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Hi I’m so sorry to hear this. I hope you have a mild case and that it completely clears up quickly. I’ve not had it but an acquaintance did. Unfortunately he was exposed for a lengthy time & was sick for 5 weeks and continues to be fatigued. Except for being in his 70’s, he had no other risk factors and was a triathlete so in good shape. Do you have any immune issues other than your MPN? Please let us know how you do. Katie
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hi Katie Walsh sorry I have not been able to reply sooner been really I’ll with this virus I was diagnosed with lupus six months ago which does not help last night was one of the worst nights I have so far but feeling a bit better this morning I want to thank everyone who replied
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What an awful time you’ve been having. I hope you are still doing much better & get over it quickly. Take it easy & pamper yourself. I hope you have someone to help you. Best, katie
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thank u Katie
Very sorry, must be a worrying time and I sincerely wish for you to get over it soon. Hopefully the vaccine will help you have a milder infection, please keep us posted.
Hi Sylkeys,
I know many who have had Covid after the booster. They got over it quickly, also the not really healthy ones. The quickest is when they did my recipe: A good buffered High dose vitamin C (1,5grams) and take every 2.5 hours for 2 days.
zinc 2x15mg daily
ginger tea.
1,5 Liter water. 1,5 inch ginger sliced thinly, 20 cloves, 1 broken up cinnamon stick. Simmer 15”. Can add orange juice or honey. Drink throughout the day. This modulates the immune system and help kill bacterias and viruses, but also other unwanted culprits.
In our hospitals in Vienna, insiders have relayed to me what the media doesn’t tell us. About 1/2 the ICU patients are fully immunized against Covid. Most are carrying at least 50kg too much weight up to severe obesity and the others are either heavily diabetic or have other serious illnesses.
Common denominator: All have very low D levels.
This information gives me peace. My D is 80, no diabetes, I’m just 10kg too much, which I like.
The vaccine did ruin the veins in my legs. The veins are now leaky, causing iron deposits in my ankles and calves and iron deficiency, but not low ferritin. I’m now taking extra iron for the first time in my life. It’s better than a serious Covid outcome I guess.
We are once again on lockdown starting Monday. I’m against that this time. No country in the world tests it’s citizens as much as we do. We register every single case. Of course a huge portion of the infected are not vaccinated (mostly those under 16 who have little or no symptoms). the system is not overburdened.
Many have started getting the 3rd vaccine. I won’t. Too dangerous for me. I’ll just wait. There’s another type of vaccine coming. Should be around in a couple of months. 🙂
Thanks for all the great advice forcovid Anag. Hope I don’t need it but I’ve copied it in case . Interesting about Austria . Everyone handling it so differently.
What’s the new vaccine ?
Warm wishes to you
Carolyn
You’re welcome. The new vaccine is called Novavax in the US. Forgot what it’ll be called in France and Austria. Should be out in Dec in US. Later in Europe. It’s more of a classic vaccine type. Nothing to do with our genes! I’m more interested in that.
All the approved vaxes are safe according to the authorities, but that doesn't mean no one gets a bad experience. My husband just had a really bad week after the Moderna booster. But he nearly died from Covid early 2020 so as you say it is worth it.
The Novavax may have a different set of reactions from AZ (adenovirus type) or mRNA's. It uses an adjuvant (made from tree bark):
<<Adjuvanted vaccines can cause more local reactions (such as redness, swelling, and pain at the injection site) and more systemic reactions (such as fever, chills and body aches) than non-adjuvanted vaccines.>>
cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/conce...
But I would gladly take it if it had been approved at the time I got mine.
Another risk, esp for JJ and AZ types, is the rare case that the shot goes directly into a vein.
nature.com/articles/d41586-...
Thanks so much for the info! I’ll read it this afternoon. Looks like a good website, too!
Unfortunately, the Bad vaccine reactions are many. My husband’s best friend, cardiologist in hospital-brain bleeding, my doctor-severe eczema all over body, me-leaky veins, one month in bed and still suffering 5 months later, my friend‘s brother-in-law, a robust 60 yr old farmer, felt bad at night, died the next day, autopsy was not done! My brother, who‘s strong as an ox, got Bell’s palsy from it. These are people in my closest circle! Not hear-say. I know endless people who got Covid up to 92 yrs of age and are fine now. The ones that died were very sick to begin with.
