I read about these NCAP pads about 3 days ago, seemed intrigued, ordered them and tried it last night with quite a bit of success, and that is saying a lot considering my RLS has been very difficult to treat. So I wanted to share this with everyone in here with the hopes that maybe you can find relief with these pads, as well. Of course, time will tell how long this will keep working as it seems everything I try that works only lasts for a period of time and then for some reason quits working. It seems to be the pattern of my RLS, but for now they are working and I am very encouraged by this. For those of you who are interested, they are called NCAP and they are very affordable depending on what size pad you purchase. They even have a 37-day money back guarantee. Here is the link to read about them and how to purchase: ncappainrelief.com. Good luck my friends!!
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My RLS seems to be under control with these pads!
I can't find any reliable reviews on the internet, or if it's available in Europe.
I would suggest that you get the least expensive size (I got 2 of the size 2x5, one for each leg, at $26 USD per patch) and just try it and see if it works for you. If it doesn't and you return it within 37 days then you haven't wasted any money. I haven't checked about getting it delivered outside of the country. They have a chat bubble when you go on their website. Maybe you can tap on that and ask your questions. I sure hope you are able to get it because it could be the answer to your prayers as it is for me in this very short time period. Good luck!! P.S. They also have a code to get 10% off.
These patches are for pain, and I don't know anyone else who has used these, but hey, if they help you, that is great. Whatever works!
Sounds intriguing, where do you put the pads. It sounds great for my nerve pain.
Between the "pain and the brain", as they say on their website. The pad interrupts the signal between the pain and your brain. So for my RLS, I put a patch an inch or so above my knee. You have to experiment with where to position the pad that works best for you. It is very individualized. They tell all about it on their website. If you read the reviews, you get more info about where to place the pad for what kind of pain you are having.
Thanks.
I've read that there's some "science" behind this, I believe this was developed originally around ways of electrically stimulating nerves directly, using patches that go under the skin. E.g. for someone with paralysis. Then it was found to relieve pain.
That is interesting! Well, whatever it is, it definitely works!! *fingers crossed it works this well for all of us and that it keeps working* 🤞
How funny you bring up the topic of nerve stimulation. I have a severe case of RLS and have been seeing a Neurologist for it and it is finally under control. But he was informing me that there is in the works as I speak a development for a nerve stimulator for people that have severe cases of RLS. This will be an implant under the skin , surgically implanted. Right now it is still in research, but my dr has put me on the list for one when they do become available. I hope it's soon.
Please let me/us know what it's called and how to find neurologists in the USA who do this procedure. Thank you! BTW, what did your neurologist do to get yours under control?
The first thing he did was take me off of Mirapex. I had tried Requip in the past with no results. Then was on Mirapex for years and was causing health issues and I was in augmentation. He started to slowly wean me off of it and then we went cold turkey. I was miserable for a month, my legs jerked nonstop night and day. I was lucky if I got 8 hours of sleep a week. I was a mess. He started me on Gabapentin and worked me up to 2700mg a day. It's alot better now, just took some time to work into my body. This was at least a 6 month process. I also have times that they still bother me, and my legs act up when ever they want, night or day, doesn't matter. They have a mind of their own, LOL. When they flare up I have found some all natural otc meds, called Restful Legs, by Hyland it's Bilingual. I pop them under my tongue and in 10 minutes I have relief. I also use a leg cream called Relaxing leg cream by MagniLife. It also helps alot. I can not suggest you use them I'm just telling you what works for me. My RLS has been so severe over the years it caused me to get little sleep which then caused major depression which it also led to sleep deprivation and in turn caused me sleep walk. All due to the RLS. My life for 10 years was a nightmare. I had no quality of life, the sleep walking was every night and it became very dangerous almost caused me to lose my life many times. Now I'm in a happy place and I am so glad to be past the bad side, but who knows how long it will continue. I take 1 day at a time. I think this is a horrible horrible disease and too many people suffer from it .
I think what you refer to is what I read about. Originally the pads were developed to stimulate nerves e.g. for someone who's paralysed. Then it was discovered that they can relieve pain. They are inserted under the skin and use a phenomenon called capacitive coupling.
They consist of an array of capacitors which store an electrical charge and then discharge it. So they have to be connected to a circuit and an energy source.
