Non residential social services charge.

[Exsubmariner]

My son moved into supported living in June 2022 and seems very happy there. I kept control of his finances to monitor his needs. In October 2022 I received an invoice from the local authority for £385.08 which covers a 4 week period of non residential charges. This relates to £96.27 per week. Before he moved into supported living he was charged £26.03. Has anyone else had this problem.

[Hidden]

Were you or a direct family member a signatory to a direct payments agreement or if not the advocate (parental advocate) to an adult needs assessment, supporting your son because of a perceived or else diagnosed mental capacity precept, giving rise to an adult care plan?

How is/was your son defined for the health and social care assessment that facilitated the supported living placement.

1. (a)Primary Needs as Learning disability (b) Sub Primary Needs as Learning disability

2. (a) Primary Needs as Physical needs - (b) Sub Primary Needs as Physical Care Needs.

I'm a father of a learning disabled son who prefers para to sub precepts whereas I was a landlubber.

[Galwaybay2]

Yes, we pay £542 please month in contribution.

[49Twister]

Yes you should have been informed of this before he moved in. My son pays £141 per week £564 every 4 weeks, and I'm very unhappy at the service he receives. Glad your son is happy there.

[Exsubmariner in reply to 49Twister]

Do you understand why they are being charges these fees. I have done some investigations about this and what I am finding is frightening for the future of these people. The problem I have is telling the right people about what is happening in my council area.

[49Twister]

Everyone in social care has to pay a contribution towards their care unless they have certain medical issues and are funded by the NHS. I think it also depends on the area you live and the local authority your in. We live in Newcastle upon Tyne. I don't really understand how they work it out but basically their taking pretty much all of my son's PIP and he receives the highest amount. Even when he's not there he still pays this, I'm taking him on holiday for 3 weeks next month!!! Daylight robbery in my view

[Exsubmariner in reply to 49Twister]

Totally agree. I live in South Wales. The local authority uses the formular of ESA plus 45% is my sons weekly allowance which they call the Minimum Income Ammount (MIA). The problem is they used the lowest level of ESA in the formular but my son gets the Severe Disability Premium on top of the lower rate of ESA which is part of his ESA.

For instance

Lower level ESA £135.15

+45% £60.90

= £196.25

ESA with premium £204.75

+45% £92.14

= £296.88

So my son loses all his PIP and som of his ESA.

It's a discrase.

[49Twister]

Would you mind sharing what section 117 aftercare means please. Thankyou

[49Twister]

Thankyou this doesn't really apply to me I was just curious what it was and what it meant.

[Exsubmariner]

Not really what my son is charge for. Non residential charge it seems is just a way for the council to recover some of the cost of they are being charges by the company looking after him. This is supposed to be about non residential service charge.

[Exsubmariner]

Not really about the subject question

[TeresaTT]

My son lives in residential care and pays a contribution. Sadly, residential care contributions are very different to those for supported living. The council can take all of your benefits and leave you with just the Personal Expense Allowance of £25.65 a week plus PIP mobility. The system is geared towards older people in care homes not young adults who want an active life, mobile phone, computer, TV etc.

[TeresaTT in reply to TeresaTT]

More information here carehome.co.uk/advice/perso...

[TeresaTT in reply to TeresaTT]

Sorry, I misread your post. I thought your son was in residential care. Supported living is more complicated as the amount the council can leave your son with is called the minimum income guarantee and is nationally set by the government each year. It's calculated depending on age, marital status etc. Some councils increase the amount they leave you with by an extra 25%. You can also reduce the amount you pay by claiming for any disability related expenditure such as special equipment, food, continence supplies, extra gas/electricity etc. PIP mobility is not affected.