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Levodopa and CYP3A4, but probably not Grapefruit juice... The next steps

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The next step in my research will be to help set up a "Proof of Concept" trial, hopefully with an international team of experts in pharmacology, pharmacokinetics, drug development and Parkinson's disease.

This means scientifically answering the following question (or something like it).

"Does inhibition of CYP3A4 enzyme improve the bioavailability of orally administered levodopa?"

This is a deliberately simple question, the answer to which will hopefully open the door to more fundamantal research on drug selection, safety, dosing and the kinetics of enzyme induction and inhibition etc.

The direct answer to this question can only be obtained by testing over several hours, the serum concentration of levodopa in healthy subjects given C/L with and without a CYP3A4 inhibitor. It will have to be carried out in a hospital environment and subject to all the usual safety controls and protocols for such a trial. Grapefruit juice will probably not be used, since a synthetic, proven and well-documented CYP3A4 inhibitor will be more acceptable to the medical profession. This also means that the the trial can be blinded.

There are many reasons why we should answer this question.

1) The on/off effect due to the short half-life of levodopa considerably impacts the quality of life of PD patients. Partially inhibiting CYP3A4 may help patients lead a bettter life with less "off times".

2) The on/off effect may have long-term implications for dyskinesia, posssibly causing damage to synapses that must adapt to repeated under/over dosing of dopamine. Smoothing the concentration curve could mitigate this effect.

3) CYP3A4 potency is not the same for everyone. There is a large genetic variation in how patients respond to induction of this enzyme by drugs. Proving that CYP3A4 is involved may explain why some patients respond poorly to levodopa, whereas others are oversensitive.

4) Proving that CYP3A4 inhibits levodopa, could lead the way to effective therapy using herbal-based levodopa in countries where prescription meds are too expensive for most people. Mucuna Pruriens + GJ works better than MP alone. It's even better with Green tea extract + GJ. There are also other herbal CYP3A4 inhibitors that can be used. Drug-Drug Interactions (DDIs) are less likely in these countries, since the prescription medications involved are rarely used by the population concerned.

5) Proving CYP3A4 metabolism can bring some understanding to the impact of diet on PD symptoms, for example by taking into account the likely effects of polyphenols in fruit and vegetables.

6) This trial is not intended to encourage PD patients to drink Grapefruit juice without medical advice. That carries too many risks for DDIs. It is also the overkill enzyme inhibitor since it knocks out several CYPs at the same time for 24 hours or more and not enough is known about dosing GJ. A future possibility might be to select a more moderate, reversible CYP3A4 inhibitor taken in a triple-action pill (levodopa + DDC inhibitor + CYP3A4 inhibitor) to increase the useful life of levodopa to say 4-5 hours, with minimal risk of DDIs.

This "Proof of Concept" is not a big job, but it requires professional input, pharmacological expertise, lab resources and funding that we don't yet have.

We would like to put together an international research team so that the results will have the highest degree of credibility and outreach. To do this will require convincing doctors and consultants that this idea is worth persuing for the benefit of their patients. These are the people who can persuade the specialist researchers and their managers to look at the idea and eventually commit time, resources and money to it.

If, as PD patients and carers, you are convinced that this idea is worth persuing, then contact your PD specialist, give him/her all the information and files (my contact details are there) and use your personal experience to convince him to talk to his wider research network about it.

The team is already starting to form. I am now working with a very experienced pharmacologist, drug designer and PD specialist from a major European PD hospital unit to set up this team. This is a good start, but we need more and we need the best.

Spread the word.

Albert

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MarionP

Nice. You have got my vote. Stay with it.

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Gioc

A great job I will talk about to my new neurologist at the end of August, thanks Albert.

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Despe

Albert,

As I have observed my husband then with GJ+MP+1/2 tablet of Carbidopa (12.5mg) and now without the GJ, due to his upcoming surgery, my husband and I are convinced that GJ benefitted Levodopa's bioavailability and extension of half-life. Therefore, I will email my husband's doctors all the information and files (not that they are not aware of GJ effects--cardiologist's directions were to stop GJ and start blood thinners), but let them know that patients are their best doctors.

