How Yoghurt MAY Help

[Narwhal10]

The gut microbiome is poorly understood by the medical profession. However, dieticians, functional nutritionist/practitioners do. I know Technoid takes a keen interest in this as do I. wedgewood posted a thread on Examining the Pathology of the Parietal Cells after reading some of Rexz’s work. I took the thread on a tangent by writing of Genghis Khan to Ghound.

Professor Mauro Fisberg, a paediatrician at São Paulo, Brazil has presented twice on the subject of the History of Yoghurt. Like keffir and sauerkraut, they contain live bacteria. Likewise, Symprove can also be beneficial. Again, wedgewood recommends this. (Thank you.) These microorganisms can enhance the gut microbiome. The gut microbiome is dynamic. It is influenced by the food we eat, the environment we live in and illness. When people have a balanced gut microbiome, they can have more clarity of mind, physical strength and stamina.

In the 13th Century, Genghis Khan knew this, so he fed his armies yogurt. He claimed it made his armies strong. However, in 100 BCE, the first written record of yogurt was found. Pliny the Elder recorded, Thicken the milk into a substance with an agreeable acidity.

My Dad (step-dad) was a History teacher. My family have absolutely no idea that hospitals and medical personnel are protected under international humanitarian law. My current thoughts and love are with Dr Ghassan Abu Sittah, his staff and all the people they have and will care for.

Please note that those with Small Intestinal Bacteria/Archea/Fungal Overgrowth should avoid live bacteria. We can also suffer B12 deficiency as a consequence and other deficiencies.

The Pernicious Anaemia Society is an international organisation and is based in Bridgend, United Kingdom. Since 21 December 1977, Bridgend or Ogwr has an official blazon of :-

Onwards With Confidence.

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[Rexz]

Hi Narwhal10, so true on the gut microbiome. Your microbiome follows your diet very directly. The more diverse variety of foods you consume directly influenced the diversity and health of the this microbiome. Taking probiotics are fine but no one ever talks about feeding and caring for those little buggers. There's something to be said about a well balanced diet. Consuming anything fermented is also very helpful to feed these microbes. Things like kimchi, sauerkraut, and I've just ordered Japanese Plum Balls to try. These are fermented little Japanese plums. I've not tried them yet but soon as I get them I'll report...maybe Yum 😋 or maybe Yuk 🤮

Regarding PAS being an international organization ... They certainly purport to be such. But their action and focus on UK loudly state otherwise. OK I know that is blasphemous to say such a thing for an organization that has helped so many people. But don't get me wrong as I think PAS is a wonderful organization it's just that "international" I question. One clear examples is maybe a year or so ago PAS sent out a survey to members to get input from members on what direction research in PA should take. When I logged in and attempted to take the survey I was told no thank you the survey was for UK members only. Another example is PAS focus on UK NHS and its guidelines. Again there is absolutely nothing wrong with that and the work they do is commendable for sure. I just have a personal beef with the word "International"

Hmmmm why am I feeling like I'm going to be drawn and quartered over this opinion.... 😁❤️

Best wishes, Rexz

[Narwhal10 in reply to Rexz]

Thank you and duly noted.

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[yorkshiregirl4 in reply to Rexz]

Hello Rexz, Whilst I had not realised the limitations you have identified in your post here I also know that when I have spoken with friends and family who live in the USA they really cannot understand the severe limitations some patients have with the NHS in the UK. When my GP demands that I now need to discuss my health problem with an admin. person in the first instance. That person then writes down their interpretation of what they have been told and passes that information to the multi-disciplinary Duty team, whilst asking me to stand by the phone for four hours. On three occasions this year I have done that exactly. On the first occasion I never got a phone call back, on the second occasion I waited 36 hours for a phone call back. My GP considers any advice or assistance I request is beyond his level of responsibility. Your recently posted advice to me was fantastic but my GP stated that there was no point in my printing it out because GP too busy to even read it let alone action it. GP even refused to give me an appointment. All medical assessments and treatments have had to be personally funded by me.

[Rexz in reply to yorkshiregirl4]

Hi yorkshiregirl4, yeah the health care industry in general is a mess. I've become somewhat familiar with the NHS through stories on this forum and it's a horror. But is similar to some of the health care here, although much less severe. Personally I have a very nice Platinum private health insurance. But even with that I pay mostly out of my own pocket because I choose to go to doctors that don't accept any insurance. They are expensive and I'm not wealthy by any means. But when you need an hour or an hour of their time then you have to go private. The other big difference between here in USA and UK NHS is your access to your medical records. Here, by law your medical records belong to you and they have to provide them upon request. I have binders full of every medical visit, every test, every procedure, I can look at my MRI brain and spinal scans. That alone is so very important when you're trying to collaborate with a doctor. My first year while I was trying to get diagnoses I went through 14 doctors. That may be what we have here...is it may be easier to just go to another??? not sure.

