⚖️ Controlling your weight with daily feedback

[petabyte]

A lot of us here are on ADT and that can trigger fat gain. I thought I'd share how I manage it fairly successfully. I'm sure a lot of others do the same and maybe we can swap tips.

Although this works for me (I love measuring things) it may not work for you and it does rely on a fairly stable diet that can be adjusted slightly when needed. I never count calories and I don't forbid myself foods I like.

The technique uses daily weighing on a connected scale that can automatically plot values to show mid and long term trends. To make this work you need to accept daily fluctuations and not worry about them (easier said than done). Go slow! See below why.

This graph looks dramatic but check the axes. It is really between around 78 and 72.5 so 5.5 kg over 8 months, but with zero hardship and no hunger.

When I talk about weight I really mean body fat. Weight is mostly irrelevant, fat counts. Weight is sort of a biomarker for fat 😉. Weight change can be a poor proxy for fat change in some cases, for example with water retention.

My weight change each day can be up to 1 kg (2 pounds). It is almost impossible to gain (or lose) this amount of fat (you can easily calculate how many excess calories you need to consume - it is a lot). This additional weight is typically water in glycogen, but also undigested food. Some foods also increase water retention, wine does for me for example. Saturday/Sunday dinner used to include wine and my weight would always be up on Sunday morning but back to normal on Tuesday.

So, if my weight jumps up, I just think OK, very slight food intake adjustment that day, maybe skip a snack (hard, I know) or just do some extra exercise.

This is where the daily feedback helps with motivation and if you are looking forward to tomorrows measurement then this may work for you. Don't be surprised if instead it goes the other way for a day or even two!

Conversely, if the measurement drops a lot, I increase food a little that day to avoid rapid loss (see below). On a special occasion I just eat normally, try not to be obsessive.

My goal is very slight increases or decreases in weight over time.

Increases should actually be slower (while exercising) to avoid taking on too much fat without the time to build muscle.

Decreases must not be too rapid, otherwise you lose a higher proportion of muscle (both muscle and fat are lost with a calorie deficit).

The very worst thing you can do is bounce dieting. Losing weight quickly (fat + muscle) and then gaining the weight again (mostly fat). This is typical of fad or unsustainable diets.

Personally, I think the expensive body composition scales are not so useful, just ask to include body composition in your DEXA scan when measuring bone mineral density and then use your scale.

Tips:

• Invest in a scale with connectivity (it is not feasible to log this manually)

• put the scale where you won't forget it and can step on it when half asleep

• measure first thing in the morning (before eating/drinking)

• pee first (really important if you want body composition scales to be useful - I never use them)

• wear similar clothes - I just wear a sleeping tee shirt

The image above shows my weight while on treatment. I hadn't been managing my weight for a while, just doing regular lifting sessions at the Gym (carrying a few extra kilos allows you to handle more weight).

After diagnosis and when I had time to even think about it, I decided to get to a good weight and stay there. I started just after starting Orgovyx and just before RT.

In the beginning, losing 4 kg in 2 months was too fast. Part of this was the bad diet I was on for RT when I wasn't eating enough. I usually aim for 1kg per month or less.

After that I levelled off just under 75 and then decided I could lose a bit more and have levelled off between 72 and 73. I plan to stay here for 3 months and see after that. Perhaps I will drop another kilo or two. I have a DEXA scan coming up and will decide after that.

Hope it helps someone,

❤️ Mark

[ulfhbg]

Hi my friend !!

Fantastic result, especially while on Orgovyx, Abiraterone and Prednisolone 😁

I know you workout a lot. What type of different workout do you do, besides weight lifting then? 😅When working out, how do a workout week look like? 🫠

Any supplements to add to the workout efficacy, extra protein or just from the diet? 😀

Keep up the good work my friend 🙏

[petabyte in reply to ulfhbg]

Hi Ulf!

Workout a lot? Hmm, not sure about that🤔. Before Nov last year it was only 3 weight training sessions a week of maximum 1 hour. They are short but intense, I do 2 exercises at the same time and have no rest between the sets. I used to eat post workout whey with low fat milk, oats and fruit but I'm not sure whey is OK so switched to soy milk. So now just real food.

