The Starch Solution

[MRA13]

Did anyone try Dr. macdoughal 's Starch Solution? When I strictly adhered to it, my fasting was 70-90 and PPBS 120- 180. The 180 was when I cheated a bit and had fat or bone broth etc.

[alwaysoptimistic]

Give details!

[MRA13 in reply to alwaysoptimistic]

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[suttu]

What is starch solutions

[basusumit]

What is this starch solution? Is it possible to know more?

Regards

[MRA13 in reply to basusumit]

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[nairrajis]

what is your daily diet? can you elaborate? your resluts looks good. What was it before. What is your a1c now. What was it before?. Please give specifics. Interested, since I am vegan.

[MRA13 in reply to nairrajis]

Pls see my detailed reply. My hba1c a week before was 7.7 . I never used rice, ate millets. But just before testing, I had been away and could not keep my diet for some days.

I use Lantus 16 units and glucose in sr 500 1 tab in the morning. I stopped my Diamicron as I was always going up and down . My meds can be increased, but what I quoted on the starch diet was without any medication. I stopped meds after 3 days when fasting came down to 70. But if you cheat and eat a Kachori, it can send the BS up. Whenever I tried forbidden oily items PPBS went up to 185 .

I think a vegan diet might suit my body best. But it is vegan, no oil, low sugar. We use only coconut oil.

Please see the website, videos, reviews etc.

Regards

Susan

[MRA13]

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Please refer to the above . And see the free webinar in YouTube given by Dr John Mcdoughal on Type 2.

I just went through the website's free program first and tried it for a mere 10 days. So I cannot say anything about HbA1c.

My former diet was starch plus fat / fried ans sautéed vegetables, steamed vegetables, plus chicken, eggs, fish etc. I tried to move to non veg plus fat plus very little starch. Figures improved a bit but craving for starch and an unfulfilled feeling. Etc. So I thought this is more like our normal diet thirty years ago. Rice based breakfast, rice based lunch with a bit of fish, rice based dinner, or wheat, tapioca, sweet potato, yams and tubers. Chicken and meat occasionally. Low oil

I decided to give this a try.

So I had Puttu with banana for breakfast, rice Thoran, curry etc for lunch, same for dinner etc. It would be easier to say what I omitted. Butter, eggs, meat, milk, fried items. Fish only minimal quantity as curry.

Sugar and sweets, very very little.

Please see the review of Dr john Mcdoughal's book. 'The Starch solution ' on Amazon. Please see his videos. I cannot explain it all.

Again, much of the starch I use and which he advocates is resistant starch. Cooked, cooled and reheated. We use parboiled red rice. I cook for two days and I eat the refrigerated rice after reheating as it increases resistant starch. Same with potatoes yams etc. Bread can be kept in freezer, thawed and used to increase resistant starch. I do not know the effect of microwaving, but otherwise reheating does not reconvert the starch. Resistant starch is good for the gut flora. It does not increase blood sugar as it passes into the large intestine like fibre.

I really love eating starch. Fruit is restricted to 3 servings per day. You must check triglycerides. I have not been on it long enough for remarking on the effect on lipids.

Dessert is a treat, not the main meal. But it is allowed.

So Christmas Turkey, Carribean Dark Fruit cake etc. are only to be tasted not eaten to satiety. Though I never eat turkey, I can have appam and veg stew as well as a small slice of cake as dessert.

Anyone interested must necessarily see the free program and free webinar to understand this properly. No need to buy or spend anything . Free western recipes are there in the website.

There is also a talk which he gave at Mumbai for a vegan society. I am not vegan, but I think, with a bit of restraint, this might work for me.

The starch diet will send BS crashing. So be careful. Starch is not sugar. It is fibre rich, filling, yummy carb.

Wasn't Shooter George's diet mainly resistant starch from heirloom wheat and as gruel, very little far?

I am new to this. Please read up.

All my best wishes,

Susan

[MRA13]

Yes, it did. It is packed with protein and fat, though I skimmed some of the visible fat off.

