cause.

That said, I stubbornly was refusing to give up a part of my breakfast that I was pretty sure was a trigger. In the middle 2002 I was given a fluoroquinolone antibiotic (three, ten-day rounds of 500mg cipro for diarrhea that was caused by mold exposure, NOT by bacteria) that wrecked my intestinal microbiome. Ever since then, I have had RLS in varying intensities, from extreme to being manageable just by avoiding food triggers. Being in mold exposure absolutely definitely causes RLS, and being given an FQ antibiotic definitely sets up the scenario for making it worse. Both of these causes major havoc in the intestinal microbiome.

At its height in the middle 2000s (before I knew I was in mold exposure) I was taking up to 3600mg gabapentin at bedtime or it was zero sleep. Even with that astronomical amount of gabapentin, sleep was nothing approaching normal. I used to laugh when a doctor would suggest a sleep routine, as if a bad sleep routine were the cause of RLS. I was in my middle 60s at the time, and my sleep routine had not changed in decades.

Since I got out of mold and recovered from that, which took until about 2014, I haven't had very much of a problem UNLESS I ate lectins. Dr. Gundry has published a cookbook for a diet based on avoiding lectins, but because of mast cell activation problems also caused by the mold exposure, I can't eat many things that are allowed on his diet, such as ferments and high histamine foods. It is like being between several rocks and several hard places at the same time. I've had to design my own diet of no lectins, low histamine foods, and no ferments (which have both mold and histamine.)

So back to what this post is theoretically about, I was for a while vastly enjoying a breakfast of pastured organic eggs scrambled with chopped scallions, cooked in ghee, nestled in sprouted organic corn tortillas. Very tasty. BUT there was corn (a lectin-containing grain) and the RLS was back to making me crazy. The only OTC thing that worked was a pretty high dose of red vein kratom (legal here in my state) but it also woke me up -- so the legs would stop jumping off the bed but I would still not get any sleep.

So finally I quite eating the corn tortillas for breakfast and the RLS has subsided considerably (immediately, like the same night) to the point where I only have to take an antihistamine to make sleep possible. (Yes I know some antihistamines make RLS worse, but some also help, possibly because I have the MCAS going on.)

It just pisses me off first that research is based on developing drugs for symptoms instead of where it should be, which is finding causes ( once again, RLS is not "caused" by a lack of a pharmaceutical drug, no matter how far down into the symptom well they look;) that so many of these drugs, like the FQs, are incredibly harmful and so many people have to be harmed before that is admitted; and then nothing is done to help those affected for the same reason -- research is only for more drugs.

Ok, rant off. I keep telling people to try simply not eating for one or two days, drinking only distilled water, and see what happens to your RLS. You may find you have food triggers that you have no idea are causal, and you may be able to get substantial relief through that process of finding there are things you are ingesting that you can eliminate.

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Bernaldi profile image
Bernaldi

Can't find a way to edit; 20002 is supposed to read 2000s.

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SueJohnson in reply to Bernaldi

Click on More under your post and will have an option to edit.

The Restless Legs Foundation in the US funds research.

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Bernaldi in reply to SueJohnson

But it is DRUG research.

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ChrisColumbus in reply to Bernaldi

The RLS Foundation research funding availability is not limited to drug treatments: the current round is focused on:

"Neurobiological interaction: Elucidate the points of interaction between RLS-relevant neurotransmitters, neuronal pathways, and iron deficiency.

Pharmacologic treatments: Elucidate effects of novel pharmacological approaches on RLS.

Clinical Practice: research based on innovations in patient care delivery including but not limited to population health programs, technology-enabled healthcare delivery (i.e.; telemedicine) and public health initiatives.

Other topics: Other research areas accepted for funding consideration."

Big pharma is of course interested in drug treatments, and researchers may see more opportunities to get funding in this area - and if they can't get it from the drug co's they may try Rls.org. But researchers in other areas can submit proposals. Whether they'll be successful is of course another matter!

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Bernaldi in reply to ChrisColumbus

It is what I call the allopathic mindset. It is extremely difficult to explain to someone who has that mindset, how limited it is. There are things out there that can work miracles but they are almost entirely discarded as "non-science" and "not capable of being proven by SCIENCE." For example, let's just look at PTSD. PTSD is not curable, right? Yes it is. I had severe PTSD which was cured in very short order by an Eden Energy Method practitioner. No drugs, no therapy -- just correcting the imbalance in energy systems, in particular Triple Warmer. Woo-woo? Not any more than acupuncture is woo-woo -- just because the technology can't discern things like energy systems, doesn't mean they don't exist. It means our means of investigation are backwards and often blind due to the belief system driving the research. Yeah I'm getting off on a tangent. I'm a Reiki Master Practitioner and that is woo-woo also, isn't it, because our "scientific" instruments can't measure what's going on? This is the huge hole in how research is done; there is an entire "pie" out there and allopathic thinking is only looking at a tiny sliver of that pie, and anything out there that diverges from that way of thinking is automatically labeled quackery. It is such a shame that "medicine" keeps digging deeper and deeper into the same hole and rejects anything that is not in that hole with it.