Most people don’t register reactions. It took me 40 minutes to fill out the form. How many of us are willing to do that? interestingly, the procedure has been made very difficult. Doctors or pharmacies won’t do it for you. What about the 28% non- native speakers in this Country? Im tired of it all.
Nevertheless, have a wonderful day! 🙂 anag
Everything you said is absolutely fascinating ANA G I had a lot of bad reactions just to the 1st one so I've never had more and it takes so long to fill out that form on VA ERS and then they have the nerve to say you left information out then you have to fill it out again it's almost like they make it hard on you because anyone that has side effects and bad reactions it's a big big secret because big pharma needs to make money that's all it's about
I see medication is coming out now in the US which is great but they're gonna keep pushing the vaccines cause that's the money makers where the medication is not
They don't want you to tell them that you have bell's palsy or anything that's all hidden and it's get one shot get 2 shots get 3 shots
Yes. I know many who read into this also. Right now, a major freedom was taken away. I won’t stand for it. That’s where my Greekness draws the line. I will demonstrate. At the first demo, there where about 100,000 peaceful people. They said 35,000 on the news and the coverage wasn’t complete.
The biggest money is being made on the testing, not the vaccines! One vaccine €2. the cost of the PCR testing to date for Austria alone: 1,8 billion!!!!! The State is footing the bill for everything; actually, the tax payer. My husband has been test almost 250 times to date in order to work. Now they are requesting vaccine and testing on top of it to go into a theater or concert hall!
It’s nuts. They say masks don’t help. We’ll, it’s easy to understand. We are 2 million in Vienna. The metro is packed every day. We have a super low Covid incidence compared to the state of upper Austria and Salzburg, where it’s rural! The masks work.
Now news last Friday. 3/4 of the Covid Sick are 5-14. They get tested 2x a week at school. They don’t go to hospital. They get Covid, have symptoms or not, they’re back on their feet. Perfect. They are now immune. so Let them get it! they did not mention how many are actually dying right now. Why not? It’s very low compared to last November, where we had only 40% of today‘s total cases and more dying. Now they are locking us down. Why not lock down upper Austria and Salzburg? The Viennese are ok. We are more than 1/4 of the country and Financial Center, UNO, OASE, etc. This thing will not stop till almost everyone has had it anyway. I’ve heard this from scientists and I believe it.
of course this is the time and to push to vaccinate those under 12. nothing is more dangerous than having had Covid and the a vaccine on top of it! my daughter is 17 and was already vaccine damaged twice. She has physically not yet recovered since she was 2.
Like I mentioned before, doctors inside one of the Hospitals told me about half in the ICU are vaccinated, but are mostly 50+ kg overweight, or have severe diabetes, even the one girl that died at 19. ALL have a vitamin D deficiency!! That’s all I need to know and I’m settled and I know what to do.
Have a great week.
Anag
Hi Anag,
Love your posts. So refreshing to have someone speak the truth.
Here in NL , we are also in another insane and useless lockdown, especially those who do not want to take the jab. Many basic human rights have been taken away by our "caretaker govt", (as the parties can't/won't sort themselves out to form a proper govt.) Unbelievable.
I too was on a recent peaceful protest against the overreaching power of the govt. Again, hugely under-reported by the msm.
I have several friends and families who have had covid. Those who were unvaccinated got over it very quickly with no lasting side effects and the vits C, D, Zinc and quercitin rapidly helped with recovery, they were feeling much better within 24hours. Those who had had 1 or 2 jabs really suffered ( regardless of age, weight or fitness levels) and have taken a very long time to recover. But we should not be surprised as the studies show that each jab reduces your innate immune system.
Even have friend & family member, who had had cancer a decade or 2 ago, were in complete remission. But within 2 months of the jab, both had recurrence of very aggressive cancers needing surgery and chemo. Another of my friends could barely walk or lift her arms after her 2nd jab and was in great pain for months. Her GP was useless and put her on very dangerous drugs, without even giving her a diagnosis. Another doctor is having to slowly wean her off those.
I am totally flabbergasted when people say, " it would have been worse if you hadn't had your first 2/3 jabs'. That's not my experience at all.
Lets not forget all these jabs are still experimental, in phase 3 of the trials, that do not end until 2023. And would you really trust a company like pfizer who in 2009 had the biggest ever fine for health care fraud settlement in history, $2.3 billion!
Hi Amethyst,Yes , I was debilitated after the second Pfizer for over a month. I could hardly make breakfast.