To start Abi, I had some cardiology consults and tests. The cardiologist recommended walking each day and she also approved intervals on an indoor bike which I like doing for the good feeling after it is over 😉.

Since then I walk every day (usually pretty fast) but typically the total for a day is less than 5k.

Intervals are once a week, either a 14 minute tabata session or a 20 minute classic interval session.

I don't think that's a lot. I'd like to run but my knees are not great (bike accident) and I'm a bit reckless to risk biking with osteopenia.

What do you do? Probably more than me I think!

BTW the one thing I really love is my recent fitness tracker! Gamification of exercise really suits me, I love measuring things and competing against myself.

[ulfhbg in reply to petabyte]

So 3 workout, I guess at gym

Brisk waking 5k fotsteps everyday

1 Tabatha / HIIT or intervall training

So every other day exercise and alway brish walks sounds very good 😅🏋️‍♀️

[petabyte in reply to ulfhbg]

Thanks for the TL;DR 😁. I do need to be more concise!

[Mgtd in reply to petabyte]

Do not let ulfhbg fool you. It is always easier to condense than to create. LOL!

[Murk]

Thank you for taking the time to write up. I gained 10 lbs while on Orgovyx which after 1 year hasn't come off. I believe the older you get, the less your weight is affected by exercising and more by intake / consumption. I ride a stationary bike 6 out of 7 days for 30 minutes along with dynamic and standard forms of stretching. Weight lifting regiment every other day.

Feeling great but the weight gain pisses me off and is enough to impact wardrobe LOL!

[Mgtd]

Thanks for that superb write up. I basically followed that same plan and like you over 15 to 18 months lost 10 pounds with one exception. No fancy scale.

The amazing thing is along the journey I became addicted to working out. I was never a couch potato but now I need a “fix” everyday regardless of the weather. Even bought snow shoes and poles.

It has a synergistic effect. The cross country skiers love me when I blaze a trail in new heavy snow. Even found a note with a diagram in my mailbox showing me the best trails for them.

[petabyte in reply to Mgtd]

Yeah, for exercise the most important thing is to find something you enjoy. I know I'm a bit strange but I've always enjoyed weight training. Or convince yourself you like it and forget the pain while doing it like HIIT.

I can imagine that you get hooked by heading out on virgin snow in snowshoes. Sounds amazing!

[dhccpa]

I changed diet seven months in to a whole food plant based diet. Dropped alcohol and processed packaged products. Have dropped 50 pounds over 5.5 years eating the quantities I want. I realize, though, that many won't want to do that.

Metabolically, though, it has been great for blood pressure, cholesterol, blood sugar, etc.

[petabyte in reply to dhccpa]

I should do that as well and I'm gradually heading in that direction but not there yet.

[Don717 in reply to dhccpa]

Excellent work guys! You guys have a bigger hill to climb than I did/do. No ADT here but I did much the same with diet...actually before I was diagnosed. I started with "healthy" eating back in 2017 when my urinary issues came to a peak. Thought it was because I was getting fat and happy and sit at a desk all day so I went on strictly fish, chicken and vegetables diet. Little did I know it was chronic prostatitis and PC! So between November of 2017 and now I'm down 70lbs. I run 6 days a week on a treadmill (IFIT), 2 miles each night and lift 3 days a week, rotate upper body vs lower body. The change in my blood panels is amazing. I'm almost 64 and am not on any maintenance drugs. I firmly blame my wife for this diversion in my physical condition ( was a competing P/L when we first started dating) over our 37 years. She says PC saved my life. She could be right.

[dhccpa in reply to Don717]

Sounds like a great change!

[wilcoxsaw]

When I want to lose weight, whether I'm on ADT or one of my breaks, I just eat less. Haven't gained any weight through 3 years of ADT since 2017. Also work out 2 hrs 3x weekly. Exercise does not take weight off me, eating less does anytime my weight creaps up.