Dr Sarah Myhill B12 injections

[Hollybushroad]

Hi allI know alot people on the forum get their B12 injections from Germany but I'm just wondering if anyone has bought from Dr Myhills website?

[Jillymo]

I cant say that I have heard of that site being mentioned on hear before !

What sort of prices is she charging ? Many of us souce our B12 from Germany because we can buy relatively cheaply and in bulk.

A link to the site would be helpful.

[Technoid in reply to Jillymo]

Looks like it's: salesatdrmyhill.co.uk/b12--...

(out of stock)

[Hollybushroad in reply to Technoid]

Yes the package with both the hydroxy and needles are out of stock but the hydroxy can be purchased as a single item as far as I can see

[Technoid in reply to Hollybushroad]

yes, i see it now : salesatdrmyhill.co.uk/b12--...

[Technoid in reply to Technoid]

And just wanted to mention that my link is not an endorsement of the product or of Sarah Myhill.

FYI there is some concerning information here : bmj.com/content/380/bmj.p278

[DevH in reply to Technoid]

She’s won all her cases, sadly this is not highlighted in the media. Enough said.

[Wheat in reply to Jillymo]

Hello, May 23, I initially started buying multi vials b12 from sarah myhill site but bought 1 mi insulin syringe includes needle from medisave (as her site sells .50 ml).

The hydroxy comes from Mexico, she uses it for her own patients and it seemed ok to me. Negatives has to be used in 30 days, seemed to blunt new needle from say day 24. Did not bother me.

It is more expensive but easier in some ways than ampoule, snapper, two needles etc.. although some use insulin syringes and ampoules ok. Post from Dr Sarah Myhill, well wrapped, promp receipt.

[Hollybushroad in reply to Wheat]

HiThanks for info. If you say bottle only lasts 30 days from opening then by my reckoning you could get 60 doses at 0.5ml per inj. Is that right? Sorry but I'm new to all this self injecting .

I'm planning on starting loading doses for a couple of weeks and see how I feel after that but I'm sure there would be wastage as wouldn't use full 30ml bottle in a month ? (Or am I missing something 🤔

[Wheat in reply to Hollybushroad]

Yes it would be a waste if you are only going to inject .50 ml per day. Loading doses are usually 1 ml . you would need to inject this daily to use up vial.

You said: 'I'm planning on starting loading doses for a couple of weeks and see how I feel after that'. This is most unwise I believe! Many Reverse Out having symptoms again as the brain tries to heal damage done; or just feel worse. Some stop as they feel worse feel better temporarily until B12 deficiency symptoms return.

B12 deficiency/P.A. must be treated properly and promptly.

[Hollybushroad in reply to Wheat]

Thanks for your reply.I must have misunderstood Dr Myhill directions re dosage as she only sells the 0.5ml insulin syringes. Not sure why that is??

So right ok. .....you say loading doses are 1ml.

What would be your advise be re dosing and maintenance dosing?

I have neurological symptoms...pins and needles in my feet and fingers. Also terrible memory and brain fog and all the usual fatigue etc.

Any advice would be much appreciated

[jade_s in reply to Hollybushroad]

So interesting she sells insulin syringes.

Standard neuro protocol is 1 mg every other day (EOD), "until symptoms stop improving" which for many of us can be months... for some, years... the lucky few with mild symptoms are better in a few weeks but not many of those people end up here.

I bought 20 ampoules when i first started, not realizing i need to go EOD for much longer.

I say 1mg because there are different concentrations, both hers & german ones are 1 mg b12 in 1 ml liquid, so you need to inject the full 1 mL.

[jade_s in reply to jade_s]

The german b12 ships quickly, you should have it by the end of the week if you order now. You can always start with hers to try it out.

[Hollybushroad in reply to jade_s]

Thanks jade. Yes sounds like I'm gonna need to buy alot I like the idea of using insulin sub cut. Syringes. Saves allt of hassle.

I went on that German website but there were a few different b12 inj amps and didn't know which product was right and got abit confused 🤔 didn't want to have to repost new question asking which one😃

[jade_s in reply to Hollybushroad]

😂😂 i understand it's very confusing at first! You can always ask

I would search for pzn ref # 16199653 - just put that number in the pharmacy's search bar - and it will take you to "panpharma depot b12" which is the hydroxy form. You can always experiment later with the others.

Apohealth.de gives free shipping but limits you to 9 boxes, which is plenty to start with. Versandapo.de is currently cheaper and shipping is about the cost of 1 box of b12, but you can buy up to 20 boxes. That's 200 ampoules and will last you a long time, so maybe overkill at this point.

I like to order smaller amounts when it's hot out, and stock up in the winter. Ampoules must be shielded from light and kept under 25 C.

[jade_s in reply to jade_s]

Ask again if you need help with needles/syringes

[Hollybushroad in reply to jade_s]

Thanks jade Ive just ordered the panpharma instead of DrMyhills b12.Do u think 1ml insulin syringes would work ok with the single amps?