Conventional Medicine is great for emergencies and for life saving. If there are chronic ailments, they can’t help. Natural treatments can and with little or no side effects. I have cured myself from food intolerances, eczema, depression, bloating, distension, enlarged lymph nodes, fatty liver, chronic nasal infection, bad breath and body odour, brain fog, balance problems, dry eyes, etc. I even managed to stop my ET from getting worse, killed athletes foot and warts in record time, all without buying anything Frim the pharmacy! 😂
I did this with the help of a few fabulous conventional/but also functional doctors and a lot of studying and diligence on my own. I haven’t had a cold or bronchitis in 4 years! We actually yes, 3x, but I got rid of it in 36 hours!
Nevertheless, I don’t want to wait to see what will happen if I get Covid. I had 40+ Times bronchitis in my life, massive nasal infections and pneumonia 3x. Who knows? I got Pfizer twice.
My husband and most friends had almost no reaction. I lay a few did, but quite badly. That’s not normal for vaccines.
Today, an intelligent friend told me that 11% of youth have long Covid after getting the infection. I don’t know of a single case in that age category, nor could I find statistics that support that statement. I will continue looking.
Just as you mentioned, the governments are failing us. They are afraid to take steps. Also, they are victims of aggressive info coming in from all sides. I don’t want to be in their shoes. Covid is helping us take a good hard look at our society and ourselves. Our lives and livelihood is so fragile! We must learn to be more humble and less self-centered and egoistic. I find this to be the blessing of Covid and also, our earth is able to breath a bit again. The air is fresher!
I’m sorry about the political mess and the demonstrations in the NL. Parts of that were nothing but madness. Keep well! And don’t let this upset you. We have to enjoy our lives nevertheless. 🙂
Good night. Anag.
Interesting to read people’s thoughts and experiences on this. I can see that soon, anyone not willing to take the 3rd jab will also be considered antivaxxers. I doubt it will stop at 3 either. The countries are too invested in this as the only solution.
Since 19 th March 2020 COVID-19, is no longer considered to be a high consequence infectious disease (HCID) in the UK. In July this year, the uk govt admitted the overall infection fatality rate is 0.096, yet we have still got to this point. 🥴
I thought only those refusing to have vaccine are on lockdown. It’s also reported on uk tv that Austrians have the lowest percentage of vaccine take up. Am I wrong?
Austria are now going on a full 20 day lockdown even those vaccinated. You are right saying its been reported that Austrians have the lowest take up of vaccines. Looks like Covid is running rampant across European countries again and it is something we're going to have to live with because some of us can't shield our entire lives or until it 'settles down' as its shown we will have to live with it. Tina.
Thank you for the update. As fir Covid going rampant in Europe, my son works at a hotel under a government contract to house Covid positive long distant drivers.The occupancy rate is on the increase.
Wishing you the best, Keep safe
"The occupancy rate is on the increase." that's interesting.
Would be helpful to know if they are double vaccinated/unvaccinated, if they have symptoms, if they need medical Rx, what the Cycle threshold was for the test (?false +ve)
Where i live in Europe, the numbers are according to the govt, 'going up' but that just means more +ve tests, as they relentlessly test the school kids. In reality we have half the numbers of people in hospital compared to last year and no one talks about daily deaths anymore, cos i guess its no longer a newsworthy number, yet they are imposing ever more strict measures against those who , quite legally, choose not to get the jab.
Weird times indeed.
Let me add that those testing positive are long distance drivers and I believe they haven’t been vaccinated.
I would be very surprised if they hadn't been vaccinated, bearing in mind how difficult and costly it is will all the testing etc.
According to one retired NHS statistician, who is trying to work through the recent NHS data, he states, The definition of ‘unvaccinated’ varies. This may mean admission within 14 days of the initial dose, it may mean admission prior to the 2nd dose and it may mean admission prior to the booster. "
When i read this, it means they have had a least 1 jab, possibly 2. Certainly not 0.
Hi Hidden Sorry to hear this.
I haven't, but one of my friends has. She suffers with asthma and had to be hospitalised due to breathing problems. This happened a few weeks after her 3rd vaccine.
My 3rd vaccine is due at the end of the month, I have the appointment booked, and I am seriously considering cancelling the appointment. I'm not anti-vax - I had my first two and my flu and pneumonia jabs, but I think that if people are still getting Covid after being vaccinated 3 times, then the vaccines aren't working! So, there is no point in having another one.
