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Carbohydrates and Atrial Fibrillation

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Little item in our local rag led me to this:

medscape.com/viewarticle/91...

Also interested to see most of the publications high up on the google search were reliable sources we often refer to, but this was also very high on the list:

dietdoctor.com/inaccurate-n...

(These two items were in fact one and two on the search I just did, although of course things on google are constantly changing.)

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Ruadh

I have noticed a small flutter of articles written in the same vein. The comments were interesting, consensus being, politics not science behind the article (politics and the food industry.)

A link to one of the side articles was more to the current findings : medscape.com/viewarticle/90...

'The Latest Attack on Low-Carb Diets: Science or Politics?'

Interestingly, in 2016 Dr. Gary Fettke, an orthtopaedic surgeon in Australia, was hauled over the coals for 'daring to advise' the diabetic patients that were being referred to him that if they went on the LCHF diet (low carb high fat - carbs in this case, being the nutritionally deficient highly processed carbs). To cutting down sugars and processed foods, then that could save their leg from being amputated. He was severely censored and sanctioned for stepping out of line, and told to keep to his sphere of expertise, surgery, or, he would be stripped of his licence ! There was a huge rumpus :- diabetes.co.uk/blog/2016/11...

Now, just recently, the medical board in Australia have agreed that the LCHF low sugar and processed foods diet was the preferred way to go for all diabetics, and have unreservedly apologised to the doctor, and told him may 'continue to advise his patients'. :-

healthimpactnews.com/2018/m...

'Oct 4, 2018 ... Despite their best efforts the Australian Health Practitioner ... Low-carb High-fat Diet Absolved of all Charges – Maintains Medical License ... More than that, its made a public apology to Dr Fettke following a review of his case.'

Result, not nearly so many diabetic patients are facing amputations : legs have been saved and Dr Fettke is totally exonerated.

Nutritional educators are favouring a diet lower in refined carbs; judicial use of saturated fats, no polyunsaturated oils; less red meats; protein from poultry, fowl, fish and legumes; plenty of vegetable and a modicum of fresh fruit - fruit being high in fructose. Less of fruit drinks, as more fruit is consumed in drinks means more fructose (sugars), than if a person ate the whole fruit : makes sense. In other words, a good balanced diet.

There has been much in this vein over the past two years - with Fettke being a high case in point. Exonerated.

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HeronNS in reply to Ruadh

Moderation I suppose. I personally can't imagine living a life without vegetables or nuts and legumes, I'd starve to death. But can happily eliminate or severely restrict grain. Maybe the question is whether we should be looking at low carb or no carb, and if low carb the quality of the food containing the carb? There are carbs in nuts, which must have been one of the foods our distant ancestors evolved to eat, as opposed to grass seed!

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Ruadh in reply to HeronNS

It is the highly processed grains, and that includes all those breakfast cereals. Whole grain breads are not what they used to be - many grains being GMO and then sprayed with pesticides , sprayed to 'dry' off before harvest so that the crop will dry more quickly etc etc. IF one could get back to what grains 'were' in the past...fat hope that !

Good grains and seeds. No-Carb would be counter indicated, many foods come under carbs, not just the highly processed grains. Barley; oats; cornmeal - good grains, so long as non-GMO and no toxic sprays in any shape way or form ! Many carbs, including nuts; the dhall family of foods : split peas, pulses - legumes, which are also a second class protein. Finding out what is what, and laying out a good protocol for your own self - the 'pushers of c..p' are always to be found, follow the money !

Back to a well balanced diet, leaving out the whole very poor un-nutritional bag of deleterious industrial food. Don't 'let em eat cake' and forget about most of the bread :)

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HeronNS in reply to Ruadh

One of the first things I gave up with PMR diagnosis was bread and other grain products. I had thought I was eating a healthy diet, and was quite shocked how much wheat I'd been consuming. Pretty sure it's made a difference, although I could certainly use a bit more flesh on my bones.

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Ruadh in reply to HeronNS

It is all too easy to grab a slice of bread and load it up with a selection of goodies...that from jams and marmalade (not please Nutella !!) to cheese, ham, bacon, salads and a cart of yummy toppings. I go there as well once in a while. Same with charcuterie, though rarely; two, three times in a year ?

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HeronNS in reply to Ruadh

I was quite sensible, really. Organic versions of breakfast cereal. Whole wheat bread only. Homemade pasta sauces, although I drew the line at whole wheat pasta (cardboard), healthy versions of pizza. But it was every meal. And my bedtime snack of another bowl of cereal. All those eliminated from diet now.

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Noosat

I am 91 years old, and was very healthy until the PMR diagnosed last December. My diet for so many years, can't remember how long, has been no oil, except olive oil, lots of fresh (I eat organic) vegetables and fruit, Oh, those wonderful heirloom tomatoes!, nuts, legumes, no milk (replace it with almond "milk"). Very little meat. Meat is usually something my daughter cooks, which is free range or young pig that a rancher friend gives her. Wild pigs do a great deal of damage to the land here, so people are glad to get rid of them. I have never bee a big sweets eater. I am satisfied with some blueberries and plain yogurt or a piece of over 75% dark chocolate. I think watching your diet is one of the most important thing you can do for good health. The only processed food I probably eat., is 2 pieces of bakery toast or a bread muffin with a spreading of vegemite or ginger jam with my morning coffee. I truly believe "we are what we eat" Remember although we have developed bigger brains and become taller, our gut is just about the same as our earliest ancestors.

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Grants148

Thanks to you all for the good advice x

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