But when I hear the stories you present here of NHS I just know that YOU are not your doctors focus, or patient, or client or customer. Your doctor/GP focus is on his/her customer and that is the NHS and the UK Government not you.

It is similar here just not so drastic in that the doctor relationship or the doctors customer is the insurance industry not the patient. That relationship changes dramatically when you go private and self-pay.

But yes, I absolutely get what you are saying.

Best wishes, Rexz

[yorkshiregirl4 in reply to Rexz]

Many thanks for your kind understanding. It does feel a little better to share my frustration every so often! Unfortunately the Uk system means patients have to be registered with a specific GP, primary care, and the only way to see a specialist Consultant is to be referred by the GP and pay for the consultation, if the GP is unwilling to fund it. I live in a village with only one GP practice and other practices do not cover this geographic area, even though I have never known them undertake home visits anyway! Best wishes.

[Narwhal10 in reply to Rexz]

‘Here, by law your medical records belong to you and they have to provide them upon request.’

Interesting.

[Narwhal10 in reply to Rexz]

Oh I forgot to add, aged 11, whilst studying Guy Fawkes, a very good friend had written in their essay:-

‘Guy Fawkes was hung, drawn and quartered. Then eventually died.’

It took me a good 10 minutes to compose myself from my side splitting and tears rolling down my cheeks laughter to explain. There is no need to use eventually. He’d be in pretty bad shape in quarters. 👍🏻

[Parlay]

I find all of this extremely interesting. As is said by many naturopaths/ practitioners the second brain is in the gut. Our immune system is in our gut. Probiotics are so easy to take sauerkraut and kombucha are a bit of a squired taste I find. Thank you for this.

[Narwhal10 in reply to Parlay]

Parlay,

I love your name. Yes, the gut is the second brain. In the 3rd and 4th week of pregnancy the basic gut starts to form from certain types of brain cells. The gut-brain axis consists of :-

1) The Central Nervous System.

2) The NeuroEndocrine System.

3) The NeuroImmune System.

4i) The ParaSympathetic Nervous System of the Autonomic Nervous System.

4ii) The Sympathetic Nervous System of the Autonomic Nervous System.

5) The Hypothalamic-Pituitary-Adrenal Axis.

6) The Enteric Nervous System.

7) The Gut Microbiota.

8) Vagus Nerve.

This is why P.A./B12 deficiency needs to taken very seriously.

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[Katiebell6]

Hi Narwhal10, another suggestion is to make your own kefir. There are milk and 'water' (makes a kombucha type drink) versions. You can purchase the grains from eBay or Etsy for only around £4. They are easy to look after, and will grow in size so you can share them! It's worth looking at the difference in yogurt and kefir yogurt, as they differ....kefir is believed to have more varieties and higher amounts of prebiotic. (I also make own sauerkraut and eat it with everything not everyone's cup of tea! It is a cheap food though especially if grow your own cabbage) x

[PhilAB]

I take organic raw kefir and it does wonders for my stomach and gut.

[Technoid]

Two interesting academic books on the subject:

Gut Microbiota: Interactive Effects on Nutrition and Health

sciencedirect.com/book/9780...

Microbiome, Immunity, Digestive Health and Nutrition: Epidemiology, Pathophysiology, Prevention and Treatment

sciencedirect.com/book/9780...

A local library may be able to order in.

The research on fermented foods seemed interesting and I tried some sauerkraut for a while but was not really a fan. Kombucha seems too sugary to me. I figure I get enough probiotics anyway that prebiotics are not really necessary since I don't have any gut or digestion issues so the gut beasts are fairly content. I never liked yoghurt even when I ate dairy which is some decades ago but I have heard good things about yoghurt in general from a nutrition perspective (the no-added sugar varieties at least).

[Narwhal10 in reply to Technoid]

Thanks Technoid,

The second book looks like it would definitely like to live with me. I have tried to locate how to purchase it. No luck as yet.

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[Technoid in reply to Narwhal10]

shop.elsevier.com/books/mic...

[MrsTuft]

Probiotics as food and supplements can actually be helpful to crowd out a fungal infection.

It’s finding a kefir that isn’t pasteurised to know it really has live bacteria in it that’s hard locally. If anyone can recommend a readily accessible one that would be great.