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ChrisColumbus in reply to Bernaldi

This - the schism between 'evidence-based medicine' and 'traditional or alternative medicine' (just to use widely understood labels) - is an interesting topic (and not where I thought this thread was going).

As I've never tried either drugs for RLS or 'alternative' treatments for anything I don't have a position on this.

But I do feel that RLS sufferers (and patients in general) are too often and too quickly steered towards pharmaceutical treatment by doctors. I have a strong suspicion that I would never have been able to bring my RLS symptoms largely under control without drugs if I'd ever spent time on a dopamine agonist!

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soundofmetal in reply to ChrisColumbus

Chris, if you have never taken RLS medication how have you been able to manage your RLS symptoms? How do you do that!

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ChrisColumbus in reply to soundofmetal

After 40+ years of putting up with all the symptoms (including the subsequent tiredness) I finally found that taking magnesium helped me (but not my brother, who also suffers) a lot. Then I retired and a year or two later had a mini-stroke and cancer. The treatment - principally the ******* statins - made RLS return but far far worse, and it stayed moderately bad after quitting the statins.

So after recovering from my ailments I really started to look for RLS triggers, and was lucky enough to find that mine were fairly easy to spot and to eliminate. Others seemingly have much more complex triggers.

Details, such as they are, are in the Bio section of my Profile:

healthunlocked.com/user/Chr...

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soundofmetal in reply to ChrisColumbus

Thank you Chris, I will take a look at that.

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Bernaldi in reply to ChrisColumbus

Ah, you have given me an opportunity to illustrate my soap box in a big way. Here's a quote about statins, followed by the link it came from:

we looked at two types of risk reduction: relative risk reduction and absolute risk reduction. Imagine your chance of dying from a certain condition prematurely is 0.2%, and there’s a drug that reduces your chance of dying to 0.1%. In relative terms (relative risk reduction), your chance of dying has been halved, or reduced by 50%. But in absolute terms (absolute risk reduction), your chance of dying has only gone down by 0.1%.

Although there is a 50% relative risk reduction, is it a meaningful difference? Would it be worthwhile changing to this drug, particularly if there are side-effects associated with it? Absolute risk reduction presents a clearer picture and makes it easier for people to make informed decisions.

In our study, published in Jama Internal Medicine, we found that the absolute risk reduction from taking statins was modest compared with the relative risk reduction. The relative risk reduction for those taking statins compared with those who did not was 9% for deaths, 29% for heart attacks and 14% for strokes. Yet the absolute risk reduction of dying, having a heart attack or stroke was 0.8%, 1.3% and 0.4% respectively.

theconversation.com/benefit...

And this is why I will never, ever take a statin. This almost complete lack of effectiveness combined with the adverse effects, why is this allowed to be prescribed?

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ChrisColumbus in reply to Bernaldi

Indeed: I had been warned of the problems with statins by an ex-boss, but accepted the prescription with some trepidation. Eventually I had to threaten my consultant that I'd just walk away from treatment unless she agreed that I should stop statins.

archive.org/details/statinn...

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ChrisColumbus in reply to Bernaldi

Why are both statins and dopamine agonists still so widely prescribed? Because they are an 'easy' solution for medics, and they have been told that the benefits outweigh the side effects - which some will still parrot when challenged.

Bernaldi profile image
Bernaldi

The problem I see with "evidence-based" anything is that it is used as a tool to avoid paying attention to any evidence that does not fit within pre-determined parameters of what IS evidence. For example, I was cured of PTSD by an Eden Energy Method practitioner. That is evidence, especially for me who got my life back, but it's not "double-blinded peer reviewed published in a journal" evidence, and so the way these people choose to think, it isn't evidence. And those with PTSD that is ruining their lives will never even get the chance to get it cured because they will never find out about it. There aren't any "scientific instruments" that can measure an imbalance in the meridians because they can't detect the energy flows and blockages in the meridians in the first place. You need a human to do that, and humans are being removed from medicine at an incredible rate.

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Marlayna67

geez don’t get me started. The side effects of my meds are making life nearly impossible for me at the moment. We’re driving cross country and I cannot stay awake! A daily five hour drive has me pulling over three times for dry mouthed catnaps in the front seat just to make it to the next stop.

I appreciate your mention of diet. Once we settle into our new state, I’m only to take a good look at diet again. I’m highly allergic to mold, and very reactive to certain foods.

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Eryl

As an industry leader one famously said "a patient cured is a customer lost". Big pbarma funds the vast amount of research so any research into a cure will not get funding.I, and many others have found that their RLS was caused by chronic inflammation i. e. inflammation caused by foods. These are well documented on the internet. There are also foods and vitamins that reduce the inflammation a little.

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SurvivorD

100% AGREE!!! Find the REAL cause!! I have given up "trying" medication. It works for a while and if not the dose is increased or another one is suggested. The ironic thing is we keep hearing "each person reacts differently to certain medications etc" There must be one common denominator for ALL of us as we all have the same symptoms!! IF ONLY.........I rest my case!!!

Bernaldi profile image
Bernaldi

I'm glad there are quite a few other thinkers here. The non-thinkers can just rattle on as they please, with various versions of "but my doctor said."

The entire "health" care system has been off track for a very, very long time, and it will not get back on track without considerable effort on the part of those of use who realize what is wrong.

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