Talking bout shielding on briefing now. To clarify, England only ...
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Shielding
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Shielding is being wound down in England only, finishes at the beginning of August. The other 3 Nations will have their own versions.
Rules for shielding in england to relax from july 6th
Those shielding able to return to workplace from august 1st
Shielding people can meet distancing in group 6 outside
Single shielders can now form a bubble
10 supermarkets will continue to give priority access
Employers should support shielders in a covid secure environment
They will write to us with our individual risk rate
There might be a seasonal aspect to the virus
SSP will stop for shielding after 1 august.
Shielding " paused " after 1 august but could be brought in if changes
Mixed feelings about this.
Genuinely think it is way too much, way too soon.
It doesn’t feel to me that this is driven by health.
I do realise many will feel differently x
It's on " pause" they can bring it back .
They say thats why they are giving us notice till august to get used to the idea ....... I think a lot of people will think will less people have it but I only need 1 person ....
Get used to the idea of what?
Exposing ourselves to risk?
Don’t get me wrong, I think for some this will be fantastic, it will be what they’ve waited on - and I totally understand.
However, the R is still between 0.7-0.9 and in my view, they have not had time enough to evaluate the impact of opening up each restriction, before moving right on to the next.
It does make me nervous.
Also, we are encouraged to go back to work and that workplaces will support this . Well some may, and some may not?
The furlough is extended until October and then businesses/ employers have to take more responsibility for paying their employees - difficult for some.
For those that are struggling with the thought of going back to work, doesn’t this place them at risk of financial difficulties/ loss of their job?
Possibly not - I haven’t yet processed everything. These are just my initial thoughts when listening to them.
But nonetheless, the speed of it all, makes me nervous. X
I'm in Scotland so the changes do not apply to me personally, but it does seem a rapid de escalation of the protection being offered to shielders very quickly.
I had imagined groupings to be established, possibly a higher risk group, with protection and a less at risk group with an opening up for them ?
I await the Scottish information soon.
Technically.. you are being reviewed on july 30th in scotland , england shielding ends 1 august as does northern island . Wales are staying shielded till middle of august
I feel really anxious about this, yes on the one hand it is good that things are improving, and yes I am lucky that I can work from home, but this just feels like too much too soon, it worries me that if this gets worse again, we're out there and not safe at home. Stay safe everyone. X
Great summary lovely lady. Thanks so much for doing this. x
What is SSP?... being thick I am probably 😁
Statutory sick pay
🙄 right... d’oh @ me 😁
Why aren’t all these bods talking to each other and agreeing this all with the Health professionals. Surely articles like this wouldn’t be happening if they were.
The analogy Sheila posted about its like your hairdresser saying you can leave hospital... feeling this is too true a statement.
I haven’t heard from my own docs yet but today’s articles really say ... no way should we stop shielding in the original sense of the definition? I so want out... but want to to be safe.
theguardian.com/society/202...
Coronavirus: UK must prepare for second virus wave - health leaders bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53159918
I have very mixed feelings too. I usually work in a hospital setting and following social distancing measures are so challenging for me as I am visually and hearing impaired too. I too am reliant in getting to and from work by public transport. My job role is very much patient facing also. On one hand I am keen to go back into work but not sure how it will work in practice. 🤔 Conversations I need to have with my manager and HR. At least they have given us a little notice this time. 😂 I am very fortunate that I happen to have an appointment with my rheumatologist on the 27th July so can get some individual advice from her also. Watch this space as they say. x
That's good. Yes employers have to sort out covid secure ( daft title!)
Totally understand and for you and I, who work in NHS and Local
authority settings, we are lucky in that we will be supported and have career security . We will be afforded the support and importantly, time.
Others I fear, will not be so lucky? X
Oh children in primary care not at high risk , only those who are hospital based with primary care are higher. But doctors will discuss everyones own risk.
So " all out " but with some restrictions still of social distancing. Only meet up to 6 folks outdoors distanced etc , I'll be wearing a mask and I think continuing with deliveries for a while till they are what opening up pubs and shops does to the r number personally.
I’ve been watching it.? This bubble we will be allowed to create with one other household... we can go into their house, but I’m more interested to know if they would be allowed into mine. I badly need help with various things around the house.
Wha is your interpretation?
Jo
The bubble system is you can travel to each others homes and stay the night if there is a distance to travel, itv news.com
In Scotland there are now certain people who can form an extended household. My understanding is that they can come to ours and vice versa, but they cannot form any other extended household?
