Evening RLS people

[smilingjane]

I am fine tuning the vits and minerals that are key to helping eleviate RL.

The only one that I need reminding about please is magnesium. How much should I take daily and in what form? And at what time of day? And does it interfere with any other vits/neds etc?

Many thanks 😊

[Thyb]

Hiya, my OH has restless legs, But, Better You Magnesium spray has been Amazing! Spray on legs at bedtime...

Would be good to hear if it has helped anyone else. It also promotes sleep so best to use it near bed time xx

[smilingjane in reply to Thyb]

Hi Thyb

Thanks for getting back. I have the spray.

The thing is I have restless arms as well as legs, (spread when I suffered from Augmentation and has stayed with me)

So really I'm looking for something that goes through the whole body. But you have me thinking - I suppose uf I rub the stuff in after spraying it, it should go into my bloodstream.

Hummmm

[Thyb in reply to smilingjane]

You need to rub it in well. Igennus Triple Magnesium complex maybe worth a try xx

[Thyb in reply to Thyb]

It contains Magnesium Citrate, taurate and bisglycinate x

[smilingjane in reply to Thyb]

Thank you Thyb

I will he on the case!

😊

[Rachelp1 in reply to smilingjane]

Tried others but I swear by MGSport magnesium from Amazon. I’m doing the same with this vita and minerals, what else are you taking?

[smilingjane in reply to Rachelp1]

I am taking D3 with K2, Thorne Basic B, B12 spray and injections, Q10, Vit C and selenium. Is MG Sport just Mag?

😊

[Rachelp1 in reply to smilingjane]

380mg magnesium, 10mcg vit D, 50mg vit E, 10mg vit B-6.

[Rachelp1 in reply to smilingjane]

Thanks for that, I’m going to try Q10

[smilingjane in reply to Rachelp1]

I find the Geletine capsules better then pills. Pharma Nord Bio-Quinone Active Q10 are good.

😊

[smilingjane in reply to Thyb]

Thank you friend!

[silvia10 in reply to smilingjane]

acyually it is a very good source of magnesium, it goes directly in the bloodstream and/or tissue and your body will distribute it.

[smilingjane in reply to silvia10]

Thanks Silvia 😊

[Mum007 in reply to Thyb]

I now use Holland and Barrett spray as it’s much cheaper. It doesn’t prevent my restless legs if I use before I go to bed but if my rsl starts up on the night and then I spray it on all over arms and legs (10 sprays) then rsl usually goes away in about 15 minutes. Not always but most of the time.

[smilingjane in reply to Mum007]

Wow thank you for that.

I will give just a try 😊

[Swimming2018 in reply to Thyb]

Yes, I use magnesium spray from Holland and Barrett. It eases pain for a while

[Madlegs1]

Very good question.

Magnesium is a massively controversial subject.

At its simplest ( some will accuse me of oversimplification) mg interferes with about 200 other substances. Basically it can absorb and therefore negate these.

You can find out by googling " magnesium and ' substance' "

What sort of mg ? Again- differing views. But I go with any of the "- ates" Citrate, glucinate etc. The dose will depend- but go by the bottle.

Mg oxide is the cheapest, and great for bowel loosening.

I take mg citrate 100mg any time after lunchtime. Helps bowel and sleep.

Good hunting.🧐

[smilingjane in reply to Madlegs1]

Mad legs

As always thank you 😊☘😊☘

[Madlegs1 in reply to smilingjane]

Love the shamrock!

[smilingjane in reply to smilingjane]

Meant to signify the Kratom plant couldn't get the exact leaves on emoji 😀

[involuntarydancer]

For me, oral magnesium is not beneficial at best. If anything, it seems to exacerbate rls symptoms but when I put it in a bath as Epsom salts - and wallow in it for about 20 minutes - it seems to help. This would also overcome the restless arms issue.

[smilingjane in reply to involuntarydancer]

That's interesting.

Thank you for that ID. Just goes to show that we all react differently. Its trial and error 😏

[DicCarlson]

Mg used to elicit a paradoxical reaction to me - excitable and not relaxing - made my insomnia worse! Of late I decided to just keep taking it and see what happens. It seems to help. I'm taking Magtein Pro a combination with Magnesium L-Threonate (Magnesium for the brain) and Magnesium Acetyl Taurate - both a combination of Mg with an Amino Acid. Magtein is patented so any retailer that uses it, it is the same product.

[smilingjane in reply to DicCarlson]

Magnesium for the brain? I wonder why this is different to mag for the body?

Thanks for your input 😊

[dklohrey]

I have had heart palpitations for years as well as having RLS. Magnesium makes my heart palpitations worse. Always have to be careful with supplements.

[smilingjane in reply to dklohrey]

Definately.

Thanks for that, I will watch out.