I just shared my experience. Dr. Mcdoughal shares various researches. Dr. Prasad, in Kerala has helped many control diabetes through a similar approach which he calls the sugar cure.

Strictly speaking it is a very low fat diet, with vegan proteins.

Details, reviews etc. In the web. Since I am not the expert, I cannot comment further. Simple sugars, including fruits are restricted, not banned.

I have no personal axe to grind, so no need to cross examine. You can take it or leave it.

[nairrajis]

Thank you Susan, will go through the website.

I am vegan, following Shooter George's LW diet for BF and dinner, I too follow part of LCHF diet, that is mostly coconot oil and coconut in more than moderation, and for lunch, I cook red matta rice in large qty for 3 days, strain the starch water 3-4 times, then store in fridge, and next day take out the qty for the day in the morning itself and by lunch time, it will be room temp. My suger is getting controlled, out of med for morning.

[Gillkashmirsingh in reply to nairrajis]

Can you please share your daily

Menu with us

[MRA13 in reply to Gillkashmirsingh]

My diet is typical Kerala. Kerala people follow a rice based diet. As nairajis says, I too use red rice cooked beforehand . I use Shooter George's LW Puttu breakfast and one chapathi, which is thick, for dinner. I used to eat chicken with lunch and dinner, but now I have cut it out. I use fish or no non veg and have vegetables and dals.

I suggest you see the interview of Macdoughal with Pritkin on YouTube . Pritkin's way has room for everything, but in moderation.

I think in the end, all this is about managing your calories. Starchy foods like raw banana curry etc cooked and cooled rice etc are filling but the absorbable calories is less. Oils and animal foods are dense with calories and combined with starch, you may overeat.

Starch and sugars are burnt off first. Coconut oil, I hear, is not like other oils and does not pass off to your fat cells like other fat. I do not know much about it but naturopaths advocate coconut oil.

Now I eat our traditional foods. We had fatty foods like Victoria Sponges and Rich cakes only on occasions but now all sort of festival foods have become daily fare. I avoid these now except on occasions.

The best thing is that I have overcome my fear of carbs and sugar. If I include fat, I cut the carbs in the meal. Generally, I eat the regular rice curry and vegetables and cut the dense foods. I have half an apple, one banana and an orange at different times on the same day.

I feel more satisfied eating our regular food. I do not miss the chicken at all and use fish curry a few days. I add freshly ground flax seeds to my Puttu. Sometimes, cinnamon too. Use Amla pickle every day.

If I avoid all fats, but eat carbs to my fill, fasting can come between 90-100 and PPBS up to 185.

My meds are just Lantus and Gluformin SR. I have gone back to them as I shall be going away for a time and would not be able to adhere to any sort of diet and Christmas with its goodies is here. But I will try to keep at it as far as possible.

As Mcdoughal says, it is the food! But what food suits whom is not clear.

I was sure that there were ways to control or reduce meds. It was sheer curiosity and a desire to know what goes on in my own body. I think it is our duty to listen to our bodies and do the best we can for it. It has served us faithfully for decades and our abuse has brought it to this position and it is trying to protect itself and call for help.

Sugar and starch improve insulin sensitivity.

Regards

Susan

[Gillkashmirsingh in reply to MRA13]

Thank you sir very much for this wonderful information.

[MRA13 in reply to nairrajis]

Shooter George's is not Low Carb. If you use LW mash morning and evening and rice for lunch, you are on starch.

[ShooterGeorge in reply to MRA13]

You are very much right @ MRA13.

[MRA13]

I think it must be that instead of eating staples, we feast everyday on baked goods, refined flour etc. Biscuits used to be my food whenever I felt hungry in between meals. We go for quick fixes, at least I do and these are full of simple sugars and trans-fats. I hate granola bars. Tastes like cardboard . I love to eat. I cannot afford almonds and walnuts and iceberg lettuce every day. I can have rice, whole wheat, amaranth, drumstick leaves, brinjals , ladies finger, tomatoes, tapioca, yams, potatoes, green banana, banana flower etc. I think the most sensible diet for me is what is locally available and starch plus pulses and legumes and as little oil as possible. I do not want to be hungry all the time and I want tasty and affordable food in plenty. Each individual is different.

