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Tips for application for PIP and Attendance Allowance

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In a previous life i used to help making applications for the then Disability Living Allowance - not called PIP ( Personal Independence Payment. I have recently made a successful claim for the Attendance Allowance for my OH. I have recently replied to a post on the Forum and as a result was asked to write some tips of a more general nature.

Here goes.

1. PIP is for people under 65. And attendance Allowance for those over 65. These allowances are to help you in your daily life. They are not means tested. They are not counted as part of your income. You do not have to declare them to HMRC.

2. If you decide to make a claim, and I would suggest that by the sounds of some of the difficulties many of you describe as part of your daily life then you may be entitled to receive them. PIP is not given for life so it doesn't matter if you think you might get better - which of course you don't need to mention of your application. If you are successful in a claim you only have to tell them that your circumstances have changed whether that be better or worse!

3. You can find examples of the forms and there are sites which explain what the questions are getting at. BUT DO NOT download an application form. Telephone the DWP for an application. Your claim starts from the time you request your form ie the time you telephone them to the time they receive your form is part of your claim. If you download a form your claim starts when thy have received your completed form. And return the form tracked Royal Mail.

4. The form arrives. You have 3 weeks t complete and return it to them. During this time get any info about meds, diagnosis. If you are hoping to claim for anxiety/stress/brain fog etc or any other mental health condition then get it recorded in your medical notes if it isn't already. we can all get stressed and anxious but if it is really affecting your daily living then that counts.

5. Now you have to become a "can't person" this is actually quite difficult because we get so used to struggling, but you need to concentrate on the things you need help with, You need to stress that these needs are frequent or every day. Never say occasionally. For instance my OH has collapsed in the shower several times - but it could happen any time so his needs for someone to be around are regular and frequent.

6. So regular, frequent - you can be more specific if it is everyday or several times a week then say so.

7 You may need "prompting" "support" "guidance" One of the questions is about eating and making meals. Do you need help opening tins, taking things out of the oven, lifting. reaching, Think about what you used to be able to do and what you can't do now.

My OH wasn't asked to attend an interview either in person or on the phone - I think at 83 and still standing, just about, then he was a cert. I think for PIP there is always an interview by phone or in person.

When you are intending to apply. Be Prepared. If you can get someone to help you with the form -you can get someone else to fill it in for you. Others can often see what we don't see in ourselves.

PIP has a mobility component and below you can see how many points you need to get for either the higher or the lower r

Below is info from The Citizens' Advice Bureau This tells you what questions will be on the form and the scoring system. Yes you have to get points. The don't give you the tips I've given you above.

This information of course can change.

MamaBeagle 17/05/2022

How the DWP makes a decision on PIP claims

This advice applies to England

When you're assessed for Personal independence Payment (PIP), a health professional will look at your ability to carry out a range of daily living activities and mobility activities. The health professional will consider whether your health condition or disability limits your ability to carry out the activities and how much help you need with them.

The health professional will write a report for the Department for Work and Pensions (DWP). A DWP decision maker will then decide whether you're entitled to PIP, at what rate and for how long.

PIP is made up of 2 parts, the daily living component and the mobility component. Each component can be paid at one of 2 rates, either the standard rate or the enhanced rate.

If the DWP decision maker decides that your ability to carry out the component is limited, you will get the standard rate. If it’s severely limited, you will get the enhanced rate.

The daily living activities

To get the daily living component of PIP, you must have a physical or mental condition that limits your ability to carry out some or all of these activities:

preparing food

eating and drinking

managing your treatments

washing and bathing

managing toilet needs or incontinence

dressing and undressing

communicating verbally

reading and understanding written information

mixing with others

making decisions about money

The mobility activities

To get the mobility component of PIP, you must have a physical or mental condition that limits your ability to carry out some or all of these activities:

planning and following journeys

moving around

The descriptors

Your ability to carry out each activity is measured against a list of standard statements describing what you can or can’t do. These are known as the descriptors. The health professional will advise the DWP which descriptor applies to you for each activity.

For example, there are 6 descriptors for ‘Dressing and undressing’, ranging from ‘Can dress and undress unaided’ to ‘Cannot dress or undress at all’.

Each descriptor carries a points score ranging from 0 to 12.

