I have looked for it but cannot find it....anyone?
Thanks in advance.
Whitefish
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Sorry to be annoying - can't find link that says milk does not have much calcium in it....
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Milk DOES have plenty of calcium in it - whatever you are looking for probably doesn't say that.
It said something like as adults we cannot absorb the calcium from milk.
Ah - that isn't the same thing. I think HeronNS is your most likely bet to know.
Also, low fat milks are less useful because they contain less of the fat soluble vitamin D3 that is vital for calcium absorption.
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Well thank goodness for that, I drink a pint each day for calcium
But at least semi-skimmed I trust? Needs a small amount of fat to transport the calcium.
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Yes 🥛
Why must it be semi- skimmed?
At least semi-skimmed - so there is some fat present to transport the calcium from the gut. The lack of fat in zero fat products reduces the absorption.
Oh! I thought you were against "full" milk - 3.5%. I drink at least two glasses per day - my favourite drink.
No, I'm agin skimmed milk, that stuff that is worse than water!!! 3.5% fat is hardly a high fat product is it? It just doesn't taste right in tea ...
That's where I am very 'un English'. I drink tea without milk and sugar.
Sugar in tea is disgusting. Tea without milk is a different drink ...
No - it's the 'real' drink!🤪
Do you find most of your products are Italian or German?
Do you have to use Italian often?
The vast majority of products in the Big Spar are Italian - they really do go for Italian produce if it is available. All the milk products I buy are local - milk comes from cows that live on the local mountain farms and fed with only grass or hay. I don't need Italian language skills, 95% of the locals here are registered as native German speakers. Unfortunately Big Spar now has an Italian manager after the local guy retired and he tends to take on a lot of Italian speaking staff which the local staff and customers hate! Stops us complaining I suppose ... OTOH, I also shop at MPreis, an Austrian chain.
Hi Constance13, Totally agree about it being the REAL DRINK. haven't drunk tea with M&S since returning from spending 6 months in Norway drinking either lemon tea or just plain tea back in 1967. Tried a cup of "English" tea on my return as it tasted so foul that I've NOT taken it since
Excellent. Thanks very much. How are you doing? I hope you have some nice friends that are looking after you.
My friends are all over the world so a bit restricted but I have nice neighbours who always speak even though they don't do much practically. I'm enjoying keeping to "my" timetable for the first time for years. And being able to sit down and know I won't be called to do something in a couple of minutes. It'll take a while to catch up on the lost sleep though.
Are you alone most of the time? Do you have no help at all?
A cleaning woman once a week for an hour - who didn't appear today!!! But yes - no-one here.
Hmmm! All of a sudden too much time on your hands. No doubt, however, in a very short time you will wonder how the time goes by so quickly.
Not at all - I am very comfortable with my own company and the forum keeps me busy just like it did through Covid before OH needed constant care. Until the last month he was doing everything as normal just couldn't get food or drink which meant I didn't have that much demand on me as long as I was here. As for time flying - the cleaner was due today and it really didn't feel like a week. She didn't appear though and that is fine - I think there are better conditions for the roomba now I have had a rearrange. That is her main duty, vacuuming, changing bed covers and cleaning bathrooms/the kitchen and floors, The things that kill my back
Ha ha! I like it - roomba - sounds like you're going to dance around the flat (instead of sitting there and letting it do it's work). 🤪
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Being comfortable with your own company is essential in my humble opinion to ones happiness. When I lived alone for a number of years after a traumatic relationship ended I used to go to the cinema or theatre on my own and people always assumed I was waiting for someone and couldn’t accept the available seat next to me. I know we are social creatures but we can be that - and stand alone. Good for you.
Thank you
Yes, that was my experience too after my husband died. I needed lots of undisturbed time in my own company to recover and reflect. I kept busy with my own work and the inevitable sorting through my husband's papers etc. Was taken out to lunch weekly by friends and I took many long walks alone. Grieving is a slow process- no point in hurrying it. Bit like PMR/GCA in that sense. Forever grateful for you being a stalwart member of the forum with all your clear advice despite your own troubles. Keep very well.
