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is dark chocolate good for us?

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I do not have a sweet tooth and for many years have preferred dark chocolate. My favourite is Lindt 90% cocoa, but more often I end up with a different brand and only 85% cocoa. I eat 10 g about twice a week. Out of curiosity I looked on the internet for information about dark chocolate. It seems to have a lot of potential benefits, including anti-inflammatory and gut health, although it is high in fat and sugar. Interestingly, 90% cocoa contains about half the sugar of 85%. Would it be a good idea to eat more? A friend who is diabetic gave me some 100% cocoa chocolate, which had no added sugar. I didn't like it, but found that melting it into a mug of hot milk made it palatable and a bit like cocoa.

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DorsetLady profile image
DorsetLadyPMRGCAuk volunteer

As you say plenty on line -and this from heart Uk

How to enjoy chocolate as part of a healthy diet

Although it’s not a health food, you can still enjoy dark chocolate and other types of chocolate as part of a healthy diet. The trick is to eat chocolate in moderation, perhaps a couple of squares, rather than a whole bar.

This might not sound enough, but a recent study has found that if you eat mindfully and really concentrate on enjoying the taste and feel, you get more satisfaction from smaller portions.

If you struggle to stop at two squares, dark chocolate might be a good option – it has a richer flavour and does seem to leave you feeling more satisfied by smaller portions compared to milk and white chocolate which are sweeter.

Although there is a lot of press about dark chocolate being healthier than other types of chocolate, our advice is to choose small amounts of the chocolate you prefer as part of a healthy balanced diet.

..and this from Zoe -

youtu.be/fVAWXYdF9R4?si=9oK...

Usual advice - all things in moderation 😊

Blackcat1M profile image
Blackcat1M in reply to DorsetLady

Thank you for this information, since having my HA I have cut all sweet treats from my diet.

I love dark chocolate and will now be having two squares after food🤗

DorsetLady profile image
DorsetLadyPMRGCAuk volunteer in reply to Blackcat1M

I love it as well… always have. Usually have a bar in the cupboard, but can go months without touching it, and then suddenly have a fancy for it!

Suffererc profile image
Suffererc in reply to Blackcat1M

I had a bar for two years without touching it. Then decided to have a small amount. 4 squares. Now it’s daily 😂🤣😂🤣😂

Blackcat1M profile image
Blackcat1M in reply to Suffererc

I do my best to have a good diet, fresh fruit and vegetables so, I think a little treat does us good even better if the experts agrees.

I had a friend who used to say everything in moderation and she lived to be 96 .🤗

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musicalJ in reply to DorsetLady

Thank you to you and all who have responded to my question. I found the Zoe video very interesting. My conclusion is that I will continue and possibly extend my current practice of eating 10 or (rarely) 20 g dark chocolate at the end of my main meal a couple of times a week, but will do more research to find the best chocolate to eat in the light of the Zoe video.

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DorsetLadyPMRGCAuk volunteer in reply to musicalJ

More research? Do you mean tasting ?😉.. that sounds like my sort of research… do let us know what you find ..

Actually a friend of mine who is a vegetarian recommended this site - does do dark chocolate as well - keep meaning to have a look - might need to check the fat content though as sugar is very low -

pureheavenly.com/?gad_sourc...

musicalJ profile image
musicalJ in reply to DorsetLady

By research I mean looking at the ingredients. The Zoe video said avoid vanilla and lecithin, both of which turn out to be present in the 2 makes of 85% cocoa that I have in the cupboard. Apparently their presence indicate that the chocolate has not been processed in a way that makes it good for you. I also want to know how much sugar is present, but I think it was the Zoe video that said sweeteners are not good for you. It's quite a minefield.

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PMRproAmbassador in reply to musicalJ

Just had a look - Lindt has both in one or other of my bars, The Ritter Sport 84% only has 3 ingredients but it seems they may have stopped making the Good Stuff as it has disappeared from the shelves in the village supermarket! Not amused as it was my favourite.

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GrandmaPirate in reply to DorsetLady

Dark chocolate contains serotonin. Eating daily a little bit of dark chocolate is much better than taking anti-depressive medication. In Belgium they did research in elderly people and a little bit of dark chocolate was as effective as anti-depressants without the negatieve aspecten of the last ones.

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DorsetLadyPMRGCAuk volunteer in reply to GrandmaPirate

Have a look at SnazzyD comment below though - All things in moderation

healthunlocked.com/pmrgcauk...

HeronNS profile image
HeronNS

If you researched on line I assume you have seen this item, which lists the various benefits of dark chocolate, including how much to eat for various conditions. It also mentions some drawbacks, for example some dark chocolate contains high levels of lead and cadmium. Like so many things, moderation appears to be the key.

medicalnewstoday.com/articl...

Interestingly, dark chocolate appears to contain more of the beneficial substances than berries like blueberries and acai. But maybe we can safely consume more of the berries, and more frequently, than chocolate, plus they'd be unprocessed foods, whereas cocoa beans go through a lot of processing before they reach us. Maybe a bit like being able to get major health benefits from eating grapes, but some people like to get those benefits from red wine - which comes with some drawbacks because of the processing.