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[notnowdad]

I have achieved almost complete relief from RLS symptoms by following a low oxalate diet. When I switched from magnesium citrate to magnesium glycinate (aka bisglycinate) my RLS came roaring back. I researched and found that the body converts the amino acid glycine into oxalate. This led me to realize that meat based soups and stews, which are glycine rich, need to be avoided. I eat small portions of meat and seafood, but eggs and cheese are my primary protein sources. I mention this because most sources of information about eating a low oxalate diet say that meats and meat broths are all safe to eat. I avoid gelatin and collagen. I am experimenting with chicken broth made from breasts, thighs and legs only. It is much less gelatinous than broth made with the whole bird.

I take Dr. Carolyn Dean’s product ReMag, a liquid with very absorbable picometer magnesium. She wrote the book “The Magneium Miracle” and later developed this product. I don’t take vitamin C supplements because there is evidence that excess vitamin C causes the body to generate oxalic acid endogenously.

Because there is some oxalic acid in almost everything we eat it takes real dedication to get relief this way. If you give it a try, realize that your body may start to "dump" stored oxalate, and you may feel worse initially. Best of luck to you.

[smilingjane in reply to notnowdad]

Notnowdad

Thank you for this information. Dont know too much about Oxaluc acid. I follow a vegan diet so will look into Oxaluc acid and how that affects me.

I need to research a bit more Can't understand why different mag types effect differently for some 🤔

I will check it out.

Thanks again and congratulations for persevering. I am a bit rubbish at that. But will try and learn from you and the others on here!!

😉

[HilsK in reply to smilingjane]

I ended up with too much oxalic acid which caused Gout .. now that was a whole other ball-game ... its seems to be such a fine balance and possibly is different for all of us.

[smilingjane in reply to HilsK]

Definately. I hear Gout is very painfull. I hope your gout has been treated?

[ravioli in reply to notnowdad]

I'm very interested in trying the low oxalate diet. Can you actually feel the difference if you ingest meat based broths and stews?

thanks

Cindy

[notnowdad in reply to ravioli]

When I mess up and get too much oxalic acid from vegetables, fruits or legumes the RLS sets in about 24 hours later. I’m fairly certain that the reaction time is just about the same for glycine rich liquids like meat broths and stews. The good news is that when I get back to following my low oxalate regimen the discomforts leave within the next 24 hours.

The information given on the internet for how to achieve a low oxalate diet is generally good. Two foods which are not high in oxalic acid but which seem to give me RLS are asparagus and avocado. Asparagusic acid, which is unique to asparagus, may be acting similarly to oxalic acid. I don’t have an explanation for the avocados. Here are a few of my standard guidelines:

In general you will need to avoid whole grains, nuts and seeds, high oxalate vegetables like spinach and chard and some fruits. I found it necessary to give up tea entirely. Boil your vegetables and throw away the water. Soups and stews with vegetables may be problematic because they retain the oxalic acid which is more readily absorbed by the body when in liquids. One common error is that the belief that all meats are safe to eat. I have found that soups and stews made with lesser cuts of meat which are high in glycine cause return of symptoms because the body converts glycine into oxalic acid. I eat white bread, pizza, pasta, rice, corn tortillas, yogurt and cheese, eggs, wine, coffee, lots of low oxalate vegetables and fruits, seafood, chicken and high quality beef steaks. I boil rice like pasta in plenty of water which I drain off when the rice is cooked. There may be some beers which are low oxalate, but I stick to wine. I can tolerate vegetables which are moderately high in oxalate like potatoes but I only eat red, white or gold ones (not russets) which have been peeled and boiled. I believe in magnesium supplements but avoid magnesium glycinate and collagen supplements. I also avoid vitamin C supplements.

[ravioli in reply to notnowdad]

Thank you so much for taking the time to send me an answer. Can I ask you why you stay away from VitaminC?

Thanks

Cindy

[notnowdad in reply to ravioli]

There is some evidence that vitamin C supplements stimulate the body to produce excess oxalic acid. My suggestion is to avoid it until you are, like me, completely free of RLS symptoms for several weeks at least. Then, if you choose, take the supplements and see if you get a reaction. I eat a lot fruits and vegetables and have no reason to think that vitamin C from food is a problem.

[ravioli in reply to notnowdad]

Good advice. I tried a very strict anti-inflammatory diet but after 3 months with no improvement abandoned it. I'm taking Kratom right now, and it works, but I'd rather resolve this through diet. Hopefully a low oxalate diet will prove beneficial. Thank you so much for taking the time to answer my questions.

Cindy

[HilsK]

Hi

I've been advised by my specialist to use a spray .. but didn't tell him I've been using it for ages and its great used at bedtime ... does make me a bit itchy so I do it about an hour before bed!! Its great for my legs but has no effect on my arms, body neck which are all involved with this horrible feeling. So hope we all get some ideas!

Hx

[smilingjane in reply to HilsK]

He HilsK

Thanks for your experience. Its interesting how it helps some but not others with the whole body. Wouldn't you think that spraying legs with would get into the bloodstream but obviously that's not enough for some.

I hope you find something that helps. Are you on other medication!?

😊

[Uforia]

Anecdotal evidence only for the efficacy of magnesium. Research hasn’t shown any effect

[smilingjane in reply to Uforia]

Interesting. So people have found a desired effect yet nothing has showed up in research. 🤔