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I've just put this up on facebook, but thought it might reach out further, so I'm putting it up here:

I regularly post on Healthunlocked and am an administrator on one LCHF site there. Mostly I'm concerned with Diabetes India. I often wonder why I bother when the depth of ignorance and reluctance to address the root causes are displayed. Time and again Ayurvedic nonsense (cows urine anybody?), homeopathy and acupuncture along with other woo trumps good solid evidence that LCHF (Low Carbohydrate, High Fat) is the answer. It’s depressing when you consider that the people posting there must be at least the wealthy middle class to have access to the internet but are too idle or afraid to do a little digging.

But back to us.
There’s a choice to be made if we are to fix what certainly will bankrupt the NHS, currently running at 23.7 billion pounds in the UK. We have the SAD (Standard American Diet) that is killing us against returning to the diet that put you at the top of your ancestral tree. A regime that works, yet you’ll still see the shopping carts of the obese and diabetic full of healthy whole grains, low fat milk, fat free yoghurt and butter substitutes that owe their origins to seed (NOT vegetable) oils, chemicals and stainless steel.

£23.7 billion guys, but politicians in thrall to the lobbyists and vested interests of big agri, food and pharma aren't going to rollover soon. The answer will not come from top down, but from bottom up; with computer literate people who have access to the internet with voices insisting to be heard.

It’s not gluttony and sloth - it’s a changed environment that owes its existence to the dollar.

I grew up in the ’50’s when obesity was seen as something odd. There a wasn’t a problem with T2 diabetes or Alzheimers - look at any pre WW2 photograph of crowds if you want to challenge me.

Don’t like the newspeak of Low Carb High Fat? OK, dump it and just go back to eating what your grandparents ate!

There’s an elephant in the room guys, and I guess I’ll still have to bang the drum, but it does get me down.

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  • Forum is created but who knows that it is created. Many old members on LCHF on DI still post about LCHF on Diabetes India. So taking defense of 50,000 members statistics to downplay the importance of LCHF doesn't mean anything. Even if you google LCHF and diabetes, you will find more posts about LCHF on HU than all the other alternatives like cow urine etc dished out there. Out of 50,000 I think no more than 100 are active in any case, maybe less.

    Might as well focus more on helping people than poking others about who should post where. Leave that job to the moderators. Moreover, this is not just a INDIA only forum.

    Wonder how many followed your recommendations and improved. There are many supporters of the diet and no need for ratification from any so called experts associations who favor the drug industry as that's where they get their money from to talk.

    Soon I will have hospital talking about it. No need to lament against LCHF as it has helped huge numbers across the world and now even 1000+ Indians that I know of personally. Few people opposing it hasn't caused any impact.

    Regarding complications -- prove it first that it exists, else it is an attempt at scare mongering which you also know hasn't work despite the best efforts from all of you for more than 48 months now, including nasty personal attacks right from 2013 against anyone who shared great experiences. Pl don't try and bring in same nastiness on this forum also a this is not a India only forum.

    Here's one recent study which proves what it has to prove:

    healthunlocked.com/diabetes...

    50,000+ members on DI but not even 10 who followed followed your advise or all that "susu" therapy being talked of recently, and reported improvement. Does it mean that no one cares about whatever mainstream advise, cow urine, homeopathy etc is being posted there? At least it looks to be so.

    Is posting about LCHF on this forum not allowed? I don't think so. This is not a INDIA only forum.

  • To Keep it simple on Cow Urine, are you suggesting to the forum that Diabetics should use "Cow Urine".

  • "In so for as the private similar web site,(which you are very familiar) the membership projection varies from 600 plus to 1282 plus and there has been no activity since 2014 except 3 posts in 2016."

    Well perhaps you do not know how to look at stats. The data as available for public view is:

    Discussions: 3,881

    Messages: 36,067

    Members:1,292

    in less than 2 years. Zero SPAM, Zero insults and Zero war of words. The above numbers are visible in public domain, so I am surprised as to how and why you got the numbers wrong. There's also the data for top 5 posters for the day/week/month. A quick glance would show how way off your claims are wrt 3 posts since 2014, off by a factor of 12,000+

    If you want stats for Jul 2016, let me know. I will post the URL which shows day wise stats of posts, threads, active users everyday. Peak alone in July 2016 was 200 posts in one day. Page views is nearing 90,000 per month -- not a mean feat and not possible if people did not care about LCHF. These things belie your claims that there are only 3 posts since 2014. I am not surprised. Some people have been trying to run down LCHF since Jan 2013 based on LIES, but haven't succeeded and nor will they succeed ever.