I'm not sure how the NCAP pads work though, it says no wires or batteries so where the electricity comes from isn't clear.
I have also read about Kailo pads, which appear similar. For these it says that there are billions of nano particles i.e. nanocapacitors in the pads that are electrically charged but no mention of what charges them.
I've not found any serious articles on these pads, only adverts.
Interesting that I have found some scientific articles on the use of pads with nanoparticles in them. However, in this case the particles contain either a cannabinoid derivative or an anaesthetic. i.e. drugs.
Is it like a tens unit, kind of? Sounds like it if there is electric currents.
I honestly don't know how they work. You can read about them on their website. That was my first impression, though, when I heard about these is that they sound like a TENS unit. What's interesting is that I almost didn't order for that very reason because I have tried a TENS unit for my RLS and it didn't do a thing for it. But these patches are helping me so far. Go figure!
According to its own advert, this device has no wires and no batteries. I guess this means it uses no electricity.
The advert also refers to capacitive coupling (an electrical phenomenon) and claims the pads contain" billions of high tech capacitors".
There are such devices being developed, but they are being developed for electrical storage and would need charging. They do not however have nanoparticles as the advert mentions.
There are also patches being developed that have nanoparticles, or microcapsules. However these contain drugs and have to be in direct contact with the skin.
There are devices being developed that relieve pain by electrical stimulation. They use "arrays" of capacitors to do this. They are inserted under the skin and are connected to a source of electricity.
Is it similar to a TENS ? Glad helping you x
Definitely keep us in the know on this please LanaCSR. Let's see if it's not a placebo. I can't seem to find too much on the mechanism though.
I cannot see on the web site any fact based science or a good explanation on how it works.
Can you buy these in uk? If they ship to uk from USA how do you pay would they take a credit card?
Check the web site. 
I was told you need to order through their website. I was also told they ship to Europe every day. But I would suggest going to their website, clicking on the chat balloon, and asking your questions there.
Can't find the website?
ncappainrelief.com
click on her link and it will take you off this web site and you will go right to it.
Hi Lana, interesting. How do you keep the patch in place? Do you use the double adhesive take and attach it to ...what? Or did you buy the wrap and knot it around your upper leg (you said above knee)? And I assume on the backside of you legs?
More details please. And still working??? I think I am willing to try.
Hey Lotte!! Yep, I bought the 2x5 size with the wrap. It works beautifully! But you can also use their adhesives or those 3M wraps that adhere to itself or bandage tape. So....big question...is it still working? Yes!! But what I am struggling with right now is trying to find that magical place where it stops the RLS and/or the pain. You only have to move it ever so slightly and wait a bit and then try again until you find what works best for you. Like last night I thought maybe it wasn't working for me, but then I repositioned it and it started working! I don't know how it works, but it does!
Amazing! I am very happy for you.
Q: can you add a photo of the position of the wrap (in the right place) to your original post?
i hope it keeps working. However, a couple of days is not enough to tell yet. Keep us posted.
My apologies if I'm wrong about this, but when I read about things like this my immediate reaction is one of scepticism. I am aware that there is a long history of people trying to sell various "remedies" and devices that they claim can give relief to pain, loss of function etc.
As humans, no matter how strong we are, physically, mentally or emotionally when struggling with pain, infirmity or coming face to face with our mortality, we can become vulnerable to the appeal of such things. RLS can be a daily drain on our resilience.
Some of these remedies and devices, in the past ( and present) have either directly or indirectly caused harm. As a minimum, they can be a waste of money in varying amounts.
These days, people are more informed, but it appears also that purveyors of these things are too and provide scientific technical sounding information that's impressive and which most people have insufficient knowledge to challenge. e.g. how does a capacitor work? What is a nanoparticle?
I agree that, really, it's none of my business if anyone wants to try these things. Perhaps I have an overdeveloped sense of injustice. Perhaps it's the "projective identification" a psychotherapist once said I suffer from, (I feel for a person as if I am that person).
Whatever the reason, if I suspect something I look into it and feel compelled to tell what I find.
I'm not infallible and I'm always open to new information if I'm wrong, as long as the information and its source is credible.
In the case of these pads. I can only tell you what I've found and offer no comment.
I have been unable to find any independent reviews of ncap pads.