[jade_s in reply to Hollybushroad]

Yes they will work but the difficulty with 1 mL insulin syringes is that it's difficult to draw up the full contents of a 1mL ampoule. Not impossible, just more fiddly. And difficult to handle as the plunger extends all the way out.

That's why many of us prefer to separately get a 2mL syringe and needles. You can still get insulin needles! Those are anything between 27G and 31G (larger numbers are thinner needles) and anywhere from 8mm to 13mm (1/2 inch). So eg 31G 8mm would be the shortest and thinnest.

[Nackapan in reply to jade_s]

31G is maybe too thin for that amount of fluid .30 g is the finest i think for 1ml of fluid.

Insulin used have less liquid so can take s fine needle

[Nackapan in reply to jade_s]

Just to add

Also very difficult not to touch the glass when drawing up the b12.

Only reason to change needles is if glass touched its painful as blunts thd needle to inject.

You will find thd best way for you.

If you touch the inside of the ampoule just change the needle before injecting

[jade_s in reply to Hollybushroad]

Hmm i'm not finding 8mm ones at either site. You can try these

2ml syringe medisave.co.uk/collections/...

30G 1/2" (very thin but maybe longer than you want, but i use 1/2" for SC) medisave.co.uk/collections/...

Some people get longer/thicker needles for drawing up, i just use the same one. 27G, 1/2" medisave.co.uk/collections/...

You can always make a new post for the needles if you don't want these i'm not in the UK so don't know all the possibilities

[Hollybushroad in reply to jade_s]

Thanks for all your help jade.I'm all done and ready to go.

Ordered the stuff through medisave.

Glad I have finally bit the bullet😊

[jade_s in reply to Hollybushroad]

You're very welcome 😊 Well done 👏👏😁

Re sig: In Belgium, DHL passes it on to the local post, and i have it set up that they can leave it under the bushes. Not sure how it works for UK shipping sorry!

[Naturegirl8 in reply to jade_s]

Post Brexit they don't deliver to UK

[jade_s in reply to Naturegirl8]

There are still a few that deliver post Brexit, such as Versandapo, Apohealth, and a few others. Have you had difficulty getting a hold of B12?

[Hollybushroad in reply to jade_s]

Do you know if delivery of B12 amps needs a signature from courier?

[Orchard33 in reply to Hollybushroad]

No signature required from Apohealth. Courier leaves in porch if I'm out.

[Hollybushroad in reply to jade_s]

Versandapo was the site I was on but there were a few different b12 inj products on it and didn't know which one was right

[Yervaud in reply to Wheat]

Re the 30ml Myhill supply: is that 30 days after opening? How long does it store (out of light of course) do you know?

[Wheat in reply to Yervaud]

Hello, it lasts 30 days. 🙂

[jade_s in reply to Yervaud]

I think that's standard for multi use vials, once punctured, you're supposed to discard them after 30 days. I believe it has to do with sterility.

[Yervaud in reply to jade_s]

thanks

[Ontariolass]

The hydroxocobalamin that Myhill sells, is in a multi use vial with an expiration date into the year 2025. Myhill purchases from the same site American and Canadian members in my group, purchase from, which is Ishi medical in San Diego California. The warning to use within 30 days is placed on all multi use vials to protect the company because it cannot guarantee beyond 30 days after opened if purchaser stores properly. I have used it as a 30ml vial lasts me 30 weeks.

[helvella in reply to Ontariolass]

I thought that the reason, or part of it, was that the preservative, and the sealing materials used, cannot ensure provable microbiological safety beyond 30 days.

(I'm sure that research would not have seen a line at 30 days, but a slow reduction in safety beyond 30 days.)

[Blearyeyed]

If the Dr. Sarah Myhill is the same one I have read about in Welsh news articles, I wouldn't purchase anything from her on a matter of principle let alone whether it was a good and safe product.The Dr. Sarah Myhill in Welsh news stories has been suspended from Practice by the GMC for making false claims and making money from sales of products as COVID Cures.

She has had numerous cases and complaints against her not just for the rather amoral practice of making money off the misery of others but for other cases whilst in hospital practice in the past.

The reason the Dr. Sarah I have heard about works as a Private Naturopath is because her license to practice medicine has been currently revoked.

If I chose to purchase Vitamin B 12 I would prefer to buy it the way other people do on this forum because there is consistent member based evidence of the quality of the products, but if I chose to buy it from UK , I wouldn't buy it from Dr. Sarah Myhill, if she is the same person , whom has been practicing in such an unethical way in the past.

I would certainly suggest that members double check the stories and whether this is one and the same person so you can make an informed decision before making any purchases from a website with the name of Dr Sarah Myhill.

