BRAIN FOG DISCUSSION - NUMEROUS REPORTS OF ABUSE

[Irene]

I'd like to remind members that it is expected that people will be courteous to others when posting comments. The topic of Brain Fog is very interesting but it seems that some people object to another's point of view and have become confrontational and dismissive of other peoples views.

* Please do not post comments that are sexist.

* Do not be patronising to someone in response to their comment, picking on grammar or spelling doesn't contribute anything

* Don't be dismissive of another persons view because it doesn't fit with yours.

* Don't generalise without putting some evidence out there e.g. most Coeliacs are women.

This page aims to be self supporting. We are adults and should be able to be part of a useful, interesting discussion without feeling unable to express our view.

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Here's my view of Brain Fog

1) It is a key symptom of the autoimmune disease, Pernicious Anaemia. So much so that it causes individuals real problems in functioning normally. People leave their jobs as they cannot keep pace as they used to. B12 injections treat this disease but if a late diagnosis has occurred, which is often the case, then damage causes by this disease cannot always be undone.

2) Anaemia - symptoms of anaemia can also involve brain fog. This is likely to disappear when the anaemia is treated.

3) Some individuals do not experience the classic 'stomach problems' which are attributed to the autoimmune Coeliac Disease. Sometime Gluten Ataxia is the only symptom. Causing brain fog and balance issues . As we know the treatment for Coeliacs is following a gluten free diet but if individuals are exposed to gluten, 'glutened' then a number of symptoms can follow. These include the need to run for the toilet, cramps etc but can also involve intense brain fog, feeling wiped out for a week or so.

4) Thyroid Disease - this can also have brain fog as a key symptom. Usually when drugs are prescribed this symptom resolves but not always.

Please feel free to carry on the discussion either here or on the original post. It's been interesting seeing the various views.

[Hidden]

Hi Irene, well said and thanks for standing up for members.

Jerry

[pretender in reply to Hidden]

You are patronising as usual Jerry. It was expected from you.

I am going to review our chats from several years ago

[Rmichelle in reply to pretender]

No need for that pretender!!

[Irene Administrator in reply to pretender]

Pretender - please carefully read my post above. If you cannot, or are not, willing to stick to the guidelines then this group isn't for you. Calling Jerry patronising is not acceptable.

[pretender in reply to Irene]

That is fine would you personally like copies of some of his e- mails to me since 2010? You might even look at some of his posts, “ Hi folks,......that’s my-two penny worth.

If this group cannot discuss topics in an adult manner without changing the content of the thread or being personally abusive because someone does not agree with the abuser it should be shut down.

[Irene Administrator in reply to pretender]

Sorry you feel that way Pretender. We are obviously failing to meet your expectations so please feel free to remove yourself. Please note that if you continue to make personal remarks about Jerry or other members of this group then you will be restricted.

[pretender in reply to Irene]

Will the same apply to those who are abusive? I doubt it

[Rmichelle in reply to pretender]

Pretender what you fail to notice is the fact you are personally attacking people aswell and being downright patronisingbin your comments and the fact you implied you dont have brainfog because you eat healthy, fruit veg etc- are you implying we dont eat a good balanced diet-it was a patronising comment!!

[pretender in reply to Rmichelle]

I have not personally attacked you or Orangerose but you have personally abused me throughout this thread. What did I patronize on? I do my research and make my comments on any post I respond to, What was the implication that I was going shopping to buy some fresh veg and non gf foods so I do not get brain fog? Its the way you read things and convert it to your own agenda.

[Rmichelle in reply to pretender]

You are very good!! and quite sneaky on how you put your answers back. I find you very displeasant.😊

[pretender in reply to Rmichelle]

I am not very good or sneaky, I stick to the Topic of a thread and if I cannot comment I leave alone. As advised by Irene , admin I shall keep my comments to myself and hope you do not respond to my future threads.

[Rmichelle in reply to pretender]

No danger of me responding to your thread pretender, so here goes-i dont care for your threads and to be honest you are a very sad difficult obstinate bitter person who i find very rude to others. So i am removing myself from this forum as i have better things to discuss!!!

