need help, need answers!

[SHARONHELL]

has anybody stopped eating meat with great results, also has anybody out there read Lee Hulls book, Stopping kidney disease, or have tried the supplement he mentions in chapter 4, albutrix? Would love some feedback, I would hate to take a supplement not noing if it would do more harm than good

[Hidden]

Hi, I've cut out all red meat and not having a problem with that. I eat fish, poultry and lots of veggies. I'm not a fan nor a believer of Mr. Hull's book. Every meal plan should be developed for the individual by that individual and a renal dietitian based on the labs for that person. No supplement should be taken without the approval of the physicians on your Care Team. They are not regulated and you can't be sure what ingredients and the exact amount are actually in each serving. Avoid them unless informed by your doctors.

One final thing, you cannot stop CKD. All you can do is slow down the progression. Get on a kidney-friendly meal plan, watch all of your medications, get a steady exercise regimen going and become an advocate for your own health. There are no magic cures, either in this community or out of anyone's book. You have to take the steps to be successful in controlling your CKD and what you choose to do is what will fit into your new lifestyle. The kidney-friendly meal plan is not a diet. It's a lifestyle change. Best of luck.

[Bet117 NKF Ambassador in reply to Hidden]

Elegantly and well put Mr._Kidney.

I am in total accord with your theory and response.

Diet, a great care team and no gimmicks.

You are absolutely correct, it is not a diet, curse or fix, it is a lifestyle.

I was never a red meat fan other than in Italian food.

Haven't touched meat in years and don't miss it a bit.

Thanks for your great contribution and thoughts.

Best...

[Sulyn in reply to Bet117]

My husband and I also have followed the same type of food plan as Mr. Kidney. My husband is a kidney transplant patient and I his donor eight years ago. We also make a point to stay hydrated and walk on the Y track or outside 5-6 days a week.

[Kbressler NKF Peer Mentor NKF Ambassador]

Moderation in all things is the realistic approach to living with kidney disease. This may be over simplifying things but if you there was a true remedy for kidney disease there would be no reason for this site to exist. Do nothing extreme but rather take on a course of moderation in all you do.

[YorkieMom1]

Yes & yes. Highly recommend both. Book not finished yet.

[saifomar]

Well there are types of red meat. Pork, beef, lamb, mutton etc. The most harmful of all red meat is pork and the most beneficial to the human body is lamb. That being said lean beef (in potion) weekly or bi-weekly is also recommended by kidney doctors worldwide except India. When you have kidney problems you have to watch out for the fat and oil on red meat - pork has the worst fat content and oil content of all the red meats. Your staple diet would consists of poultry, fish and veggies ofcourse with occasional beef or lamb consumption to aid protein intake and muscle growth.

[Bassetmommer NKF Ambassador]

hi Sharonhell,

I stopped eating red meat over thirty years ago. But I ate a ton of chicken and turkey. I have limited that now to maybe once or twice a month. Yes, it improved my labs.

Animal protein is just hard on the kidneys. I limit dairy to some extent, but not as much as I should actually.

As far as supplements, always check with the doctor as what may affect me may not affect you.A lot of people have liked the book, but I have not read it. But I do not believe in miracle cures.

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[Buffy-1]

I have the book. Haven't finished reading it yet. I cut out red meat 7 weeks ago. Went with friends 2 weeks ago and had a bbque pulled pork slider. I was litterly sick for 2 days. Will not do that again. Going for lab tests tomorrow, so I am hoping my GFR has risen, and creatine has lowered. If not I will need to keep reading the book. He also has a diet book with recipes coming out very soon.

[SHARONHELL in reply to Buffy-1]

let me know how your labs go with no red meat for 7 weeks! good luck!

[Buffy-1 in reply to SHARONHELL]

Thanks, I will let you know.

[Trill]

I read the book. And I don't eat meat but he actually analyses every flesh product and chicken and fish are as protein-rich as red meat. I still eat a modest amount of that. At least he backs up his argument with scientific references. Let's say I made notes and took bits of the advice offered. Even in the replies above you get different recommendations, eg to eat some beef. Most confusing. I don't like eating animal flesh; I have not eaten red meat for many years (long before I learnt I had CKD) but accept chicken if it is free-range. I would not buy his supplement. Not greatly against it but you have to stop somewhere!

[Dixidude39]

Mr. Kidney is a moderator for this site, and knows his stuff! If DaVita Dialysis Centers operate in your market, ask them about the 2-hour FREE "Kidney Smart" class. You'll go home with an armload of valid information.

[Hidden in reply to Dixidude39]

Thanks for the kind words DD. I do have to make a correction. I WAS once a NKF Ambassador for this site but due to some differences with administration I resigned that position. I still offer the advice, which I hope is benefical to those in the community but I'm no longer an NKF Ambassador.

[RhenDutchess123]

I am Stage 4CKD.....My Nephologist said Vit B-12 was fine to take....I take the liquid...place it under your tounge and let it absorp for about 30 seconds...reaches the blood system sooner...I take it Mid-Afternoon when my Anemia effects me the most....perks me up