In Scotland, no one can form one with anyone who is shielding.
Speaking as one in Scotland, I hope
We don’t follow suit.
I hope Nicola continues to take a cautious approach.
Glad I'm not PM or first ministers!!!!
Hope so. I think it might be seasonal , we need it along side a flu vaccine ...let's see if I'm right or wrong .....
What’s going on in the meat factories ... also being reported in Germany... tells us a lot about it getting worse in the winter 😔
It's apparently my doc friend tells me not the food but they work in very cold conditions and didnt distance properly. I wondered that too ...
Absolutely ... the cold conditions is what I’ve heard 😥
I don't know what Wales will do, but more often than not they follow suit a week or so later, but with some tinkering around the edges. Fortunately I'm retired and have family to do the shopping etc so am not affected by what's been announced I'm glad to say. I can continue to look after my own interests and well being as I see fit and not what somebody else thinks I should do, which is pretty much what I've done throughout the pandemic. Selfish perhaps, but someone's got to look after number one because unfortunately I can't rely on this government to have my best interests at heart, not by a long chalk, and today's announcement regarding shielding only confirms that...in my humble opinion of course.
Goes without saying that I won't be creating any bubble, or popping into Dai Evans house across the road for a cuppa, or him popping into mine! That just ain't going to happen I'm afraid Bo and Matt, but thanks awfully for the offer, and I mean awfully most sincerely. 
Hi Wish, I say they can stuffety-stuff-the-get-stuffed as far as I’m concerned re ease up as people think it’s all ok if you give them too much to what they can do freely at the mo as the majority won’t comply with the things asked. Sorry if that sounds most ungrateful and unladylike, but I’m not going to be taking much notice of people who have been leant on by the treasury and pub and booze industry. Yes I feel badly for those in that industry I really do just as I do for my dear friend and hairdresser who is making such excellent changes and health and safety to be in place it will be like going to a doctors’ surgery with masks and strict hygiene procedures. I’m holding on there too. Review how it is in a few months. It is too soon to be allowing all these things especially for the vulnerable. We have to be prepared to sit things out much longer. I fear a second wave as a result of complacency. Hopefully not I pray. As some of the scientists were reported to have said today .. it’s much too soon. Corona hasn’t gone away and we still have too many deaths. R rate not low enough. For me, I’m inside mostly still. Odd car ride to the local country but not mingling or seeing anyone but my husband and sitting in the garden. I don’t work externally and only do some art commissions and voluntary work but not since December, so I don’t have to go out but my husband could be made to go back to an office if I don’t get a shielding letter which I still working on. I’m speaking to my respiratory consultant tomorrow morning and will ask him to confirm to rheumatology I should be categorised as extremely vulnerable and add bronchitis/chest to my issues etc. (My letter that never materialised .. my shielding category was bungled by the hospital admins.)
I know Boris was trying to say after his initial speech on ease up to still have extreme caution but people didn’t seem to be listening once the magic words booze and pubs were uttered! I did hear one reporter ask if this was approved by SAGE but Boris’ reply seemed fuzzy. We’ve seen all those people cramming onto beaches and in parks so can you imagine what is going to happen now? As though nothing is happening as far as most of those flouters are concerned. Back to how it was. Thank goodness there have been many good people staying home and trying their best to stop the spread.
I won’t be going in any pubs and won’t be allowing any people in my house any won’t be doing the same visiting. I’ve just had to say no to someone’s memorial service and it’s hard but I know that some of them will forget and will be too close. It’s not worth the risk and I’m not a hard person at all ... just practical and worried. Just because the prime minster and Hancock 😫 (who was touching/put his arm on the back/shoulder of his colleague on camera the other day and said .. sorry I forgot??!!) say it’s ok to go in a pub ... it’s not safe at the moment and it’s a risk people have to want to take to meet at pubs and have alcohol. I don’t.
I realise some people are more risk takers and they are likely more healthy and not vulnerable, so they are going to want to go places and good luck to them but I hope they don’t send the virus numbers the wrong way.
So I’m with Wish on this! No cuppa with Dai .. or my nice neighbour .. we call across the back gardens to each other or stand at opposite ends of the shared lane and speak loudly! Self preservation. The only way as the scientists/medics aren’t running the country .. well not the good ones who are saying have more caution ... and Boris is so very leant on and pressured. I know all about the economy before anyone lectures me 😁 .. I’m a business & finance studies graduate.