At this moment in time, I would prefer to carry on with what I've been doing since the beginning of the pandemic, social distancing, hand sanitising and facemask and bolster my own immune system.
Hope you feel better soon.
I am sorry your friend has been so ill. It sounds bad enough but perhaps it should be considered how much worse it could have been without the three vaccines. We know the vaccines available to date might not stop us catching it, but hopefully in due course they will be tweaked enough to do this and also new antibody drugs are becoming available. However statiscally evidence is showing less serious illness, or worse, if vaccinated, but with the first two vaccines waning the booster or third primary vaccine, if eligble, are essential.
Also it is being shown that the fully vaccinated are not transmitting it so easily especially within households. Anecdotally my daughter in law has just had covid, luckily mildly, but my son didn't catch it. Neither are eligible yet for the boosters so it appeared their two Pfizer vaccines were still working.
This article, which will have been peer reviewed, is interesting.
imperial.ac.uk/news/231557/...
Certainly if I hadn't already had the third primary vaccine I would be really pushing for it. I do hope you will reconsider.
"[...] if people are still getting Covid after being vaccinated 3 times, then the vaccines aren't working! So, there is no point in having another one."
Even 3 doses won't necessarily stop you getting COVID, but it reduces the likelihood of you getting it, and also reduces the severity of it if you are unlucky enough to catch it i.e. still worth getting it!
(of course if you have had serious issues with the effects from the first 2 doses then that's a different story)
Hi cpa09gp I've had oedema since having the two doses - It's not been attributed to the AZ Vaccines, but there is no possible other cause as far as I'm concerned, heart, kidneys etc are all fine. I walk every day, getting in my 10,000 steps, and I'm not overweight. And I didn't have it before the vaccines - my GP and Haem are both puzzled by it.
I have it in both lower legs, ankles and feet. Taking Vit B12 (prescribed by my GP) eased it for a while - and then it came back.
Five weeks ago, the top of my ankle boots rubbed the skin raw on my right leg, and it's only just healed - so something has definitely caused the circulation in my lower legs to fail badly.
I haven't decided to NOT get the 3rd Vaccine, but I am hesitant, and I've got the next two weeks to think about it. Weigh up all the pros and cons.
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There are some reports of oedema after vax.
<<Extensive limb swelling (ELS) has been reported after vaccination with a limited number of vaccine types. >>
academic.oup.com/cid/articl...
But it seems esp related to the DTaP vaccine.
If you do decide get a third, it could make sense to try a different type, such as mRNA.
Thanks EPguy I'm sure I can't have the Pfizer vaccine as I have multiple allergies relating to medication - penicillin, clopidogrel and a beta-blocker (can't remember the brand name) So I guess that would mean it would have to be the Moderna.
That's a lot of reactions, sorry to hear. Are there any non covid vaxes that you were ok with? That could be useful info for your Dr.
Moderna is also mRNA, and is at an even higher dose than Pfizer for all adult versions. So you would want to avoid that also to avoid mRNA.
That leaves you with only more AZ or JJ (if that is approved in UK) But JJ is also adenovirus vax.
The main other Western vax up for approval is Novavax, which has good effectiveness and uses a different tech from the others. (Protein/adjuvant) It is likely near approval in Euro. You might discuss with your Dr.
Hi EPguy I have the flu vaccine every year with no issues, and I also recently had the pneumonia vaccine, again everything was fine.
My first two vaccines were AZ, but they appear to have caused the circulation and oedema problems - It might be the case that I have to wait for the Novavax.
My allergies are clearly displayed on my medical notes - I'm basing the fact that I can't have the Pfizer vaccine on my Uncle, who is allergic to penicillin and clopidogrel, who when the vaccines were first rolled out, waited for ages at a vaccine centre and was turned away due to his allergies, and they were only giving Pfizer.
🤔 I will try to speak to my GP.