As you can tell, I've found this question very interesting but haven't been able to pin down how many berries and/or grapes would be equivalent to the single square of dark chocolate I sometimes enjoy! 🍫🍇

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PMRproAmbassador

As I sit here with a glass of rose wine and a single square of dark chocolate with ginger ...

All things are relative - better for you than milk chocolate but not so good for you that you can eat it in unlimited quantities. Though like a good wholegrain German bread you are satisfied with a lot less!

piglette profile image
piglette

It is supposed to count as one of your five a day!

PMRpro profile image
PMRproAmbassador in reply to piglette

... by whom? Chocolate manufacturers?

piglette profile image
piglette in reply to PMRpro

It was actually a program on radio talking about the ‘five a day’ and saying you should aim to eat thirty or so different items a week. They were saying that things like nuts and seeds should also count as part of the different ‘five a day’. The chocolate had to be the pure dark chocolate. I think it may have had something to do with Dr Tim Spector who keeps going on about eating over thirty different items a week.

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Shiv14 in reply to piglette

My husband thinks a bar of fruit and nut chocolate should count as two of his 5 a day🤣

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DorsetLadyPMRGCAuk volunteer in reply to Shiv14

Luv it! Know a few who think the same…😊

piglette profile image
piglette in reply to Shiv14

Very sensible! Does he think chips should count as one of them too?

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HeronNS in reply to piglette

What quantity? A square? What regular fruit or vegetable would it be equivalent to? I just looked up your UK "five a day" and an average serving of fruit or veg is 80 mg. Also this: dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech...

Chocolate for Mesoamericans was an ingredient mixed with chilies and other flavourful items to make "bitter drink"enjoyed by the upper echelon of society. Plebes apparently not entitled to have a drink fit for the gods (although I bet most of us modern folk would think it tasted vile!).

PMRpro profile image
PMRproAmbassador in reply to HeronNS

Lindt does a very palatable chilli flavoured dark chocolate :)

piglette profile image
piglette in reply to PMRpro

Chili and chocolate goes incredibly well together I think. That would be two of your five a day.

HeronNS profile image
HeronNS in reply to PMRpro

True. But it's only delicious because it's sweet!

PMRpro profile image
PMRproAmbassador in reply to HeronNS

I'm not sure I would describe it as sweet.

HeronNS profile image
HeronNS in reply to PMRpro

I'm sure it has sugar in it like any other Lindt bar. ;)

piglette profile image
piglette in reply to HeronNS

They did not mention the amount. I suppose you could have it in something you have cooked. When I was in Mexico I had a lovely dish with chicken in chocolate.

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PMRproAmbassador in reply to piglette

Venison and chocolate go well together ...

piglette profile image
piglette in reply to PMRpro

Chocolate and chocolate isn’t bad either!

piglette profile image
piglette in reply to PMRpro

I also like cheese and chocolate.

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PMRproAmbassador in reply to piglette

So do I. Cheese and mincepies too ...

piglette profile image
piglette in reply to PMRpro

I have just done the fermented research with Tim Spector with things like Keffir and Kimchi. He was encouraging people to make their own fermented foods. We decided that as wine is fermented it should be included!

HeronNS profile image
HeronNS in reply to piglette

We tried making that dish once but perhaps the recipe was poor or we did a bad job but we hated it. It may have been with turkey, not chicken. Half a century ago....

piglette profile image
piglette in reply to HeronNS

I let the restaurant make it!

HeronNS profile image
HeronNS in reply to piglette

Of course, you were getting the local cuisine! Makes sense they'd have done it well. :) We probably didn't, in darkest Canada around 1970, have the best approximation of authentic ingredients.

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Sillydogsmum

Honey and nuts are so good for one......esp if covered in a certain Swiss confection.

Kendrew profile image
Kendrew

I have a sweet tooth but as sugar is off the menu (almost!) I still like a small daily treat. So.....I have a piece of 100% cocoa solid chocolate from that well known high street store - 'Magic & Sparkle'!

One piece is enough....as Pro said.... if savoured slowly, an adequate amount of satisfaction and enjoyment is experienced.

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Blackcat1M in reply to Kendrew

Please may I ask the name of the chocolate (if allowed) from ‘Magic and Sparkle’ 🤗

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Kendrew in reply to Blackcat1M

I've private messaged you

Sharitone profile image
Sharitone

I like the No added sugar dark chocolate form Sainsbury's. Contains sweeteners though (maltitol and lactitol). 70% cocoa minimum.

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Nessie87 in reply to Sharitone

Maltitol, sorbitol etc are sugar too actually

SnazzyD profile image
SnazzyD

While on Pred I ate 85%+ chocolate daily as my only sweet treat. Only a couple of squares. One night my pulse rate was too high, I was sweating and I couldn’t sleep. As I contemplated whether to call an ambulance I realised that for a few months I had had milder episodes like this at the same relative to my event meal. I don’t know why but I looked up theobromine in chocolate. The penny dropped that it was the chocolate and perhaps it was being potentiated by the Pred. After years of eating dark choc I can no longer have more than a nibble if I want to go to sleep and avoid feeling unwell. I seem to have become over sensitive. So I wouldn’t say more is necessarily better.