Haha, I'm glad someone is with me, not having a cuppa with Dai that is...I was beginning to think I was being anti-social. 
Agreed
So agree
What's concerns me now is how little coverage there's been on the media about shielded people being told, or 'encouraged' as I heard some government man put it, to go back to work and having statuory sick pay stopped. Oh, and I forgot to mention no more weekly free food parcels either!...that's encouragement for you! There was no mention of it on yesterday's BBC or Sky news reports that I saw. The headlines on one BBC news report was about cinemas and museums being opened! 
Maybe I've missed something, but it certainly hasn't been widely reported. Perhaps the media are waiting until nearer Aug 1st but I can't see the point of that, then again what do I know.
... did I miss something from yesterday's briefing? So shielders are gradually being eased out but only, as far as I can tell, to be on the same level as people not at increased are now? Shielders can go back to work (subject to being safe), do their own shopping and mix with up to 6 people in a garden or form a social bubble with 1 other household. Still, cannot meet up indoors, so visiting wider family is off.
If the distance is reduced from 2M today to either 1M or zero, what do shielders do, continue to social distance 2M?
If pubs and restaurants are allowed to reopen, will shielders be allowed to use them?
Groups of 6 from 6 july, work from august 1st
yes, I deliberately left dates out, but do shielders still keep 2M apart when non-shielders are doing 1M apart?
Got my letter from Matt this morning!
Funnier one now, two householder can stay in each others gmhouses but distanced and no hugging 😂😂
I wouldn’t want to be that close if I wasn’t forced to go to work etc. Boris said in his speech yesterday lunchtime that keep two metres if you can but if not, one metre and all the usual be careful and alert etc. However that was for the general population. I’d not want anyone breathing anywhere near me in public indoor places or outdoors, so I’m still doing just the same as I was but if people have to go go work then different matter entirely. Hopefully the work environment will be as safe as possible for shielders (and anyone) returning. I’ve no desire to go in restaurants etc at this very early stage of anyone coming out of lockdown. I think there’s a lot to sort out our there first re proving safety.
This feels a bit like my hairdresser telling me I am well enough to leave hospital. I'm staying put. The R rate is still far too high. x
That made me giggle Sheila, love it!
😊x
They are reducing social distancing to 1 metre, opening pubs, restauraunts, shops and whatever other measures they decide to change, plus no track and trace system in place. Then tell shielders that in a few more weeks it will be a-okay to go into someone elses house for a chit-chat or they can come into ours, we can create some form of social bubble with 6 or is it 26 people, and tell shielders if they don't go back to work they will have their statuory sick pay stopped.
I appreciate the need to get the economy going, but come on, as far as vunerable people are concerned they should be given the option of returning to work, or at least wait and see if there will be a second outbreak in the autumn/winter. Plus it will be that much closer to a possible vaccine. So much for having the old and vunerable's interests foremost in their thoughts! This government certainly takes the biscuit as far as I'm concerned....it's no wonder I feel angry.
Me too 🤬
Glad to hear it, I thought it was just a man thing!
But they are still keeping the 2m social distancing and 1m plus if its not possible to keep to the 1m distancing- I.e in small shops, pubs etc but then only with mitigations I.e. masks...
Yes, but as you say it is not going to be possible maintaining 1 let alone 2 metres in many enclosed spaces like shops, pubs etc where the virus can spread much easier than outdoors, where it is easy keeping 2 metres distance but less necessary. As for this 1 metre plus thing, each to their own, but that is just government PR or spin in my books. Much of the public find it difficult enough judging 1 or 2 metres what I can see of it, so how does the government expect them to judge 1 and a bit!...what will they come up with next I wonder, telling us to cut ourselves a meausuring stick to take out! Besides, for myself and no doubt many other people, 1 metre, give or take, is my normal personal space in a virus free envioronment.
If someone is shielding and feel safe with the government's new guidelines and would like to return to work then all well and good, that is up to them. I'm fortunate that I'm retired and have family to help me and my wife during self isolation, but if I was still employed with my underlying health conditions then I certainly would not be very happy being told to return to work on Aug 1st irrelevant how safe I was told it was to do so. Sorry, but this pandemic has taught me only trust myself when it comes to my own safety and well being and not what this government or anyone else tells me to what to do, especially with the track record they have.
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