    Compare that to 50000 members and just 9000 thread in 48 months. 9000 should have been 100,000 at least for 50,000+ members :)

    BTW, not clear what "Private Website" means. A forum offering free service is a community website and not a private website.

    A renowned Indian magazine -- RP Goenka Group -- cared and interviewed me:

    openthemagazine.com/article...

    Not sure how many of you guys and gals got interviewed for your recommendations or recommendations for that cow urine, self urine therapy?. NONE I guess.

  • There are 3 posts every minute / hour .

    Not 3 posts in 2016. I wonder how such wrong stats are generated..?

  • Well, numbers are there for everyone to see.

    Top 5 posters for today itself had 85 posts as of now. So wonder from where he got 3 posts since 2014 data :)

    81 members and guests online as I write. In addition, 10 search engine bots crawling the site as I write. Even this data is available online in real time for all to see. Just for 3 posts as he claims, 10 search engine bots won't be crawling the site :)

  • ok, pass on the hard data please.

  • Ok, u do the job of cut and paste of articles. Looks like u have full time job here.

  • Raoji, it is very pertinent to point out that attacking various systems of medicine is an insult to millions of its followers. They are all time tested systems and their efficacy is beyond any reproach. Only an ignorant and lmmature will make a mockery of those systems.

  • And it's the only the so called "ignorant & immature" who attain better numbers on far less drugs by dumping the so called "time tested" stuff which failed them. Every 0.42 seconds there's a heart attack happening in America on the "time tested" stuff and diabetes is now a $800 billion industry with diabetes growing by four folds in last 35 years of "time tested" stuff.

    Diabetes reversal starts with ignoring the (time tested) guidelines:

  • Just give us the data. I don't know how many times I have to say it, unless you have hard data, then what you are offering is anecdote, opinion and prejudice. It's not an insult to challenge institutionalised or cultural paradigms as the attraction of people just wanting a simple solution to a complex problem is a worldwide phenomenon, and extremely damaging.

    I can assure you I am neither ignorant and immature. And mockery is just one tool I use to shake the truly ignorant and immature out of their complacency.

  • well said Pollard, these are true Problematic guys for you.

  • Respect others. You will gain respect only if you give it to others. You are nobody to ask any hard data here on this forum about Ayurveda in the same way as we do not ask for any Western Medical system. We have enough evidences of efficacy of our ancient Ayurvedic Medicinal system because we use it and we believe in it. If you do not believe in it...it's ok....Just follow LCHF diet and you will be relieved of your problem of managing blood sugar numbers forever...right? Food is medicine itself as such, but once any disease happens, herbs helps us controlling it by stopping the progression of any disease. Ayurveda is nothing but a science of herbs which cures imbalance of dosha in our body. Read a book "PERFECT HEALTH" by Deepak Chopra to begin with to know basic principles of Ayurveda. Have an open mind and just read it for once. You will start believing in it for sure.

    Learn to tolerate other cultures and don't tell it a non-sense just because you do not believe in it. See below link to judge your own culture and our Indian culture for a change.

    quora.com/What-are-some-thi...

    Right cure ?

  • Diet is the first thing is basic principle of Ayurveda

    If some one tries to be in his own shell and not respectful to other cultures....is simply not acceptable....

    Further,entering in Indian forum and making fun of Indian culture...is mischievous

  • EGO = Eject God Out

    Was this also from Deepak Chopra?

    How many of us have Ejected God Out?

  • What has EGO to do with AYURVEDA or RESPECTING INDIAN CULTURE?

    By the way, GOD is within yourself. God is nothing but intense positive force guiding you to your destination.

  • By the way, GOD is within yourself.

    That's why I asked:

    How many of us have Ejected God Out?

  • I didn't understand what you mean to say

  • Negative forces are more intense and darker than positive forces but nobody can deny the fact that only positive force wins in the end.

  • One of the unique understandings in Hinduism is that God is not far away, living in a remote heaven, but is inside each and every soul, in the heart and consciousness, waiting to be discovered. This knowing that God is always with us gives us hope and courage. Knowing the One Great God in this intimate and experiential way is the goal of Hindu spirituality.