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Posey1

I eat a square a day of J D Gross 85% Dark Chocolate. I have only ever seen this in Lidl. It is very reasonably priced. If you have a Lidl app it is often on their 15% off weekly offers. That's when I stock up! Lovely with my morning coffee...decaff of course. Best wishes.

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Oh-my

My dentist recommended very dark chocolate as it’s second to fluoride for protecting teeth. Had to google it to believe her. Love the very dark chocolate (85-90%) so it’s a big bonus as I have had to cut out so many other things in my diet. I have a square after my meals.

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Francesbarbara

There is a delicious drink sometimes called Parisian Hot Chocolate, using a bitter dark chocolate, like the one you mention. It is chopped up and added to hot (not boiling) full cream milk and then you add brown sugar - a little at a time until you get the level of sweetness you prefer. Use it as a treat, so you are not overdoing the use of dark choc. Delicious.

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PMRproAmbassador in reply to Francesbarbara

I'd rather a bit more dark chocolate rather than add the sugar - whether it is brown or not, it is still sugar.

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Francesbarbara in reply to PMRpro

Point taken.

AshPen9 profile image
AshPen9

I'm a real chocaholic musicalJ, all things milk chocolate easily my downfall. However, in an attempt to eat more healthily I too have taken up dark chocolate and have found that I have got used to it, and that 2 squares (of Lindt 85%) is enough. 90% a step too far for me! As others have said, all things in moderation. I keep a block in the fridge but sometimes it's there for weeks.

Dochaz profile image
Dochaz in reply to AshPen9

Room temperature, PLEASE! Unless you're in the tropics.

AshPen9 profile image
AshPen9 in reply to Dochaz

Noooo!

Dochaz profile image
Dochaz in reply to AshPen9

But why? It tastes much better at room temperature, all the flavour! I actually break my squares in 4 pieces, take a mouthful of hot coffee, pop a quarter square in and let it melt on my tongue. Heaven!

DorsetLady profile image
DorsetLadyPMRGCAuk volunteer in reply to Dochaz

With you on that one -

manoachocolate.com/blogs/be....

AshPen9 profile image
AshPen9 in reply to Dochaz

Well, I will try, but it lasts much longer if cold and you can nibble little bits off it!!

HeronNS profile image
HeronNS in reply to AshPen9

Exactly. Cold chocolate in your mouth warms up if you just hold it there and enjoy it as it melts.... Prolongs the pleasure. 😋

Dochaz profile image
Dochaz

For me, it's 2 squares (20 gr) with my after lunch coffee and 2 more in the evening, so maybe a lot, but I take no sugar in my coffee, never eat desserts and have drastically cut carbs since starting on Pred. I think the benefits outweigh the negatives. My go to brand is Ethiquable Madagascar 85%, not sure that's available in UK. You need to keep some pleasures in life! 🍫

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Freshairfiend

Hallo

I’m new to this forum and really appreciate it. I was diagnosed with PMR two days ago and am on prednisolone, so early days….I’ve eaten Lindt 90% for 5-6 years now. I find it a useful way of of having something that feels quite filling mid morning or afternoon. Probably just one square, but sometimes two. I went on a diet 6 years ago, the blood sugar diet with Michael Mosley. It’s online and in book form. It suited me because it was Mediterranean, so high protein, high fat, low sugar. I lost three stone and have maintained the weight loss. The Lindt chocolate is now an essential part of my daily food intake. I try not to eat it after about 4pm, because of the caffeine.

I’ve no idea about other health benefits, for me it’s the very low sugar/carb content that appeals, as it’s that that puts weight on for me. Maybe just eat what feels right for you and your sort of diet?

I occasionally have it with Montezuma 100% chocolate that has orange bits in it, but have gone off that recently. Still, if you can take the 100% chocolate, montezuma with orange bits tastes nicer than their pure black and has no more sugar.

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Louisepenygraig

I have tesco 85% dark chocolate every morning although I prefer 90% if I can get it. I usually eat less than a square which is usually enough to satisfy any chocolate cravings. Since reading Tim Spector's book I've now added a very small handful of mixed nuts to make up the number of plant based foods I eat in a day.

HeronNS profile image
HeronNS

The librarian in me has got the better of me so here you go, everyone:

damecacao.com/about-dame-ca...

Anic profile image
Anic

Loving the chatter on this topic👏i love dark chocolate and 90% Lindt is a fav. We have 95% in Australia too and do have it now and again. Im one of those who can stop at one or two squares and not have any for a week or more. I may start to have it maybe once a week to collect on the benefits🤷‍♀️

Stills profile image
Stills

I have two squares 85% each night 😀

Nagswoman profile image
Nagswoman

Look up Theobromine. Never give chocolate to dogs.

Pr0jection profile image
Pr0jection

I buy the Lidl 85% dark chocolate and have two large squares every evening after my meal. It seems to settle me down before I go to bed.

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