Confronting Dr. Gundry On Lectins | Inflammation & Leaky Gut.

[MBAnderson]

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I, hereby, pronounce him a screwball, i.e., a health guru who makes millions being a contrarian.

The woman, Dr. Danielle Belardo, is very sharp.

[Bolt_Upright]

I am adding to my comment: I hope everybody watches this video all the way through and pays close attention. I thought it was great!

Some points:

- Yes, Gundry is over the top. He also shows to be super knowledgeable.

- The experts (who were very nice) seemed to on the one hand admit they do not have the answers while at the same time said it was dangerous for Gundry to offer his ideas on solutions. The experts also seemed to have a real problem grasping the nuance of the things Gundry was saying, and also were adamant that since simple fold will misunderstand Gundry's message, he should stop spreading his message.

- Gundry is a big fan of Nicotinic Acid (which I take) and he says he was successfully treating people with fecal transplants way back in medical school.

- I can add black beans back to my diet if I pressure cook them (I had heard that recently but it was nice to hear Gundry say it).

- There was a lot of discussion about fruit and fruit juices and fruit smoothies and I though Gundry just wiped the floor with the experts on this topic.

- I don't follow everything Gundry says to do (he is down on meat), but I will be buying his new book.

My Original Comment: Thanks Marc. He seems very confident Coincidentally, I started eating sour dough bread. It is so good.

[gaga1958 in reply to Bolt_Upright]

is it gluten free sourdough?

have you tried any fermented/pickled veggies other than pickles?

[Bolt_Upright in reply to gaga1958]

It is not gluten free. It is fermented. I am in uncharted territory.

I have Kimchi and Sauerkraut once in a while.

[TL500 in reply to Bolt_Upright]

So can sourdough undo the gluten effect?

[Bear1927 in reply to TL500]

long storry short - it will not undo it, but it will be less "harmfull". French cousine is a best sample of neutralasing effects of lectinIf you really like bread and don't want or can not switch to alternative flour, try usin Eincorn flour.

[TL500 in reply to Bear1927]

Thanks

[Reetpetitio in reply to Bolt_Upright]

May I ask what pressure cooking does to them? I avoid beans as they wreak havoc to my gut!

[Bolt_Upright in reply to Reetpetitio]

Apparently pressure cooking beans inactivates either all or most of the lectins in beans. Here is a good article: healwithfood.org/articles/p...

They say pressure cooking does not destroy lectins in everything, but pressure cooking does inactivate lectins in beans.

I can't vouch for the science, but I did by a stove top pressure cooker that will pressure cook at high pressure (15 PSI). I got the set a few days ago and have used them twice now!

This is what I got: Magefesa® Practika Plus Super Fast pressure cooker, 4.2 and 6.3 Quart, 18/10 stainless steel, suitable induction, excellent heat distribution, encapsulated heat diffuser bottom, 5 safety systems amazon.com/dp/B0018AGOR4?re...

Cooked roast (I browned it in the pot then pressure cooked on high setting [low heat. Ask me anything about pressure cookers now] for 20 minutes a pound, then let it slow release). Then I cooked black beans for 25 minutes on high. I think the charts for beans say about 8 minutes, but I am not messing around. They were great!

[Reetpetitio in reply to Bolt_Upright]

That's great to know! Are you someone who had difficulty digesting beans before, and is that resoved by the pressure cooking? e.g. is this translating into a palpable felt difference for you? that would encourage me to experiment! We do have a pressure cooker but it's the old fashioned type and I'm quite scared of it! My housemate does know how to use it though. Although he's told me not to use it as my ADHD is quite strong and I burn pots most days!

[Bolt_Upright in reply to Reetpetitio]

I've had digestive issues and bloating most of my life. Frequent bloating and took forever to evacuate. I actually fixed that a few years ago by going gluten free. Then I started seeing things about Lectins and PD and went Lectin free.

In the last 10 days I added sourdough bread to my diet even though it has Gluten and Lectins. It has less lectins than other bread because it is fermented. I don't think science is on my side in this, but I really like it and I have a feeling fermented bread might be safe.

I am only a couple of days into pressure cooked beans. Dr Gundry says they are okay in moderate amounts but I made too much and am loving them. We will see how it goes.

I know one thing: I love my pressure cooker. I can cook a cheap cut of roast and it is so tender I can cut it with a spoon.

[MBAnderson in reply to Bolt_Upright]

Thanks. I wish I could quit sour dough bread. I doubt the super markets cure it long enough.

[Bolt_Upright in reply to MBAnderson]

I get this Izzio Artisan Bread, San Francisco Style at Meijer:

INGREDIENTS: Wheat Flour, Water, Sourdough Culture (Wheat Flour, Water), Whole Wheat Flour, Sea Salt, Malted Barley Flour, Enzymes. izziobakery.com/our-program...

My wife likes the white chicago-style sourdough boule by BOULANGERIE ACE BAKERY from Meijer. It is probably healthier (but you have to cut it). nutritionvalue.org/White_ch...