[G_Jones in reply to Blearyeyed]

If you take some time reading more above Sarah Myhill - you may change your opinion - she (I believe) has a far better way of practicing than much of the mainstream health industry & many of the reports on her are far from correct.The GMC has had to withdraw all cases against her when challenged.

Spend some time reading about her - you might be surprised..

[Blearyeyed in reply to G_Jones]

I have spent some time reading about Sara Myhill since I kept reading her name on forums and saw the articles about her conduct in the news. I've also looked at the inquiry transcripts available in the public domain. She is still not licensed to practice Medicine as far as I know.Whether or not she has some interesting ideas , and I know that their are many advocates of her books, it does not change the fact that she was discouraging people from having vaccinations and conventional treatments during the pandemic.

Whilst practising medicine in a conventional setting she had a responsibility to follow the guidelines and ethics of treatment that a role in the NHS requested, she chose not to do that and was reported on many occasions for this. This is inappropriate and also does not help to further the aims of other Naturopathic Practitioner's to gain more respect for their field in a more mainstream setting.

We can all differ on our opinions on this , of course , but I do think that people need to have chance to read both sides of her story so they can make an informed decision from whom to purchase their products.

[Ontariolass in reply to Blearyeyed]

It is evident that you are new to the scene of B12 Deficiency. Dr. Myhill, along with Dr. Chandy were the only two doctors in the UK who would give PA/B12 def. patients enough B12 to help heal their symptoms. For that, both Dr. Myhill and Dr. Chandy were suspended for prescribing more frequent injections of hydroxocobalamin than once every 3 months. I am presuming you are aware that the NHS has no research to support maintenance dosage of hydroxocobalamin once every 3 months. Maintenance dosage used to be once every 8 weeks and then it was changed to once every 3 months, based on a cost saving study with no medical research to support that once every 3 months is a safe treatment. Dr. Myhill and Dr. Chandy helped many PAS members obtain more frequent injections to help with symptoms. Both were cleared and then reinstated several times. Thank God there were doctors like Dr. Myhill and Dr. Chandy because at the time, there were no online German pharmacies to order B12. Perhaps you might want to put yourself in the place of former PAS members who could not obtain hydroxocobalamin at all. As the former lead moderator on the old PAS forum, I well remember how frustrating it was, knowing that members needed more B12 and knowing there was no place to get it. Consider yourself lucky that you now have the option to order from Germany.

American members and Canadian members in my group use the hydroxocobalamin that Dr. Myhill sells. I have used it and quite prefer it to that of the German online sources, as this hydroxocobalamin does not sting.

Pat Kornic

[Technoid in reply to Blearyeyed]

Blearyeyed , indeed, her medical license was suspended for 9 months from February 2023, details of which are described in this BMJ article: bmj.com/content/380/bmj.p278

I might be critical of this suspension if it was purely based on prescribing B12 injections but clearly that is not the case here as can be seen from the BMJ article.

[Blearyeyed in reply to Technoid]

That is exactly my point.I have a huge amount of respect for the struggle of B12d and PA sufferers before the pioneering work of Dr. Chandy helped create changes within NHS Clinical Practice not just outside the system.

My Mum had B12 Deficiency Anaemia, like me, and my Aunt has PA. I know that the hard work within the last several decades by people, both patients and doctors, has made things easier for me than it was for my Mum and I am so grateful for that.

My B12d was overlooked for about ten years because I have various other chronic conditions which are also less well researched and treatment options are still not consistent in conventional practice. This oversight also made the ability for me to control my other health issues much harder.

I have had to struggle to get diagnoses throughout my Life and have had to do a lot of my own research into how to manage my chronic life. My experience means that I understand that sometimes mainstream medicine is often playing catch up with research and that it is good to be open to new well researched ideas from different areas of the healthcare community.

I originally heard about Sarah Myhill through her ME/ CFS work and have read her materials. I live in the area where she was originally in NHS based Practice and have met other people in patient groups who have met her or have received some treatment from her.

Dr. Chandy and Sarah Myhill both qualified as Doctors and both built awareness of better treatments for B12 and CFS . But in my personal opinion , the similarities stop there , I don't believe they can be compared with each other because their histories are not like for like.

Dr. Chandy beat down obstacles within the system , ran a well respected GP surgery for 44 years and wrote a book on B12 which is respected by mainstream medical professionals as well as the wider health community. Any complaints against him were directed at prescription guideline violations within his groundbreaking work. His comments during COVID were that he regretted that he was not still in practice to help and that people should get vaccinated immediately.

I credit Sarah Myhill for her promotion and assisting in building awareness of B12 deficiency issues. But, as you pointed out , complaints against her have not just been associated with prescription guidelines violations, particularly in the case of her current suspension concerning her public comments about COVID and vaccination. It's these other things that I cannot ignore and guide my decision as a healthcare consumer.

I understand that this is a contentious subject though, but I do think it is important for us all to know both sides of the debate and to allow people to make their own decisions from there.