    Truth for the Hindu has many names, but that does not make for many truths. Hinduism gives us the freedom to approach God in our own way, encouraging a multiplicity of paths, not asking for conformity to just one.

  • And, EGO == Eject God Out.

  • You seems u r more intelligent.

  • Hello, Pal, what are you writing "Elephant in the Room guys" what does this mean, explain as an administrator. I need to study this new Phrase. Becuz, i see no animals here.

  • Metaphorical Idiom: "Elephant in the Room guys"

    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eleph...

  • LCHF diet is not at all meant for Diabetics. Its meant for Obese in Europe and essentially suitable for European Nations.

  • might as well check up jenny ruhl's website.

    diabetics around the globe are living by lchf diet.

  • MikePollard

    it is really sad to note that in spite of your so many posts in Indian forum...and after coming across many principles of Ayurveda discussed in forum...your knowledge about Ayurveda is just restricted to cow urine....

    I request you to plz read more and gain some more knowledge on the subject before passing some sarcastic comments..

    Hope some day you will come out of your ignorance.

  • Provide me the rock solid, EVIDENCE and I will certainly consider it.

    Remember:

    Science doesn't care what you BELIEVE!

  • well request you read more and hope gain some more information on subject ur talking...

    Internet is full of information.....

    May God give you strength and courage to read more...

  • Cure, There are so many so called 'alternative' therapies out there, all with their utterly convinced proponents. I have no interest whatsoever in something because somebody BELIEVES the efficacy. Here's a list from your own country. Are you going to research them?

    altmedworld.net/alternative...

    This is by no means an exhaustive list, but I'm afraid the onus isn't on me to convince myself, it's for you to provide the evidence

    Your focus on Ayurveda is a cultural thing. This is not to be pejorative, any more someone believing in acupuncture would be more likely to be Chinese. There maybe something in some old remedy, as for example the salicylic acid from willow tree bark that lead to the synthesis of aspirin.

    Even if you do believe in Ayurvedic efficacy there are very real and present dangers - number one you will find massively different opinions within practitioners as to dosage and use. And then there's this:

    'Safety concerns have been raised about Ayurveda, with two U.S. studies finding about 20 percent of Ayurvedic Indian-manufactured patent medicines contained toxic levels of heavy metals such as lead, mercury and arsenic. Other concerns include the use of herbs containing toxic compounds and the lack of quality control in Ayurvedic facilities. Incidents of heavy metal poisoning have been attributed to the use of these compounds in the United States'.

    If you go for one Ayurvedic treatment, then surely you believe in all or at least most of the treatments, if not, why not? You mention cow urine. What would you use it for, what dosage, for how long go and where would you get it - is one cow source better than another?

    In this cure we shall have to agree to disagree I think.

  • You mention cow urine. What would you use it for, what dosage, for how long go and where would you get it - is one cow source better than another?

    Dear MikePollard read read and read may be you are reading but seems there is some problem about your ability to comprehend the subject ...no where in ayurveda cow urine is mentioned as cure....

    It will be noteworthy that many other sacred scriptures mention use of Auto urine...(if you wish I can quote from the scripture)

    May I say auto urine therapy is more cultural thing in west??? as it is mentioned in some sacred script??

    Rather just do quick search on wikipedia and u will find auto urine therapy was started in UK...and gained immense popularity in UK.

    'Safety concerns have been raised about Ayurveda, with two U.S. studies finding about 20 percent of Ayurvedic Indian-manufactured patent medicines contained toxic levels of heavy metals such as lead, mercury and arsenic. Other concerns include the use of herbs containing toxic compounds and the lack of quality control in Ayurvedic facilities. Incidents of heavy metal poisoning have been attributed to the use of these compounds in the United States'

    Dear Mike which reports are you talking about??? the same reports and same funded research paper which you always discard???

    Mike don't tell me those bias reports.

    And mike I have about 125 posts in last 7/8 months....mostly on herbs used in Ayurveda....

    I am ready to discuss any post with you.... Almost in each and every post I have given the scientific study done by some impartial agency..some university....

    Guess I will trust more with qualified researchers...than comment of some immature racist mocker with prejudice mind

  • ब्रह्मज्ञानी फिरसे ब्रह्मलीन हो गये .... या फार आत्मशुद्धी के लिये मौन व्रत धारण कर लिये....

    क्या ये आत्मा आत्मक्लेश से शुद्ध हो पायेंगा ??