[Lizzy9 in reply to Bolt_Upright]

Any time I make hard boiled eggs I use my Instant Pot. I don’t know if a regular pressure cooker works the same or not. The eggs turn out perfect, less of a mess, and super fresh eggs peel MUCH easier!

[Reetpetitio in reply to Bolt_Upright]

From listening to the fascinating - and IMO required listening - Gundry video that MBAnderson posted lower down, 5 things Gundry Changed his Mind about, the crucial thing is that the wheat is glysophate-free.

You inspired me to defrost a spelt sourdough bread I bought for family at Christmas and I feel like an addict back on a much loved drug! Can't stop eating it. Utterly delicious but sadly much too delicious to let myself buy again! I think I need to learn how to bake a healthy but not too delicious loaf of bread.

[Lizzy9 in reply to Reetpetitio]

It’s easy to make and very rewarding. You can do a sourdough search online and find lots of sourdough recipes. Over the holiday I made sourdough cinnamon rolls (? Oxymoron?) and sourdough croissants. Both delicious!! Eventually I am going to try a sourdough pie crust.

[Reetpetitio in reply to Lizzy9]

Sounds yum! I really want to be eating less carbs, not more... It's something to put an egg on, and something to put an avocado on, where I fall down. I buy gluten free bread which is actually ultra processed so far worse than sourdough. But it's not utterly delicious on its own toasted with lots of butter, so is less of a downfall for me!

[chartist]

Marc,

These three professionals can all make good arguments for their specific beliefs, but they can't agree on a resolution for the number one killer of people in the world, CVD. If they, with all of their experience can't agree on a solution for CVD, what good does that do us?

I'll save myself a brain rupture by not trying to judge the full value of their arguments and instead take the following three supplements to put my cholesterol levels in the normal range, significantly lower my triglycerides well into the normal range and raise my HDL well into the normal range while reversing atherosclerosis without prescription medications. I will also accept all of the other health benefits that these three supplements have to offer :

Melatonin

healthunlocked.com/cure-par...

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articl....

Grape Seed Proanthocyanidin Extract

healthunlocked.com/cure-par...

View attached graph.

Nattokinase

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articl...

A pretty simple, doable and understandable regimen that is likely to not only stop atherosclerosis, but reverse it and ultimately almost completely stop CVD sans genetic cardiovascular diseases or defects.

I guess these three could argue about the above, but it is what I take and I described it in less than 10 minutes and included backing studies and oh, I didn't even mention the very good safety profiles of these three supplements! As far as the cardiovascular health guidelines that they often mention and generally follow, how good are these cardiovascular guidelines if CVD is still the number one killer of people in the world???

Art

GSPE alters atherosclerosis trend

[Boscoejean in reply to chartist]

A few months ago a doctor told me about using bergamot to maintain healthy cholesterol levels. This was new news to me.

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articl....

[chartist in reply to Boscoejean]

There are a few that are good for lowering cholesterol such as lecithin, bergamot and fenugreek, but imo, cholesterol is a poor marker for atherosclerosis. Doctors test for cholesterol as though it is an accurate marker for atherosclerosis, but it isn't. Unfortunately insurance will pay for cholesterol testing, but not so much for atherosclerosis testing because it costs 10 to 20 times more than cholesterol testing.

The three supplements I mentioned and use, work to prevent or reverse atherosclerosis. Doctors don't really have anything that reverses atherosclerosis effectively. Statins can slow the progression, but they can also cause side effects such as muscle damage and pain.

Art

[Bear1927 in reply to chartist]

Statins cause PD - fact

[MarionP in reply to Bear1927]

They do? Can you say more about that, I'm curious to know more. Point me in some directions if you could.

[Bear1927 in reply to MarionP]

there is more tha enough of medical research on statins, my wife's uncle was "sold a bad cholosterol story" and began using them - 3 years later - PD and Alz's.

I wonder how people still have the trust in Big Pharma "medical" industry ....

[Bear1927 in reply to MarionP]

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articl....

[chartist in reply to Bear1927]

Another reasonable consideration for substituting the three supplements I mentioned for statins. Plus melatonin has already proven to benefit PwP by reducing oxidative stress levels to healthy control levels, helping mitochondria to maintain their integrity, improving the integrity of the BBB, reducing neurodegeneration, significantly reducing the risk for CVD which PwP are at increased risk for and much more. GSPE is also a potent antioxidant that has shown multiple potential health benefits in studies including reducing atherosclerotic plaques.

Art

[Rufous2 in reply to chartist]

Art, not PD related but thought you might enjoy this interview; google.com/search?q=peter+a...

[chartist in reply to Rufous2]

I couldn't get the link to work.

Art

[Rufous2 in reply to chartist]

Hmm, let's see if this works 😊 peterattiamd.com/allansnide...

[chartist in reply to Rufous2]

What point are you highlighting about this article?