[Rmichelle in reply to pretender]

People will change the thread slightly but like i said before it really matters very little to the majority of people as its all connected to the topic.☺

[pretender in reply to Rmichelle]

This is the Topic for discussion/debate.

Can anyone explain this! Is it a medical condition.

It has not yet been explained or has it been stated as a medical condition so very little was about the Topic!

[Rmichelle in reply to pretender]

You know what you are sooo annoying and i think alot of people would agree with me-let it go now pretender!!

[pretender in reply to Rmichelle]

So annoying ? Then why keep on abusing me because of my comments? Leave alone and stick to this group being “ gluten free”.

[Irene Administrator in reply to Rmichelle]

I sincerely hope you wont leave GFG Rmichelle. As you say threads do wander which is no bad thing.

[Rmichelle in reply to Irene]

Thankyou kindly im not going anywhere.

[Lisahelen]

I can agree with your take on ‘the fog’.

I have b12d more than likely from being a Silent coeliac. My dad, i am convinced was the same, but his developed into ataxia( classic symptoms at end) but cant prove it thirty years later. Neither of us had tummy issues but suffer(ed) nerve and memory issues.

[Irene Administrator in reply to Lisahelen]

Thank you Lisahelen. I saw recently there is some investigation into whether PA/B12 defiency causes brain damage, temporary or permanent. It is known that many people recover once B12 is supplemented but some people suffer life long symptoms. There is still much to learn on this issue.

[pretender]

One of the first tests I had when suspected of Coeliac Disease was for anemia, yes prescribed ‘ preparation’ iron and folic acid. So somewhere along the line something is not being done by healthcare professionals.

B12 injections are given because of a deficiency and mainly in women, just googled it.

Thyroid is hormonal, all available on the internet.

[Irene Administrator in reply to pretender]

Generalised statement again. Where is the evidence that B12 deficiency affects mainly women?

[pretender in reply to Irene]

Here is the link:

patient.info/health/anaemia...

[pretender in reply to pretender]

Did you read this Irene? Usually happens over the age of 50 and mainly in women! So not a geralised Statement was it?

[Irene Administrator in reply to pretender]

It could be argued that more women visit their GP with symptoms and are then diagnosed. I haven't seen any evidence to suggest otherwise

[pretender in reply to Irene]

Could be an interesting thread to see if men go to their GP and get tested, the same with thyroid disease. If any. But I shall not be doing it.

[pretender in reply to Irene]

