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is this counter to the keto benefits for MS?
Hmm, more vegan propaganda🤣 always consider the funding for any study. I will stick with low carb, keto, carnivore as it is how I feel best. Veg are not for everyone, I mean me🤢
jmho, not looking for a diet war debate😉
MedCram is usually pretty evidenced base objective info and in this case he’s touting the benefits of keto raising immunity (B and T cells) and plant based raising interferon. So both good in different ways but raising the B and Ts in MS…hmmm…
"High protein, low carb" was my full stop 🤣 Ty for pointing out funding.
No, it's not 🤣🤣🤣 A ketogenic diet is not "low carb high protein", but using a buzz word like "keto" is guaranteed to generate traffic. Ketosis doesn't give a crap about diet dogma. You either are or you are not, in ketosis. If someone is eating high protein and able to maintain ketosis at a therapeutic level, then I already know they have a lot of muscle mass and work out a ton to enable eating that much fat. I doubt these unicorns were in this "study". These unicorns also don't stay in ketosis 24/7, and neither did anyone in this "study", IMO.
Most studies using "keto" are bunk to me unless they start with participants in ketosis and publish the blood or breath levels over time. A long time. It took 6mo to reduce filament light chain in a recent study. We have another year, I believe, to see reliable published data on ketosis and people with MS. If participants hang in that long, which I doubt. I expect it to be positive regardless, and then I expect the MS world to ignore it.
The studies on fasting or ketosis immune cell changes and hormone changes are old, but free. Lower mean white cells, lower inflammatory markers, higher neuro protective markers, yadda, and no anecdotes.
Yes, my N-of-1 experiment is more important, to me, than all the studies put together🤣
I agree. The limitations of treatments and adjunctive therapies for MS and my specific damage related issues have left me with no other choice. Ketosis, or suffer for the rest of my life. Should a real study come around that proves I'm killing myself? So be it, I'm going to be alive and fully present for each and every gorgeous day I have left 🥰🎉🙏
Please explain how you achieve ketosis? Truly, I’m unaware 🤷♀️
Diet macro ratios and time, various types of fasting, and it can be faked for a short time with a supplement.
It takes more time to generate ketones the more liberal the diet and the worse someone's baseline metabolism is. There's a way to adjust macros to be more liberal with the same ketone results by adding mct coconut oil to the diet.
A healthy person is expected to generate ketones in 24hrs with a dry fast, and by 72hrs with a water fast. I'm not sure how long it takes with a bone broth fast, but it probably depends on if they are just drinking protein alone or adding some fat. The Fasting Mimicking diet, in healthy people, will also generate ketones by day 5. IF will also, depending on macros/fat%.
Exogenous ketones (ester, not salts) could be another way, but this one is tricky and mostly utilized by hard core athletes and Navy Seals. It's a supplement that will provide ketones and cause blood ketones to rise for a few hours.
3:1 and 4:1 are traditionally used in research studies.
I saw a picture of food on plates for the different ratios. 4:1 looked really hard to follow because of the amount of pure fat on the plate. I would like to consider a lower ratio but I don’t think my IBS belly could take it. I truly wish you luck with your diet and hope it really helps. 😊
Yeah 🫣😱 I'm going to pass on drinking olive oil 🤢 I think 80% fat is a good starting point.
I'm tinkering every week to see how my numbers fall if I change this or that. I have been doing great, meaning continued ketones above 3.0, with eating less than 2:1 and without under eating. I have no gut issues unless I include certain vegetables that hurt me. I figured those out by doing an elimination diet (meat and fat), and was encouraged to dig farther by how much better my guts were on the fad version of keto...long time ago.
Thank you! 🥰
The video and the referenced article are not anti-keto. Albeit it is a small 2-week crossover study and the keto diet is based on food type intake rather than measuring ketosis. I just thought interesting that the “keto” diet increased B and T cells.
My long winded point was that a keto diet did not increase B and T cells, because that was not a ketogenic diet. If they were not anti-keto, then either they wanted to be flashy and erroneously use the term keto to get noticed, or are just morons. I doubt these researchers are idiots. Just my opinion. No one did their homework here.
Agree and thanks for posting. I dont put much stock in studies anymore, most are bought and paid for by big food, big pharma and are too short to show any real effect. Again, jmho
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