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Scientific Evidence of the Benefits of EXERCISE for Pd and Alzheimer's

Scientific Evidence of the Benefits of among other Fast Walking and other Intense Exercise:

The first is CHALLENGE. We all need a challenge, which produces GROWTH FACTOR in the brain, which repairs damaged brain cells.

I have previously assumed that the fast walking caused the Fight or Flight condition in the brain, but I was WRONG!

The second is VIGOROUS EXERCISE which burns up fat and makes us feel good. It also improves our MOOD.

The FASTING reduces energy intake with many benefits

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John, you have only provided a supporting link for "FASTING".

Do you also have supporting links containing scientific evidence for "CHALLENGE" and "VIGOROUS EXERCISE"?

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It is all on the same video. It includes a lot of interesting evidence for all of us.

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Well Jeffreyn I watched it right through and like you saw it as promoting intermittent fasting which I think is a good idea but not for everyone.

I didnt see fast walking mentioned at all, so I dont understand the claim that it is Scientific Evidence.

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Without going through the video a third time, it obviously does not use the term "Fast Walking" but whatever term he does use for the prolonged exercise certainly covers fast walking. Obviously other exercises would also be covered by that as well. As I have only done fast walking t reverse my Pd symptoms I feel justified in relating it to what I have been doing.

Keep trying to put others off the fast walking, I am used to it.

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John

I am all for exercise. I guess gym workouts would fit the category too.

You may note that you are not unique, I will question anyone on unsubstantiated claims

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Hi Hikoi. Everybody knows who I am, where I live and everything I claim to have achieved. You, on the other hand, hide behind a nom-de-plume, and snipe at anybody who dares to be different.

Perhaps you actually work for a drug company and are paid to look after their interests on this website and maybe under another nom-de-plume on other sites. They certainly are in need of protection.

You always call for proof and actual evidence of everything I say. Fair enough, but tell me, how many studies do you know of that are investigating the benefits of Fast Walking? If there have been no studies then what evidence do you want me to find to substantiate the truth of what I have claimed to have done?

I do know that everywhere I have been, all over my country and in most English-speaking countries, over the past few years, I have not come across anybody with walking problems who has not been able to walk properly, after I have very briefly shown them how. Is that no good as evidence? Or does it have to be approved by doctors or scientists first?

I have been thwarted by neurologists in very high places, trying to prevent me from spreading my message to other patients. Would fast walking have been bad for them?

I was successfully removed from the position as Chairman of our National Parkinson's Association for over 5 years at the behest of top neurologists, who had nothing to do with us. But that association could never have survived without the donations received from unknown sources, probably drug companies, who did not want to be identified. Someone must have thought that patients did not need to know that someone has managed to overcome many of his symptoms of Pd.

It is about time that we Pd patients are actively encouraged to take action to overcome some of the symptoms of Pd, as I have.

Are you really this little old lady, who claims to have Pd? Can you give us any evidence of that?

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John, apparently you haven't noticed, Hikio ask almost everybody to prove almost everything said. Don't take it personally.

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That only makes me question who she is and what is her motivation!

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I can't imagine why you question who she is since you and her had this same discussion 3 years ago - when, at that time, she pointed out that you often disparage those who question you.

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I don't disparage people who question me, I don't mind questions. I detest being told that I don't have Pd and that there is no proof that, what I am advising people to do, actually works.

If nobody has succeeded in overcoming many of their Pd symptoms before, then it is a first and there have been no trials or studies done on it, but that does not mean that it is not true and that it does not work.

I get the distinct impression that Hikoi does not want other people to believe that, what I have done, actually works. It obviously will not work for everybody because we are all different.

I question her motivation. I am sure she does not make a profit from what she does, so who is she and what is her motivation?

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John, John, John, what are we going to do with you?

When you question who she is, what her motivation is, and suggest she works for big Pharma, you are implying that her ulterior motive might be to discourage people from fast walking.

If you only knew how silly that sounds.

Here is a perspective I hope relieves you of that concern.

Big Pharma is a 47 billion dollars per year industry. That means they take in $100,000,000, 470 times every 52 weeks. If Hikio convinced every person on this forum to give up nutrition and exercise and rely solely on prescription drugs, big pharma wouldn't notice, just as if every person on this forum were cured by fast walking, big pharma wouldn't know or care. I applaud your efforts to promote fast walking and clearly you have done a lot for a lot of people, and you should be proud of what you've accomplished, but, you, and all of us together, don't amount to a knat on the ass of an elephant.

Every single person on this forum is well-intentioned and of good faith even if some of us do get a little snippy now and then.

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Point well taken.

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Hi John,

I am delighted that you have managed to improve and maintained the improvements.