I have the same. It is from the vaccination. It’s one of the most common side effects listed. The doctors are not specialist. Please report this officially and get yourself compression stockings. This will reduce your risk of thrombosis. Do you also have discolouration in your ankles and lower calves? Then the blood is leaking out of your veins. The discolouration is iron from the blood that leaked. At the same time I got iron deficiency, although my ferritin was good. Stockings to keep you legs and circulation healthy! 😁
Anag
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Kari 1961 I really think ur right in everything u have said I’m having an antibody test done on Tuesday nhs are posting it out let’s hope I have some antibody’s against it thank u
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kari 1961 thank u for ur kind reply I think ur right in everything u said that’s me done with the vacines nhs are doing an antibody test arriving Tuesday hope I have some antibody’s and il take my chances
I have had all three doses Biontech Pfizer no issues at all. My partner the same. Infact of the 100 plus in my family and friends no one has had anything more then sore arm or flu like symptoms for a few days
I have a few friends who caught covid after being double vaccinated but apart from one who lost sense of smell they all fortunately had mild symptoms.
In Germany we are having a new wave and iCU beds are filling up especially in Bavaria but it’s mostly the unvaccinated . Around 15-20 million here are unvaccinated. No mandates as yet.
But the vaccines also appear to be less effective for some over time. Boosters are now on offer to everyone regardless of age etc. Moderna is not available here to those under 30. And AstraZeneca and J&J appear to be no longer offered. Novavax is in the process of EU approval another alternative. What l am unclear about is the effectiveness of mixing different covid vaccines and its acceptance for things like travel.
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Hi Dovme,
interested to hear about all the unvaccinated in ICU in DE.
I follow a retired NHS statistician about what is happening in UK . He has noted a discrepancy of what constitutes an unvaccinated person as the definition can vary greatly between hospitals.
He states: "The definition of ‘unvaccinated’ varies. This may mean admission within 14 days of the initial dose, it may mean admission prior to the 2nd dose and it may mean admission prior to the booster. "
Do you by chance know which definition is being used in Germany? Are they really unvaccinated or are the govts trying to fudge the results? The above suggests the people have had 1 or 2 jabs, not 0.
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Hi Amethist. I am not sure what you mean by govt trying to fudge the results. Why would they do that? In answer to your question. The data is based on PCR tests and is collated via German federal system. The Robert Koch institute collects and publishes data. They are scientists, doctors and function as an independent body. They also make recommendations to the govt. Many of which gets ignored. The ICU beds are overwhelmed with Covid patients. In Bavaria they have actually sent patients to Italy for treatment. I don't believe in conspiracy theories. Things like vaccines make people magnetic or infertile or Bill gates is taking over the world or the Great reset all nonsnse. Most of us on here went through very hard times worried if we would survive covid as peoples with blood cancers. Many were self isolating and even not seeing family. I am grateful to the German govt for part funding Biontech the company that created the formula for the Pfizer vaccine. I am also grateful to the billions they gave to support many small businesses and low income families here in Germany. Our knowledge of covid is evolving but l read today that 7.66 billion doses have been given globally and 42% of people globally are fully vaccinated. That is an incredible achievement
Interesting confusion. In US fully vaxed is fairly standard, for the Mod, Pf is it two weeks after the 2nd dose. There's plenty of political stuff here too, but this definition is not a big element of it.
In UK the history of a long and varying interval between 1st and 2nd doses does add to the looseness of the definition. In US it has been the same three or four weeks. But there is thought the longer UK intervals may be better.
It is likely here at some point it will require at least the third dose to be considered fully vaxed, as it is in Israel. Most of my friends and associates have #3 already.
May I ask why your government ignores the recommendations of their independent scientists and doctors? Its the same in the UK and other countries too.
Is your govt publicly open and transparent about their reasons for doing so? I wish ours was.
When I write to my MP, I personally find that he avoids answering my questions, which is very frustrating. I am awaiting his next reply with interest as its related to the statistics surrounding covid .
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Not sure if this is the right forum for this. But I will try and answer. Most of the recommendations by RKI are for stricter measures, mandates and lockdowns. Merkel the outgoing chancellor is also at this time calling for stricter measures. We never stopped wearing masks here infact we have to wear medical grade FFP2 masks not cloth, We have an app that has our covid vax info to access venues etc. Its inconveniance more then anything. But it is generally supported by the majority. German states decide the rules themselves a little like the US but they try to coordinate with each other. Open and transparent? My personal opinion Germany doesn't have a challenging media its all very polite. Politicians are more respected then I think in the UK or US. No Jeremy Paxmans here. Goverment is multi party and consensus reigns. My opinion as a non German
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I hope you are feeling better now. The positive side is that you have the best possible immunity against Covid now.
does any one know a good private haematologist in north west England in Liverpool or manchester
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