Download: Table of activities, descriptors and points [ 1.3 mb]

Download: Guide to the language used in the activities and descriptors [ 49 kb]

Can you carry out the activities reliably

When the assessor decides which descriptor applies to you, they must consider whether you can carry out the activity reliably. This means:

safely in a way that is unlikely to cause harm either to you or anyone else, either during the activity or afterwards

to an acceptable standard

repeatedly as often as is reasonably required

in a reasonable time period - should take you no more than twice as long someone without your condition

Using aids or appliances

Your ability to carry out the daily living activities and the mobility activities will be assessed as if you were wearing or using any aids or appliances that it would be reasonable for you to use. This applies whether or not you normally use those aids or appliances. However, if you use or need aids and appliances, this can help you to score more points.

An aid is any item which improves, provides or replaces impaired physical or mental function. It doesn’t have to be specially designed as a disability aid. Examples include a stool you need to sit on when cooking, or a walking stick to help you stand.

Scoring your abilities

The DWP will add together your points from all the daily living and mobility activities.

Find out how much you can get for each component of PIP.

Check what the daily living scores mean

If you get between 8 and 11 points in total, you’ll get the daily living component of PIP at the standard rate.

If you get at least 12 points in total, you’ll get the daily living component at the enhanced rate.

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MrsNails profile image
MrsNails

Thank You for this - l’ll add it to FAQ’s

Once again Thank You 🙏🏼

MamaBeagle profile image
MamaBeagle in reply toMrsNails

No probs - would've done it sooner only struck down with a UTI and feeling s**t....on the mend now. tested and GP call and prescrition all on the same day!!!!

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MrsNails in reply toMamaBeagle

Hope you feel much better soon 🌸It’s in FAQ’s now 🙏🏼

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PMRproAmbassador

Brillliant!!! Thank you

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piglette

If you're already getting PIP, it will continue when you reach State Pension age, but you won't be able to get Attendance Allowance if you already get PIP.

MamaBeagle profile image
MamaBeagle in reply topiglette

Yes but it also depends how long they give it for and if you are successful at renewing it. And sadly no mobility component in the Attendance Allowance, they must expect us all to be hobbling about at 65 and that be normal!!!

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jinasc

I like your post, went to click on it - only showed unlike after 5 mins I gave up.

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MamaBeagle in reply tojinasc

🤷🥰

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SheffieldJane

Thank you for taking the trouble to document this. 🌈

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MamaBeagle in reply toSheffieldJane

No probs SJ I just hope it helps someone.

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Nextoneplease

Hi MamaBeagle 😊

Really helpful post, thank you so much. I’ve filled in many such forms with people in the past, in various roles, and I think your tips are excellent. Many thanks to you xx

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Broseley

Thank you for this, getting a PIP is a minefield! Please could you edit DHSS early in the post to DWP? Just to save confusion. Re mobility, presumably evidence from a physio would help, e.g. if they decided you needed crutches as mine did?

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MamaBeagle in reply toBroseley

Thanks for that. I'll edit and if you find any other errors do tell me I'm not a benefits adviser by any means. Can you answer jackdaw below. My understanding is that if you receive PiP for life as she has she can can keep her mobility component as she says but only claim an increase due to increased needs if that claim is made before retirement age🤔

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Broseley in reply toMamaBeagle

I'm sorry I can't answer Jackdaw's question. I have no experience of PIP other than through friends who have applied.

Sorry not edited (point 3)

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MamaBeagle in reply toBroseley

Edited now Bros. Thanks to help of DL 👍

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MamaBeagle in reply toBroseley

Edited...I hope!

JJackdaw profile image
JJackdaw

My pip has no end date. I’m 70 and my mobility has worsened, plus I’ve had an ileostomy to enjoy along with all the other nasties I have to endure. I was told that I have to inform dwp but will I lose my existing claim because of my age? I get high rate living but standard mobility rate. I’m now in constant pain and I can only manage a few steps before I can’t breathe, my legs weaken and buckle and I have to sit down or fall down. Every day I’m going to ring them but my head won’t let me. I’ve been housebound for two years because I’m so afraid to go out because of everything that’s going on with me. Any advice would be welcome.

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Mgt1234 in reply toJJackdaw

Hi,

Please check out the following forum, as there are experts who oversee the forum and may be able to answer your question. Good luck. I do hope you soon feel better. 🙏🏻❤️

benefitsandwork.co.uk/forum

Margaret

JJackdaw profile image
JJackdaw in reply toMgt1234

Thank you.

