Need help on which form of vitamin C to take

[MarionP]

I've been looking through my notes that specify avoiding ascorbic acid and taking instead ___________. But as you see I'm drawing a blank, so can someone help me fill in that blank? Thanks so much. 🙂

[Rufous2]

Ascorbyl palmitate?

[MarionP in reply to Rufous2]

Not sure about that one, people were pretty insistent which one to use and it didn't sound quite so unfamiliar, your item sounds a little obscure, so it would need a little explanation I think or why you think so. People were pretty sure about why .

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The problem with ascorbic acid specifically is it's synthetic and more like the envelope rather than the letter inside the envelope. And that's all I remember.

[MarionP in reply to Rufous2]

That's a totally new one on me yes I will look at that one

[india245]

words that come to mind in relation to vitamin C are ‘buffered’ or ‘Wholefood’ or ‘liposomal’

[MarionP in reply to india245]

Liposomal is a word I recognize, it might just have been that.

[JJAJJ]

One medium orange provides 60 - 83 milligrams of Vitamin C . Recommended daily intake 65 90 milligrams x

[crewmanwhite in reply to JJAJJ]

One medium orange from most shops contains about 5 mg by the time we eat it. We need at least 6000 mg daily.

[DogsWoode in reply to crewmanwhite]

We with PD need min 6000 mg daily? Am I reading this right? What Vit C do you take, tx?

[crewmanwhite in reply to DogsWoode]

Our ancestors, hunter/gatherers, were able to consume between 20,000 mg and 50,000 mg of vitamin C (ascorbic acid) from their food each day.

I great diet in the western world yields between 150 and 200 mg daily.

Sub-clinical scurvy is rife in our society and many chronic symptoms like headaches, fatigue, joint pain, skin challenges, constipation, etc are the result of ascorbusis (scurvy) while many chronic diseases (hearty, cancer, neuro disorders) and worse and hard to reverse because we lack C.

Ideally, we would eat or supplement at least 6000 mg while we are well and more (to "bowel tolerance") when health challenged.

I take a complex vitamin C supplement with 4 ascorbates plus bioflavanoids, but can only mange 6 grams daily because of my history of stage 3 bowel cancer many years ago (lost my sigmoid colon). My wife takes up to 25,000 mg daily depending on need.

[MarionP in reply to crewmanwhite]

25,000 mg. .

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Not a typo?

[crewmanwhite in reply to MarionP]

not a typo

[DogsWoode in reply to crewmanwhite]

Thank you for responding. I'm so surprised by this important information. Is there a specific brand you and your wife use? Your wife then commonly takes 6000 but goes as high as 25000 when unwell? I'm ready to give this a go as experience all those things you mentioned (except constipation for now). I've not supplemented with C except when sick. No concern re o/d? How to know if taking too much? Man. Why the hell don't the powers that be tell us this important easy health sustaining information??Tx crewmanwhite. Scary about that bowel cancer and sorry you had to go through that,

[crewmanwhite in reply to DogsWoode]

Brands depend on where you are. In Australia, we use Biomedica C-Max or Orthoplex Ultra Buffered C. I have lists of supplements in UK and USA that I send to my patients at need.

The measure of sufficiency is "bowel tolerance" except when we have specific injury such as my bowel surgery. Bowel tolerance is when you start to produce too much gas or stools become too soft. Just reduce doses a little and stick there. We can't overdose as our body will reject what it can't use.

It is best to start on a low dose and slowly increase as we are not used to healthy intakes.

Vitamin C makes very little profit and, if everyone drank enough water and supplemented with sensible doses of C, our drug bill would be cut in half and Big Pharma doesn't want that.

It took a year to get my bowel cancer diagnosed than they wanted to pump me full of chemo. I had surgery then used Salvestrols, vitamin C and great food to get well. Still in full remission nine years down the track

[DogsWoode in reply to crewmanwhite]

That just makes me spitting mad.

I live in Canada. Will see what I can find similar to your suggestions.

I really appreciate your post. And how great that you've made yourself healthy.

Do you feel it has affected the PD positively too? I know that can be tough to gauge.

[crewmanwhite in reply to DogsWoode]

I rarely have any PD symptoms these days - just a mild head or hand tremor very occasionally if I let myself get too tired. It is now nearly 30 years since I was diagnosed and had stage 4 symptoms (and a very high UPDRS score).