I have found credible articles saying subcutaneous electrical stimulation of nerves can relieve pain. The device used capacitors by a process known as capacitive coupling. The articles mentioned electronic circuits and implied the use if electricity. No mention of "nano".
I have found credible articles on the development of pads containing billions of nanoparticles. There was no mention of capacitors. The nanoparticles are a method of controlling the release of drugs. Cannabinoid derivatives and anaesthetics are mentioned.
The ncap adverts states that the pads have billions of nanocapacitors, no wires, batteries, electricity or drugs are used in the pads.
I also found another product, Kailo pads, also claiming to use nanocapacitors and also mentions nanoparticles. These are much more expensive.
The only reviews I can find of this is on the sales platform indiegogo so aren't independent.
I have found independent reviews however of the indiegogo platform. It's just an impression but the most common word apparently used to describe indiogogo is "scam". I recall one writer states that indiegogo allows scams.
Reading a basic text book on electronics and capacitors would show that these are components that can store electrical energy electrostatically. They require electrical energy to "charge" them. The energy can then be used to drive an electrical current which "discharges" the capacitor. They are like a battery, but can hold controllable amounts of energy and can be charged and discharged very fast.
To do this. capacitors have to be connected to a source of electrical energy and to the material into which the electrical energy is discharged. The connections have to be made using electrically conductive material. Electrical current will not pass through materials that aren't capable of conducting at all (only conductors or semiconductors can pass a current). Conductors and semiconductors are metallic or mineral.
Summary, I've found electrical devices containing capacitors that are implanted under the skin that are used to stimulate nerves using capacitive coupling.
I have found pads using nanoparticles containing drugs that are directly applied to the skin.
Both these seem to be supported by credible evidence for relieving pain.
The nerve pathways involved in pain are a set of "sensory" pathways. i.e. they take messages from the body and send them to the brain. The nerve pathways involved in RLS are described as sensorimotor. i.e. involve both sensory nerves (from body to brain) and motor nerves (from brain to body). If you block a sensory nerve, which is what these pain relieving pads are apparently claimed to do, then the message is blocked i.e. no pain. If you block a message in a motor nerve e.g. in a nerve going to a muscle then the muscle action is weakened or stopped.
Whether this would relieve RLS isn't clear. My reading suggests that the nerves using dopamine associated with RLS are "inhibitory". They act like brakes on other motor nerves. In RLS there is a failure of inhibition which leads to oversensitivity.
Anything which blocks nerve signals in RLS would have to block both parts of this system. If you just block inhibitory nerves then the RLS will probably get worse! If you block the motor nerves entirely you would weaken muscle action.
It appears to me, with limited information. that even if the pain relieving pads work, they won't necessarily work for RLS.
This post, however well informed, is just an opinion and I don't mean to deter anyone from trying something that might help with their RLS
To each his own Manerva. Enjoy your RLS!
Quite right, each to his or own and I respect everyone's right to make their own decisions. I also respect anyone's opinion about anything whether it's for or against anything.
I apologise if you think I've been disrespectful. If you were particularly offended by anything I've wriiten, you are able to report this to the community adminstrator.
However, I don't find the remark, "Enjoy your RLS" particularly respectful.
Your comment to me "It appears to me, with limited information. that even if the pain relieving pads work, they won't necessarily work for RLS" makes a conclusive stmt in your opinion that what I have shared in here that has worked for my RLS isn't a true stmt which is insulting to me. But I am living proof that it DOES work and I only shared it in here so that if anyone else wants relief from this horrible disease this is an inexpensive way and without side effects. I guess in the future I will not share anything I find that works for me in here.
LanaCSR please keep sharing. If you have found something that works for you, then share it. like these pads. No one has to try them no one knows if they will work for them. Even if it is a placebo effect, that fact they seem to be working for you then that should make people happy for you.
Thank you Elisse! I appreciate the kind words...😊
Where did you get the idea to use the patches for RLS?
I kinda gravitate towards things that help pain, especially chronic pain, since I know for myself opioids work for my RLS, but here in the US it is almost impossible to get drs to prescribe pain medicine. So I figured since these patches work for pain that maybe they might work for RLS. (fingers crossed)
Good creative thinking. Kratom works great for me but of course I'd rather not take anything. Just ordered some patches, am exited to see how well they work. Thanks for posting this.
Cindy
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