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MamaBeagle in reply toJJackdaw

Hi JJ, .no benefits expert but I know you are expected to inform them if your condition gets better or worse. I would suggest you get in touch with your local Age UK or CAB who may have advisers to help you. Your Local Authority may help towards the cost of any adaptations you need in the home. Definitely speak to your GP if you haven't already done so about getting your pain under some sort of control. Good luck.

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JJackdaw in reply toMamaBeagle

Many thanks for your reply, I will take your advice and contact the necessary.

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Sharitone in reply toJJackdaw

No, JJ, you will not lose your PIP provided you still have the same level of disability as you had when awarded it. However, just as you cannot make a new claim after state retirement age, you cannot get a higher level of the mobility component. This is presumably because new claimants over 66 (currently) can only have AA which has no mobility component. Of course the mobility component, whether standard or enhanced, is intended to help you pay for help in getting out. I'm not quite sure why you have been told you need to notify the DWP, as there is no improvement in your condition, and you cannot get a higher award.I hope you are getting any extra benefits you are entitled to. You can check here:

citizensadvice.org.uk/benef...

Another source of help might be your GP. It may be that an Occupational Therapist could help you deal with your mobility issues.

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JJackdaw in reply toSharitone

Thanks for reply and help advice. It’s said on the letter I had in April that I had to inform them if my condition gets better or worse, well now I can barely walk a few steps, I’m in constant pain and can’t breathe when standing or laying down. I can’t even get a blue badge for when I have hospital appointment so my son can park nearby. I don’t know whether I’m coming or going these days, there’s just no help available. I rang doctors yesterday and they told me to ring back Monday to make an appointment to make an appointment to talk to doctor on phone! Your reading it right, an appointment to make appointment, have you ever heard such tripe?

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Sharitone in reply toJJackdaw

I don't understand why you cannot have a blue badge.citizensadvice.org.uk/advis...

You'll see here that 'You’re automatically eligible for a Blue Badge if you either:

scored 8 points or more in the ‘moving around’ area of your PIP assessment...'

you must have scored at least 8 points in your PIP assessment to have been awarded the mobility component.

If somebody is being obstructive in giving it to you, you could contact your local Citizens Advice -their number will be online, and some even give advice by email - to get help with applying or sorting out an application that is being wrongly turned down.

I really hope you can get this, as you it will make such a difference to you.🙂

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JJackdaw in reply toSharitone

I have had a blue badge for years and my last one expired April 2021 I applied to renew it and was told because I do not get the higher rate of mobility I can’t have one. All this messing about is wearing me down and I’ve fast losing the will to fight anymore.

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DorsetLadyPMRGCAuk volunteer in reply toJJackdaw

Rubbish! Or local rules/jobs worth …I had BB - because of arthritis-never had any other mobility payments

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JJackdaw in reply toDorsetLady

I didn’t have mobility payments when I first had blue badge. I’ve had one for years! It’s just they wont renew my last one. I’m live in wales so I don’t know if the system is the same all over the country, it should be.

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DorsetLadyPMRGCAuk volunteer in reply toJJackdaw

It should by the same criteria - mine was/is done via local council in Dorset.

Just looked -if you get higher rate of mobility you get it automatically.

However if you don’t get it automatically , you can still apply but will need to answer questions about your mobility, Which it what I’ve done in the past.

Think you were misled -it’s not you can’t have one, it just not awarded automatically.

Although rules may be different in Wales, but with checking.

JJackdaw profile image
JJackdaw in reply toDorsetLady

Yes, I won’t let it go. It’s a godsend to me that little blue badge.

Sharitone profile image
Sharitone in reply toJJackdaw

If you look at the link I gave you, you'll see that you automatically qualify for it, so there is no argument. If you don't want to get someone else to help, you could print out that page and send it to the council, along with a copy of your PIP award, where is says you have 8 (or more) points. If that doesn't work, your MP should be abler to sort it out for you.

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JJackdaw in reply toSharitone

Many thanks for your help.

Mgt1234 profile image
Mgt1234

Thank you so much for taking time to help others. I will certainly share your information.

❤️ Margaret

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herdysheep

Wow, that must have taken a while, but is very helpful. Many thanks and hope you feel better soon

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MamaBeagle in reply toherdysheep

Thank you. No problem. Just hope it really helps someone. Antibiotics worked so far.....but only 3 days worth so hope that is enough to keep the bugsnat bay🤞

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Sharitone

1. Until recently, helping people with PIP appeals was my job. and I have posted about it before. I hope you won't mind my making a few comments:The eligibility for PIP ends at state retirement age, currently 66 - unless you already get it, in which case you remain eligible all the time you have the same level of disability due to the same causes. But after 66, you can only get an increase in the daily living component, not mobility.