might help

DR. IZABELLA WENTZ, PHARM D Thyroid Pharmacist Main navigation Home Articles Products The Root Cause Supplements Gift Resources 7 Things You Should Know about Thyroid Disease in Men Dr. Izabella Wentz / June 16, 2017 Share 464 Share Tweet 10 Pin 0 Share It’s true that thyroid disease affects women more frequently than men. Statistics state that 5-8 women are diagnosed with Hashimoto’s thyroiditis for every man who is diagnosed. Hormones are thought to play a role in the development of Hashimoto’s, but I also think there are numerous additional reasons why women may be more frequently affected. I’ve written an entire article about my Safety Theory that explains why women have more thyroid disease, and I also wanted to share some light on thyroid disease and Hashimoto’s in men. With thyroid issues (and autoimmunity as a whole) being less common in men, it is often overlooked by doctors. In fact, most men aren’t ever given a thyroid test or panel unless they specifically request the testing. For an article on the most accurate tests to ask for, please read Top 6 Thyroid Tests. Male hormones are thought to play a protective role in the development of Hashimoto’s, and men with low testosterone are more likely to be diagnosed with Hashimoto’s, while men with hyperthyroidism are more likely to have elevated levels of testosterone. (1) In addition to fatigue, cold intolerance, weight gain, and the “typical” symptoms of Hashimoto’s, men with Hashimoto’s and hypothyroidism may notice symptoms such as low libido, depression, high cholesterol, loss of executive function, a reduced frequency of morning erections, difficulty in growing facial hair, erectile dysfunction, as well as a loss of muscle mass. Fertility issues may also result! Some of these symptoms could be related to low testosterone. (2,3) Low testosterone could be a trigger, an exacerbating factor, and even a consequence, of thyroid disease. Thyroid hormones can normalize the testosterone levels. In some cases, prescription testosterone and/or DHEA may also be a beneficial therapy for reducing symptoms and/or thyroid antibodies. DHEA has been found to reduce thyroid antibodies in women with PCOS, and another study found that DHEA can normalize abnormal immune cells that are present in Hashimoto’s and Graves’. (4-7) Selenium deficiency has been found to be a trigger for Hashimoto’s. Numerous studies have been done to support the use of selenium in Hashimoto’s, but there is conflicting data on the connection between selenium and prostate cancer. Some studies have said that high selenium levels reduce the risk of prostate cancer and that selenium supplements can help prostate cancer, while others stated that taking a selenium supplement can increase the risk of death in men with prostate cancer. The form of selenium may make a difference, as can the type of cancer. I recommend annual PSA screenings and prostate exams for all men, starting at age 40. Dr. Geo Espinosa, my go-to prostate cancer doc and “the Natural Urology Doctor,” recommends using the high selenized yeast form of selenium in men. I had the chance to talk to him about men’s health in this interview. (8-12) Having a male parent with Hashimoto’s increases the likelihood of having Hashimoto’s in the offspring, so if dad has Hashimoto’s, make sure you test the kiddos! Read more about the role of genetics in this post. Men too can develop postpartum thyroid issues! More accurately, they can develop “sympathetic” postpartum thyroiditis where they will develop changes in thyroid function after the birth of their children. A 2015 case report documented the thyroid labs of a man who had recurrent episodes of thyrotoxicosis after three of his wife’s pregnancies! (His wife had Hashimoto’s.) The researchers concluded that “Documented hormonal changes in men, during postpartum period, whether stress related or evolutionary in nature, are suggestive of the diagnosis of “sympathetic” postpartum thyroiditis.” (13) Optimizing thyroid hormones, addressing food sensitivities, nutrient depletions, the stress response, chronic infections, and toxins are the fundamentals to helping men and women with Hashimoto’s recover their health. Targeted therapies to balance male and female hormones may also be used for each gender 🙂 Hashimoto’s Protocol focuses on the fundamentals of reversing the symptoms and getting to the root cause of Hashimoto’s.

[Cooper27]

It's always just a good idea to walk away if someone is being confrontational online. Sometimes you forget you hold the power to do so, and don't need to keep engaging!

With regards to brain fog, I agree with you that it is associated with a number of conditions. I've always viewed it as a symptom rather than a condition in its own right (much like a runny nose). What's actually going on in the brain, I don't know!

[Irene Administrator]

My response to you seemed to coincide with this comment. Please remove it Pretender.

[Activity2004]

Thank you for posting this posting, Irene . It's good sometimes to be reminded of how things have to be done as a group and/or individually. I personally know that not everyone will see eye to eye on certain issues, but people have to try and work together as a team. They also should try to get along with each other.

As for brain fog, I do get it if I start having low numbers for blood sugars. I'm a type 1 diabetic for the last 30+ years. When the numbers start dropping, things go slower than planned for me.

[FionaGFG Administrator]

pretender We are Private messaging you again. Please stop posting to this thread.

[pretender in reply to FionaGFG]

First of all I have not been told to stop responding to a post that originated from me.

Secondly what have you advised to those who abused me on this thread?

Thirdly why not just delete the thread to stop what is happening?

[FionaGFG Administrator]

pretender

1. You clearly know the rules of the group and have been stepping over the line repeatedly. If many members are repeatedly telling you they are concerned about your tone and posts then as you know this is a cause for concern.

2. We regularly private message people who do not comply with the spirit of the community and this post itself clearly reiterates what is the community is about

3. We do not delete posts just because members disagree as that would be unfair to those who have provided good advice and comments

Steps have been taken to pause the arguments on this thread and we're following up with Pretender separately.

To all our new and long standing members we ask you all to have a break from the keyboard and enjoy Saturday night. We appreciate your support and contribution to the community - however sometimes it's good to step away from the PC and log again tomorrow with a fresh perspective.

Thanks

GFG