Hyland's

[Parable]

I bought Hyland's leg cramps quick dissolving tablets. This has relieved my RLS symptoms greatly. I have anemia and take the iron and ester C. I take the rest of my electrolyte supplements in liquid form. So for the moment all is GOOD! The bamboo compression stockings and $150.00 massager also help.

[Hidden]

I think it's really great that this combination of remedies is working for you. Great, and I hope the effect continues. As long as it dies I wouldn't want to suggest that it is anything but beneficial to you.

I am quite envious that you are having such benefit in fact.

My problem is I am quite a skeptic and find myself unable to accept anything without some objective evidence, rather than subjective experience. Subjective experience is so variable and in epistemological terms highly unre!iable.

For me I like to see that a particular remedy has been tested by randomd controlled clinical trial, ideally double blind trial and I have had comments that this means I am not broad minded. I'd also like to think that I'm not too easily parted from my money, of which I haven't a limitless supply, without some assurance of benefit.

[Parable in reply to Hidden]

I agree that clinical trials are essential. This remedy is $11.99 at Sprouts. I am pretty much willing to try anything for relief. I like to hear what anyone else has tried with or without relief.

[Hidden in reply to Parable]

I tend to be more cautious, I like to know things are going to work before I invest in them. The Hylands $11.99, the electrolyte supplements? The iron? The stockings? The massager $150. It all mounts up. Does any one of them work, do they all work separately or does it have to be the combination?

I agree that you should try anything for relief but I don't think you should do.it blindly.

The thing that worries me about, apparently, a lot of "supplements", herbal remedies and devices is that they seem to have sale pitches which are misleading, making unsubstantiated claims or appealing to.our irrational rather than logical side. Those trying to sell them know you will try anything for relief.

The other thing is, some of these things are unregulated and some potentially dangerous. Certainly messing about with electrolytes is risky, even if you don't have kidney problems. Furthermore why do you need supplements if you have an adequate diet?

Sorry, a little soap box rant. If it's all working for you and you're happy with it, just ignore me.

[Parable in reply to Hidden]

Thank You very much for iyour nsight. All very valid points.

[Oscarsaurus in reply to Hidden]

This herbal drug is saying no known interactions with drugs but do they really know this for sure ? Also i am wondering is this fast acting ? I am only asking you Manerva because i know that you would use this if it was. I am just thinking if it did really work then it would be perfect for my car and plane journeys

[Hidden in reply to Oscarsaurus]

I'm not the best person to ask about taking Hylands, I've never taken it and I have no intention of taking it. I'm not convinced of it's value.

In order to see if lt's safe to take any other medication alongside this remedy, it may be better to look at it the other way round i.e. don't look at the interactions for this remedy, look at the interaction information for the other medication. Not what's safe to take with the remedy, what is it safe to take with the medication.

[Hidden in reply to Oscarsaurus]

Second to that, you could ask the question, "how can you be sure of anything?"

Ultimately you can't, it's a matter of probably i.e.how confident are you that something is true.

"Truth" has an element of democracy about it. (A word that is apparently being misused in the UK).

If one person says something is true, you can only say it's true for that person. If lots of people, (that have no connection with each other), say something is true, it increases its probability of being true

However, if they do have a connection, it decreases the probability.

For example god, or gods do not exist because lots if people believe in them, if they do exist, their existence is independent of what anyone believes.

"Popular" beliefs can be very persuasive. So basically whatever people say is true is not particularly trustworthy, generally.

The other thing is you can't test everything for yourself so you DO have to rely on other sources of information.

So how do you judge the probability of something being credible?

You have to look at the source.

Simplisticly put the following is a list of possible sources of information in descending order of credibility from most credible to least credible.

1 evidence based articles published in scholarly journals

2 literature reviews of the above published in reputable journals.

3 information published by organisations with a good reputation for being objective, unbiased and discerning about the sources THEY use.

3 information written ( or given verbally) by reputable experts, (not self proclaimed experts), with evidence of their expertise.

4 some popular magazines or newspapers. Again depends on their sources.

5 social media

6 the personal opinion of individuals.

In general good sources are up to date and referenced.

I haven't included what I think of as very poor sources and may have missed some better ones.

Another factor is the ability of the user of the source to judge its credibility, to comprehend it correctly, to interpret it accurately and to apply it appropriately.

After all that it's a wonder that most people can ever truly know anything

In the end you have to make whatever judgement you can, try it, and if it works for you

then

it works for you.

Tell others of your experience, but don't try to "sell" it. Others have to make their own judgements.

I seem to have made a new rule for myself!

[nightdancer in reply to Parable]

One thing I do know is that Hyland's has been around for decades. If you look on their actual web site and search RLS, this stuff will pop up. It was only ever meant to be for leg cramps. The FDA in the US now has had them put a disclaimer on the page where they are sold, "This product is not to be used for treating Restless Legs Syndrome, and please consult your doctor". I am REALLY glad they seem to be helping you, but the list of ingredients is unremarkable and similar ones are sold under many names. But, whatever works!

[OFgc]

I see that they also have this for RLS (or so it seems)

iherb.com/pr/Hyland-s-Restf...

[Hidden]

I am going to just say, any of these type of products if you find they work for you will be a placebo effect, which an be strong . I am like Manerva, i have to see proper evidence that they work. . There are many many products out there, which all claim to relief RLS, all mostly money makers for the people who make them. Nothing wrong with a placebo effect, if it works for you then thats fine. I have even tried the soap under the sheet before now in the past , just in case that remedy would be the one to work, but nope nothing happened apart from nice smelling sheets and a bar of soap i could use for what it was intended for.

[Bajatom]

The box says safe and effective. I would agree with safe. By design, it is so diluted there is no active ingredient remaining. For some people, the placebo effect may make it effective, at least for a short time.

[nightdancer in reply to Bajatom]

I minored in chemistry in college, there is nothing in Hyland's that SHOULD work for RLS. There is a disclaimer the FDA made them put on the web site, and I agree with bajatom. There is not enough of anything in there, so they are not supposed to be advertising it for RLS. "All natural" does not mean 'all safe" sometimes.

[Sara_2611]

Sounds like a good plan

[marsha2306]

I use Hylands Restful Legs and they work very well.

[Polly711]

like the saying says what doesnt harm wont kill you dont hurt to try works wonders on me with some tight socks

[Icansawmyfeetoff]

I thought it was a miracle when I discovered Hylands, but sadly it stopped working quickly.