2. You have to have a qualifying level of disability for at least 3 months before becoming eligible, and there must be an expectation that you will continue to be at this level for at least 9 more months. This is the potential downfall for many of us!

3. You have a month to return the form.

4. The assessment by the health professional is usual, but not always necessary, if there is conclusive medical evidence. This is probably the stickiest part of the process. However pleasant the HP is, it is essential a hostile process, where s(he) is trying to prove you are not eligible. The most common reason for asking for a Mandatory Reconsideration, or appeal, is that 'the HP did not take sufficient account of the impact my health condition has on my life'

For this reason, it is always a good idea to take someone with you who knows you well. They may remember to mention things that you would have forgotten yourself - bearing in mind that the HP may deliberately avoid getting some info from you, and also as a witness to what was -= and wasn't - said.

I believe I have posted before the guidance for filling in PIP forms and the point scoring. Here they are again:

gov.uk/government/publicati...

and

citizensadvice.org.uk/Globa...

It is always better to go back to up-to-date information online, eg Citizens Advice, or Gov.uk, because regulations can change form one week to the next, making our experience obsolete.

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MamaBeagle in reply toSharitone

Great. Thanks. I think I mentioned the age implications for PiP and AA Any chance you can help jackdaws.

Jackdaw is only 63 and getting PIP.

As for blue badges..I really don't know much about them 🤷

Cheers

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Sharitone in reply toMamaBeagle

Yes, I have replied to her... though I think she has got a bit older now. Shame, because 63 would have meant she could have got the Enhanced Mobility!But anyone who wants he4lp is welcome to ask... I've still got access to the advisers' extra information🙂

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MamaBeagle in reply toSharitone

Great stuff. I was really aiming to help people prepare and to be one that can't person. It's so easy to become accustomed to coping with your disability/disabilities that they become your norm! I have a neighbour who applied for PIP, included his stress and anxiety as apart of his claim, but had never talked to a GP, or any other professional. Lost his claim as all that was dismissed as no evidence🤷

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Cally-Jay

Thank you for taking the time to post this, it’s very helpful x

TandemTime profile image
TandemTime

I have worked with PIP claimants for 10 years on reception until a year ago. This is very helpful post. What I saw was some very brave and unwell people in very tricky circumstances being composed ready for their interview and getting on with their lives as best they could.

There we others who were sadly just their to claim, ie a lot of 'ooo ahh my back, no I can't sit there' but on leaving get into a low slung sports car..

Evidence was essential of what the person did about their situation. Joining a group like this is evidence in my personal view as its a support group. Along with medical evidence etc brief diary notes of visits to the Drs etc if they are not available on line ( I did a lot of scanning of evidence!) . If you feel depressed what did you do to help yourself? Joined xxxx support group...Dr advised a course which I completed.

We had a roofer who fell off a roof lost both legs high up and he was in a wheelchair. However he still carried on his life doing everything apart from aspects of the physical job running a small team of roofers. The Heath professional was struggling as he was doing so much, running his business, taking kids to school etc. I know they found him amazing and were desperate to make sure his claim was fair for him. It's not the illness you have but how it effects you. ... and what evidence you have to show that.

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DorsetLadyPMRGCAuk volunteer in reply toTandemTime

Not sure if you realised but this post is 2 years old… and your reply is only like to be be seen by author, PMRpro and myself [as we save all posts so get notifications of all replies].

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MamaBeagle

I remember it well DL. But that reply came as aa new alert and only posted1hr ago.

TandemTime profile image
TandemTime

Ooo sorry I am causing a bit of havoc on the system... need to learn my way around and not post to old threads!

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Sophiestree in reply toTandemTime

it was an interesting post. So I'm guessing the poor roofer didn't get much as he was so motivated to keep going. My friend's husband was the same but luckily the person assessing him could see he was not capable of doing much even though he was saying he could 'manage' the stairs.

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DorsetLadyPMRGCAuk volunteer in reply toTandemTime

Not a problem… it’s just that most won’t have it saved, so won’t see your reply.

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TandemTime

I think all was well at a guess as the Health Practitioner was on the case to help!

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