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wriga

To all of you who may decide to push this idea forward.

What's important is that your experience as a patient/carer has convinced you that the "levodopa half-life anomaly" which causes so many problems to patients has now been identified and can be fixed. Grapefruit juice was just a tool to bring this to light. It is not intended to be THE solution. We now need to prove this beyond doubt using more traditional tools and get the results published in a decent journal. The articles I wrote do not have the credibility of peer-reviewed published papers and will not be published in their present state, but they provide the scientific background.

It is your conviction as patients or carers that the method improves quality of life of patients that provides the required credibility. You may be questioned about the possible placebo effect. As patients you know better than the Drs how it feels when things go well or go badly. Only you can express this. You also tried other methods, some may have helped, others not. You can tell the difference. As carers, you have been able to see the changes. Even small differences matter, so long as they were long lasting ... changes in a patient's voice are often used as a sign of improvement. Friends and family often tell me on the phone that I sound good. They didn't say that before.

Read and note the comments of other patients who have seen improvement. You are not alone. There is now a common theme. A real improvement in the duration of ON-times is the most common. Patients generally feel better, some, and that includes me, even forget to take their pills because they feel fine. If you have noticed specific improvements, please share them in this thread for others to take note of.

If you get a good contact, get him/her to contact me directly to answer any questions your contact may have. If I've taken it this far, it's because I'm now totally convinced of its value.

If we get this thing going with a good team, I will have done my job. I will continue to play a role and I'll keep you informed, but others will be better placed than me to carry it forward. I'm already looking at other research fields that I hope will help us all.

Thank you for your confidence and your help. We're in this together and that's our strength.

Albert

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royal57

Your links to the various pages are all cut off/incomplete??

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LAJ12345 in reply to royal57

Hi, sorry about that. I cut and pasted them from an old thread so it can’t have worked. I’ve updated them now so hopefully it will work now.

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royal57 in reply to LAJ12345

thanks

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LAJ12345 in reply to royal57

Albert asked me to move my questions to another post so they are here now

healthunlocked.com/parkinso...

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wriga in reply to LAJ12345

Thank you LAJ.

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nychengm in reply to royal57

Hi, how are you doing and hoping all is well!

Just wondering if you've ever tried Grapefruit juice and if so, are you using it still to reduce C/L reduction?

In addition, please kindly indicate the quantity and when to take it please!

May I thank you in advance as a carer & my wife (diagnosed with PD 3 yrs. ago) will be grateful as well!

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eaglet

What is GJ?

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ABDESSLAM1 in reply to eaglet

Grape juice

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wriga in reply to ABDESSLAM1

NO it's not Grape Juice !

Please don't reply with such rubbish when you clearly have not followed the subject.

The answer is in the title and the information is here :

healthunlocked.com/parkinso...

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ABDESSLAM1

Sorry Wriga

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pdkid

Hi Albert, Thank you for sharing your wealth of knowledge, very helpful and really appreciated!

I am wondering if you have heard of CBD Oil as a CYP3A4 inhibitor? In looking for alternatives to grapefruit juice, I came across this article which I thought was interesting, especially since CBD oil has proven to have other benefits for pwp. I wonder if this would also help levodopa absorption...!

"Both THC and CBD are metabolized by CYP3A4. THC is also metabolized by CYP2C9, and CBD by CYP2C19. When cannabis or CBD is taken along with certain prescription drugs, THC and CBD can inhibit or induce the metabolic process. For example, CBD is a potent inhibitor of CYP3A4 and CYP2D6 enzymes, while THC is an inducer of CYP1A2."

mdlinx.com/article/rx-drugs...

ALSO, this article which is a bit more detailed...!

healthline.com/health/cbd-a...

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