We all know Parkinson’ s is very variable with different people. It can progress fast or slowly, and symptoms vary day to day and hour to hour.

It is natural, especially when desperate, to try to find something to help.

When symptoms improve we can all convince ourselves that it is due to the last thing we tried.

But a sincere belief, however fervently held is not proof.

Placebo effects, wishful thinking, cause and effect confusion, can all misled us which is why drug trials remain so expensive , costing hundreds of millions..

I could go on, but you can see where I m heading. I take no supplements and wait for evidence based solutions.

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Agreed! But when hundreds of people get similar results, that does not count as evidence in the eyes of scientists, but in my eyes, we should be looking into these good news stories, not knocking them down!

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Fast walking, rigorous resistance exercise, deep tissue massage, and movement awareness have enabled me to overcome 10 classic PD symptoms..

How do I know?

Simple. When I deviate from this protocol for a few days, the PD "shade" (after Dante) starts coming back.

When I return to the protocol, the PD "shade" lets go of my body.

I have had a definitive DATScan.

I have never taken any PD prescription drugs.

Hope this helps.

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Long may it last SELFMeder.

I would like to meet someone with a positive DAT scan who is medication and symptom free after 10 years, that person would be worth studying.

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Even a DATScan is not foolproof. There is nothing that can positively confirm a diagnosis of Pd.

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What other exercise are you doing, and how frequently and for what duration?

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I don't need to do any other exercises. I still walk the 7 kilometres every second day, unless I have other health problems such as respiratory tract infections.

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I thought I’d read in another post of yours (albeit from 4 years ago) that you were also doing squats. I must be mistaken.

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Five years after my first symptom arrived I started going to the gym for an hour a day, six days of the week and did half an hour of aerobic exercises and half an hour of other exercises, including squats. I continued to do that until I was diagnosed in 1992. Then I increased the time to 90 minutes a day for the next 2 years. Because my symptoms got worse much quicker during those two years, I stopped the gym altogether. Then I started doing the fast walking. Within four months my condition started to get better.

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Yes DaT scans are not foolproof. Like everything in Medicine there is always the knowledge that nothing is 100% reliable /accurate. It is just the best we have at the moment and is great assistance where there is uncertainty.

Post mortem tests are considered the most accurate.

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Yes! I have organised that already.

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Thats a good move. I wonder if a general pathologist can identify types of brain abnormalities or it has to be a specialist, like a neuro researcher.

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I'll follow that up.

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I exercise 6-7 days a week mostly cardio and mix in some light weights. I've worked out most of my adult life and now I consider it part of my daily medication. My neurologist agrees that exercise is very important and might help slow the progression. So, why not exercise regardless of what anyone says ? We all know it's good for us and if it helps PD it's a bonus !

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I question the advisability of doing meaningful exercise every day after diagnosis. I was doing aerobic exercise for 60 minutes a day plus weight for a further 30 minutes a day, six days a week. I had been doing only 60 minutes a day for 24 years before that.

After two years of that regimen I watched my symptoms get worse much quicker than they had previously. I then gave up the gym and started doing fast walking every second day, starting at 20 minutes and building up slowly over the next six months to one hour. Then my symptoms started to get better and in 2002 I was able to come off the Pd medication and have lived a normal life since then.

Read my profile and visit my website - reverseparkinsons.net and contact me.

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John, we exchanged a few messages on HU a week or so ago. You suggested I write you via your website, which I’ve done. Understandably I haven’t heard back yet but I would like to ask for some additional info if not too much trouble.

Many thanks

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Hi Ruben. I did respond and sent you a large amount of information. I have responded again to you. Let me know if you don't receive it all.

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Thanks John. That is a lot of information! It will take me several days to read it.

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Happy reading! It is time for action! don't waste too much time reading, you need to take action!

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Hi John -

I am interested in your "reversing Parkinsons" assertions. I walk a lot and have seen other people state that exercise is a big deal in the Parkinsons journey. This morning I read some info from Laurie Mischley about Parkinsons; she too indicated that activity is key.

The reason for this post is that I'd like to know what happened with tremors when you reversed Parkinsons?

Thanks. I don't read this email account very often, but I'll look for a reply from you. Again, thanks for your help.

Doug

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Hi Doug. I don't just walk, although it does help. I walk as fast as can for as long as I am able. To begin with it was for 20 minutes but slowly I got it up to one hour, which has been tested to be the optimal time, and that is only every second day.

When we walk as fast as we can, our brains produce a a natural chemical called GDNF. That repairs our damaged brain cells, and we get better, but Pd continues to damage more cells, so we have to continue to do the walking in order to stay well.

Go to my website, reverseparkinsons.net and contact me for a lot more information.

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