I will try Pritkin and Macdoughal for a couple of months and see whether I can reduce meds further or stop them all together.

Pritkin said 4 to 8 weeks. But I have been on medication for more than 10 years. A newly diagnosed diabetic can reverse his diabetes faster.

[ShooterGeorge in reply to MRA13]

@ MRA13 said 5 months ago "I will try ... ... for a couple of months and see ... ... ".

Now it is five months (Apr 2016). Eager to know the improvement/status. Could not see such a response in this thread.

Hope you will update. 

[MRA13]

Improving is not enough. If I am insulin resistance I must get rid of it entirely. Again, my body may not be producing sufficient insulin. Again, meds may harm more sometimes.

Both Pritkin and Macdoghal have quoted authentic research reports. See their interviews and reports just for info. Very very interesting. A Dr .Prasad says the same here. He has a large following, including actor Nedumudi Venu.

The info by Pritkin and Mcdoughal is extensive. I am neither competent enough nor capable of explaining it. If you are interested, please see the websites and videos. It challenges our ideas hitherto.

Now, diabetes is also suspected to be an autoimmune disease. FFA is said to be the culprit behind diabetes.

We had an endocrinologist here who said eat whatever u like but exercise soon after to burn it off. How much exercise is required to burn off a chocolate bar? It is a daunting prospect and you nibble instead of gorge.

I saw a different view point presented rationally backed by research. I became interested and shared it on the forum.

[MRA13]

That is not what I have always done. I ate very little carbs and more vegetables, eggs, chicken etc. I used ghee, olive oil and coconut oil. In fact, I had stopped rice altogether and ate millets, that too just two tbsp cooked. and ate just 2 tbsp wheat Puttu, coconut and flax in the morning and one chapathi at night. Now, I eat carbs. Potato is not as you say, nor sweet potato or tapioca. They are full of fibre and cooked and cooled, full of resistant starch. I have changed my nutrient dense diet for a bulky, diet.

People have lost weight on the starch solution and their diabetes also disappeared. Not all and not type 1. In all cases it got reduced.

Anyway, I almost never get BS above 250. Above 200 was common before the starch diet afTer my frugal dinner. I hate eating a lot of meats and fats at night. Now it is 180 maximum.Let me see what happens in 2 months. The worst would be that I have to increase Lantus or Gluformin. There is plenty of room as I use less than 20 units Lantus and one Gluformin SR 500 a day.

i have a very curious mind. I like to know. I know curiosity killed the cat. So I am cautious. You are all my sounding boards. Thank you all for being there.

[ShooterGeorge in reply to MRA13]

@ MRA13,

Eating just 2 tbsp LW puttu & 1 chapatti is not LWMDR for sure. If your statement is intended to dilute LWMDR or misguide patients, I have no comments; otherwise please ... .

[MRA13]

Surely I will. Progress or otherwise. Possibility exists for either, but I believe I will improve. Feels good.

Will record in a book.

Thanks

[MRA13]

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I used little millet.

[MRA13]

Hi, @shooter George, I failed in the starch diet because I could not attempt it alone and as I cook what my family wants, I feel tempted to attract taste what I cook. The starch diet is strict vegan and no oil. I can come off insulin if I follow LCHF strictly. But I find it very difficult to sustain any strict diet. When I quoted what I ate, I was just stating what I ate. I was not misrepresenting LWMD. I never really tried that regimen, though I use long wheat most days for breakfast. Most diabetics including my grandfather did.

I was identified as pre-diabetic at 35. I became a full fledged diabetic with high Blood Pressure at 46. Both conditions were reversed through exercise, a vegan diet and intermittent fasting. I think these detox our bodies and that is one of the reasons that all religions advise fasts. After all, religions are guidelines for a good social living.