Art

[Rufous2 in reply to chartist]

None in particular, just thought this researcher's take on cholesterol testing might be of interest to you.

[Reetpetitio in reply to chartist]

Hi Art, I'd like to share this recommendation with family. I have a memory that someone on here is actually a medical doctor; is that you by any chance?

[chartist in reply to Reetpetitio]

No, it is not me.

Art

[Ashti]

NutritionFacts.org also did a three part video debunking the Plant Paradox by looking at the research Gundry refers to:

nutritionfacts.org/topics/t...

[MBAnderson in reply to Ashti]

It is not that he doesn't understand it, he just misrepresents the research. Plus, he's a lazy researcher.

[pmmargo]

Gundry came out having done much better than I expected. His speculative approach is not much different than Mischley and other favorite docs on Health Unlocked. He is also good with refunds on his many products.

[MBAnderson in reply to pmmargo]

The difference is he asserts his theories are correct.

He began by trying to claim smoking is good, apples are bad. Really??

I don't see any similarity between him and Mischley.

I thought Dr. Belardo did a number on him.

Beware of health gurus that sell products to cure the illnesses they claim to be the only ones who know the truth about.

[gomelgo in reply to MBAnderson]

Actually, he mentioned several others numerous times. But maybe you weren't listening too closely since you had already written him off?

[MBAnderson in reply to gomelgo]

I've watched the video twice now, so I consider that listening closely. I don't intend to follow any of his theories. If you want to, knock your socks off.

[gomelgo in reply to MBAnderson]

I don't intend to follow his theories. But I also don't think he is necessarily wrong.

[DEAT]

I once bought a face cream he raved about.

Big rip off price wise. Didn't work either.

[gomelgo]

The two younger folks (in my estimation) are stuck in dogma. And there is an arrogance that comes from dogma. Gundry, though I do not necessarily agree with his strategies, is actually pretty humble. I don't think focusing on evidence alone makes sense. Why, because the world is NOT BLACK AND WHITE, the world is very many many shades of gray. Their feigned humility, and judgements are not helpful in general imho. They made up their minds before speaking with him, and that is what people tend to do to iconoclasts. I end up on the shitty end of that equation a lot. He is saying a simple thing, that all illness begins in the gut, and that makes a lot of sense to me. And because these young folks have been indoctrinated with "science is all about proof", they are not seeing the other half of science, that it's about questioning that "proof".

I happen to be vegan, and agree a lot with Belardo. But to me that doesn't mean she is right and Gundry is wrong. It just means they are probably both right on some things and wrong on others.

Another point that comes to me is that we cannot apply a single method to all people. And as "woo woo" as it may seem to people who want empirical everything, I think we need to start recognizing that belief is a way bigger factor than we generally give it credit for. Just my 3 cents.

[MBAnderson in reply to gomelgo]

nutritionfacts.org/video/dr...

But, but, but he sells lectin blockers for few thousand $$/year

[gomelgo in reply to MBAnderson]

Ok, but who doesn't sell something? They all do. And I can believe someone's theories have merit without buying their products, right?

[ParlePark]

agreed

[MBAnderson]

Why Dr. Gundry Changed his Mind on Gut Damaging Foods (and 5 other things)

youtu.be/4nt1-ZoRlag?si=xkh...(Not working as expected?)

[Reetpetitio in reply to MBAnderson]

I appreciate you're not a fan, but this was an amazingly informative video for me! Never heard such a clear explanation of leaky gut. I am inspired to focus on that now. Very interesting about dairy, beef, pork and lamb and the blood brain barrier too! I think we mean something different by 'sausage' here in the UK though - sure they're not fermented.

[MBAnderson in reply to Reetpetitio]

While I'm not a big fan I recognize he makes some good points

[Reetpetitio in reply to MBAnderson]

Some of that science and info was sooo good... And for me another nudge to give up meat, and focus on healing my leaky gut. Thank you again for posting it

[kaypeeoh]

I like that he says an apple is as toxic as a Twinkie so eat the Twinkie.

[Esperanto]

Fact checker:  

A serving of 2 cakes of Hostess Original Twinkies (=77 g) contains 9 g of fat, 32 g of sugar, 0 g fiber and 280 calories (+ 1mg Iron)

A serving of the same weight of apple (77 g) contain 0,15 g of fat, 8 g of sugar, 1,8 g of fiber and 39 calories. (+ Calcium 10 mg, 0,2 mg Iron, 159mg Potassium, 5 mcg Vitamin A, 5 mg Vitamin C)

He seems to be a proponent of apples, but according to him, you should only eat them during the harvest season. He believes the current varieties are not good in size and lack vitamin C. That's why he suggests eating Twinkies instead. Very convincing! 😂

The problem with doctors like Gundry is that they make some bizarre and indefensible statements, probably to boost sales of their books. They get attention, but unfortunately, it makes the rest of their sometimes interesting theories lose credibility.

[MBAnderson in reply to Esperanto]

Good one.

[MBAnderson]

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