Best Diet for Humans

[JayPwP]

This may have been posted earlier, but I have been wanting to post this for a long time.

Is it Vegan? Carnivore? Omnivore? Any other mixes?

Please listen...

youtu.be/0z03xkwFbw4?si=SHy...(Not working as expected?)

[Bolt_Upright]

Here is a more recent video from the same guy: The Biggest Lies You've Been Told About Dieting, Nutrition & Gut Health | Prof Eran Segal 2023 youtube.com/watch?v=PEDyGFH...(Not working as expected?)

[JayPwP in reply to Bolt_Upright]

Thank you Bolt

[crewmanwhite]

Have a think about what our ancestors ate 40,000 years ago in pristine circumstances.

That's what we should aim at.

They lived over 80 years with no chronic disease.

[Boscoejean in reply to crewmanwhite]

it seems like there might be variation in this based on where the ancestors lived and was this diet related to what was available or is it mostly that they had better health because they were eating food that was fresh, not GMO, not watered with water that might have toxins in it, not treated with pesticides or herbicides, etc etc etc

[crewmanwhite in reply to Boscoejean]

Fresh, seasonal food from unpolluted areas is key.

[Esperanto in reply to crewmanwhite]

Approximately 40,000 years ago, during the Paleolithic period (the Stone Age), the life expectancy of our ancestors was likely not 80 years. Estimates suggest that the average life expectancy was somewhere between 30 and 40 years, and they didn't even live long enough to experience chronic diseases for that reason alone. 😅

You probably wouldn't want to trade places with these ancestors in terms of health (and diet). The remains of Ötzi, who lived 5,200 years ago, were those of a wiry and small (1.57 meters) man, approximately 46 years old at the time of his death. The Iceman had blood type O, was lactose intolerant, and had a rare genetic condition that prevented the development of his twelfth pair of ribs. He suffered from tooth decay, had parasites in his intestines, had Lyme disease, and experienced back pain, as well as worn-out knees, hips, and shoulders. His 61 tattoos corresponded to the areas of his body where his bones and joints showed signs of wear (and to modern acupuncture points). Earlier in his life, Ötzi had multiple broken ribs and a broken nose, while horizontal grooves in his fingernails indicated that he had been regularly exposed to periods of physical deprivation in the months leading up to his death, likely due to malnutrition. He had a genetic predisposition to arteriosclerosis, and a CT scan revealed that Ötzi is the oldest known example of someone with cardiovascular disease in the world so far….

[crewmanwhite in reply to Esperanto]

Otzu is not relevant at 5200 years ago.

Paleo people often died at birth. We do a great job at keeping babies alive.

However, that high infant mortality rate distorts the life span average.

If we assume that only 10% of babies die, then the average life span is over 80 - better than today.

Ideally, we would retain medal advances for infants without all the crap food and 100+ injections, but offer the great food and activity to retain a healthier life.

[Esperanto in reply to crewmanwhite]

The differences in diet between Ötzi and his ancestors in the Stone Age will have been smaller than with his current offspring, so studying his poor condition including his cardiovascular problems seems very relevant to me.

Furthermore, there is a mistake in your calculation. Even with 15% child mortality, people at the time became probably about the same age as Ötzi. I completely agree with you that the current lifestyle of most people is not so good, but still I, and you probably too, would not have liked to trade with Ötzi.

It seems much more interesting to me to watch Eran Segal's video and possibly respond to it first. Maybe you were already aware of his findings, but for me an eye-opener that can put an end to the discussion about the ''best diet'' once and for all, because it doesn't seem to exist.

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[Eryl]

There are reports of people going full carnivore for a period to help to clear autoimmune diseases , but long term there are nutrients in vegetables which are essential (e.g. iodine or fermented foods) that an omnivore diet is the best long term. The first thing you need to change about your diet is to cut out processed food high in refined carbohydrates, refined seed oils and artificial preservatives (if a preservative inhibits the growth of fungus and bacteria it's likely to also interfere with cellular function). youtu.be/CWD-QvnKWqk?si=YCK...(Not working as expected?)

[Boscoejean]

"Dr. Segal's team put CGM's on 1,000 healthy people and studied glucose responses to 50,000 meals, supplying him with a unique dataset to evaluate variations between people after eating the same meal. "We saw a lot of surprises. Foods that you would expect to cause huge glucose spikes didn't occur in some people, and vice versa. At times, foods that are considered healthy spiked some glucose levels and eventually caused participants to gain weight." "

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[busters_dad in reply to Boscoejean]

Thank you for posting something that actually brings science into the discussion. The one-size-fits-all diet is such complete nonsense and doing more harm than good. I have been trying to get a friend who has type II diabetes to get a constant glucose monitor so he can see what actually spikes his blood sugar.

[pdpatient in reply to busters_dad]

busters_dad Exactly the best way to go. I use a CGM and it is amazing. Dexcomm is the better one

[kaypeeoh]

Otzi suffered from modern man's diseases but he was killed by a stone-tipped arrow.

[Gymsack]

Validation at last.

I am heading for the do-nut shop for a coffee and an apple turnover , then I might stop at the corner store on the way back home and get a chocolate bar. My kind of food.

[bassofspades]

great presentation!

[LAJ12345]

What I would like to know and maybe the second longer video covers it. I will watch it later.

If you put everyone on the best diet for them for an extended period, say a few months, so the the bad bacteria die off, then give them a week back on their bad diet would their bad response then be the same as it was before the period on the good diet?

A couple of years ago I decided to go dairy free for a while and after 3 weeks one day I had the biggest BM of my life and my stomach actually looked hollow! I lost a few kg of weight too over the 3 weeks. Usually my stomach it is slightly rounded. I think I must have wiped out my entire milk loving gut bacteria.

I m not sure whether it had any long term effect but that weight stayed off. I still eat small amounts of dairy. I worried it might affect my ability to digest it but it didn’t seem to cause a problem.