It's been a while since I read up on it, so my knowledge is rusty, but I believe fermented dairy is more useful to adults than liquid milk. Yoghurt, kefir, some cheeses. It is to do with the absorption of calcium, but part of the reason is the presence of Vitamin K2 in fermented foods which enables our body to send calcium into the bones. Vitamin D cannot do that.
Also I don't think D is naturally found in milk. It's fortified in some places, including Canada where I live, to prevent rickets in children.
Great. I must let my mother in law know. Thank you.
Above all - if you use milk and dairy products, DON'T use zero fat versions as the fat is needed to absorb the calcium. The claimed "higher calcium content" of zero fat products is purely arithmetic!
Great. Skim milk in coffee is yuck. Like white water.
My feelings exactly - and it isn't healthy 
Milk does have calcium in it BUT it is not bio available owing to the homgenisation process. I learned this when I started making my own cheese.
Homogenised milk, which has been imposed on us because it prolongs shelf life, is not the natural product the food industry would have us believe - it is highly processed. Cheese is a better, more dependable source of calcium as its presence is required for the making of it.
Some of the Channel Island milk in supermarkets is unhomogenised and just pasteurised eg in Tesco. Morrisons stocks Channel Island milk in very similar bottles which is homogenised.
Sainsburys has started stocking a range of milk from a particular farm which provides milk which is just pasteurised.
I would recommend that you read the labels, but even those do not always admit that the homogenisation process has taken place. Look for the label that specifically says "UN homgenised" If you do a bit of googling, you might find that there is a farm not too far away which sells raw or just pasteurised milk "at the gate".
Brilliant info Sennetta. Thank you.
I suspect the calcium problem with calcium in homogenised milk may not be as relevant to absorption of dietary calcium - it can't attach to the proteins to be available to the curd for cheese because they are too small as a result of the homogenisation process. It also affects the vit D and that is an essential for absorption of calcium. The problem is greater with UHT milk.
My mother-in-law (I have two) says her doctor tells her she must drink milk for her osteoporosis. I tried to tell her there are better sources but she insisted. She eats an excellent diet and gets injections twice a year for it. She lives in Bruxelles.
You obviously haven't a clue 
My biological scientist daughter's ex-BFs mother insisted on drinking skimmed milk - despite my daughter telling her it wasn't the best thing to drink for bones. Can't see the point of it - doesn't even taste good!
Absolutely. My sister in law drinks it with ice. Ew.
Maybe that dulls the taste buds?????
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I enjoy my milk at room temperature.When I had my sons 30+ years ago there was a chilled milk dispenser on the ward and we were encouraged to drink plenty.
100+ years ago a relative died of TB contracted from milk straight from the cow so to speak but I suspect diagnosis were less accurate back then.
My first experience of milk was straight from the cow - and I still don't like chilled milk particularly!
Naturopathic advice says that: Milk provides 243 mg calcium per 200 ml. Absorption is about 32%. Kale provides 61mg per serving with absorption rate of 50%. Animal products (including milk) are known to be 'acidic' (acid/alkaline balance). When the blood is more acidic than the optimal pH 7.35-7.45 it pulls calcium out of the bones to buffer the acidity. Thus animal products are not good for maintaining bone mineral density.
All interesting. Thx.
Acid-base balance was always one of my bete-noires but the main mechanisms for adjustig body pH does NOT include calcium being removed from the bones so I'm not sure where you got that information. You would be seriously ill long before you got to that state.
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I just copied it from a naturopathy advice sheet. Most naturopaths and nutritionists say the same thing. I can't find any links to research though.
I fear a lot of naturopath and nutritionists don't have any scientific/medical training and you don't have to have any qualifications to call yourself either. While I am sure there are good ones, there are a lot out there who are just out there to take advantage of honest folk who really do want to look after themsleves. Unfortunately, they end up taking care of the vendor's bank balance.
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