Of course, there were many strategies I used to get well and still maintain a desirable lifestyle, and high-dose vitamin C has always been part of that.

You can find my story on Amazon for about $5 - called "Shaky Past" by John Coleman.

[DogsWoode in reply to crewmanwhite]

What a wonderful thing! You sound very disciplined John. I look forward to reading that, learning more. I don't know if I share that same discipline though. I was kind of hoping to reduce discipline and responsibility and expectations in retirement. After a full working life. Bloody hell. 😊

[crewmanwhite in reply to DogsWoode]

If you want to read about causes and recovery strategies, look for "Rethinking Parkinson's Disease" on Amazon

Here is a graphical representation of the underlying causes of Parkinson's disease.

[DogsWoode in reply to crewmanwhite]

Yikes! Even herpes simplex!! Will check it out, thank you.

[JayPwP]

Calcium Ascorbate??

[MarionP in reply to JayPwP]

Yeah I saw it but I didn't really recognize it, but I'm researching everything at this point thanks

[crewmanwhite in reply to JayPwP]

Mixed ascorbates are better to avoid mineral imbalance.

[MarionP in reply to crewmanwhite]

Okay. We have a winner.

[crewmanwhite]

It is best to take the buffered forms of vitamin C - a mix of sodium ascorbate, calcium ascorbate, magnesium ascorbate (sometimes others) plus bioflavanoids.

The ascorbates allow you to take higher doses, are better absorbed and prevent esophageal burning.

While it is tempting to take the so-called natural forms (i.e. extracted from plants), the doses are usually very low and you need to take lots of tablets.

The powdered forms of buffered C are often best.

If you have problems with those try the liposomal forms.

[MarionP in reply to crewmanwhite]

Right, I think the liposomal may just be the way

[JayPwP in reply to crewmanwhite]

The buffered C, mix at equal ratio?

[crewmanwhite in reply to JayPwP]

The ratios will vary according to the manufacturer. Most will include some ascorbic acid plus 2-4 ascorbates plus 1-3 bioflavanoids.

[JayPwP in reply to crewmanwhite]

Thanks John,

I wasn't aware it comes pre-mixed.

[MarionP in reply to crewmanwhite]

Looking at Solaray buffered vitamin c product, it does not mention multiple ascorbates but seems to be a little more complete than many brands, what do you think of that? Or do you have a particular brand that you might be thinking of that fits better?

[MarionP in reply to MarionP]

Brands in USA I guess I should specify, you mentioned occasionally referring your patients to US brands.

[crewmanwhite in reply to MarionP]

It depends on where you are. I have recommendations for Australia, USA and UK.

If you contact me via my website returntostillness.com.au I can send you lists.

[PHILCAM]

What about Acerola powder?

Acerola, also known as the Barbados cherry, is a fruit rich in vitamin C and other antioxidants. While there isn't extensive research specifically linking acerola to Parkinson's disease (PD), its high vitamin C content and antioxidant properties can be beneficial for overall health, including potentially supporting brain health

[MarionP in reply to PHILCAM]

Interesting I will check it

[india245]

I was just searching for something completely unrelated, and came across a product by a company called PaleoValley – it’s called essential C complex. It might be of interest to you. 😊

[MarionP in reply to india245]

Ty I'll look into it

[DogsWoode]

Marion, a lot of great info here and I know you are following up. You've started an important discussion. Can you please share what you decide once you complete your review? I'm gobsmacked at the dosages!

[MarionP]

Okay, but really everybody's situation is individually different and you sort of have to apply for what's your own. What I'm trying to do is provide enough background information to help reduce the likelihood of various cancers since my family have been prone to them, while maximizing effectiveness. I'm going to study how it may help with Parkinson's of course... Antioxidants are the way to go for anti-aging and anything having to do with theeats from our own immune system, which is where a lot of antioxidants come into play. It's going to be involving several forms of vitamin c and phytonutrients which is why I labeled the guy who recommended that with the high doses, although for me I'm thinking less about the high doses, probably in the 500 to 1,000 mg area. But going to research those hi doses too just to see about the benefits and trade-offs.

[DogsWoode in reply to MarionP]

Okay, understood. Queries related less to PD and driven by familial cancer. And yes, understood, vastly individual treatments as per symptoms and genetics. Great you have the motivation and impetus to do that research Marion. To be honest, I find it all a little overwhelming. So much for easing into the sunset years. 🙃

[barrie1757]

Have been taking ascorbic acid and do well with it.