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My COFFEE is bad for my brain??? YES, says this M.D. and more.....

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PDWarrior1900

here's a link to this doctor's complete interview:

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youtu.be/oMwAN30FJAQ

MarionP profile image
MarionP in reply toPDWarrior1900

Seems to me just about every expert I know about says coffee is very good for your brain.

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PDWarrior1900 in reply toMarionP

that's what I thought too!

Did you watch the first video? It's only 10 minutes long

This doc has BIG-TIME credentials ...

I've already given up:

1) glutten

2) overly-processed (packaged) food

3) sugar

4) I'm on the O.M.A.D. diet (one meal a day) -- Today is day #475!

is 'coffee' next?

I have to do more research...

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Dagwoods in reply toPDWarrior1900

I'm with you. I've pretty much given up all the. Fun things in life. Now coffee!!!!???

House2 profile image
House2 in reply toMarionP

Drink your coffee, MP.

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/350...

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MarionP in reply toHouse2

Yippee!

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House2 in reply toMarionP

Don't forget the chocolate.

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/355...

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kaypeeoh

So caffeine constricts blood flow by 30%. BUT BUT BUT...think of it like it's a plumbing problem. If flow is restricted 30% then pressure is increased 30%. (Boyle's law.) The increased pressure forces oxygen deeper into the tissues. I hate that I need coffee to survive. In the past I'd wean myself off of caffeine. Each attempt meant a solid week of tiredness and a miserable headache that no medication could stop. And neuros all have said that caffeine helps the brain to function better. They're so sure of it that coffee is one of the few chemicals that can be recommended. In the past I ran 100 mile ultras, Being off coffee meant at midnight or later I'd get so tired that I wanted to quit. But if I drank coffee I'd be awake enough to continue racing. Being off coffee meant as runners got ready to start the run many were sucking on coffee or Mountain Dew. Then during the race some runners would make mad dashes to a porta-potty or perhaps just a tall bush. Being caffeine-free meant I didn't lose time looking for that tall bush. A friend ran the Boston Marathon. At the start there were runners at all the porta-pottys. He and several friends would form a circle so they could pee without embarrassment.

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PDWarrior1900 in reply tokaypeeoh

well Dr Kaypeeoh -- I don't know about your first couple of sentences... do you have a research link on that one?

cause the 'real doc' in the video is a highly acclaimed brain guy

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kaypeeoh in reply toPDWarrior1900

That's the problem. There's always someone with a differing opinion. I wonder if they say it for greater attention. Dr Mercola comes to mind.

MarionP profile image
MarionP in reply tokaypeeoh

Coffee is not just caffeine. And I think the discussion was about coffee, when did it get narrowed down to simply caffeine?

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kaypeeoh in reply toMarionP

I think coffee and caffeine are synonymous. Most everyone knows coffee, tea, coke and Mountain Dew are high-caffeine liquids, Coffee may have other effects from other chemicals in the mix. One example: Runners often use diet coke because they want the caffeine but not the sugar-calories.

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MarionP in reply tokaypeeoh

Actually I was not expressing an opinion. I was sotto voce suggesting where informed-minded people who are willing to get more informed can start looking, they will find confirmation of what I just said my little short declarative sentence... Let me clarify: coffee (with the very important exception of decaffeinated coffee) is way way better for you in a fair number of well-demonstrated ways than caffeine is for you. I was being stupidly too polite, something I learned from my Southern colleagues during my formative years and have regretted ever since... Fortunately with great effort I have for the most part overcome the habit, except when I'm a little tired (usually cured by a cup of coffee).

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PDWarrior1900

i agree 100% (and I'm wishy-washy on Mercola...)

seems like i spend HALF my waking hours watching/ listening/ skimming 'health videos' ...

there are very, very few "universally agreed upon" health positions ....

(don't smoke; don't eat late at night before bed; exercise regularly; etc)

so i make it a point to watch as many health docs as i can to get different views...

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Here's a "not a complete list" of some my YouTube docs that are my 'TOP DOCS'

1. Dr Mark Hyman, M.D. - my favorite -- a functional medicine doctor extraordinaire!

2. Dr. Peter Attia, M.D.

3. Dr. Pradip Jamnadas, M.D. -- superb!

4. Andrew Huberman's channel -- Phd, Stanford

5. Dr Eric Berg (has become an excellent salesman of his vitamins, but I can live with that since his info is normally very solid)

6. Dr Rhonda Patrick, Phd

7. Bob & Brad (physical therapists)

8. Dr. David Perlmutter, M.D.

9. Dhru Purohit - not a doctor, he has a channel and he interviews doctors and other health professionals

10. Dr Brad Stanfield, M.D. (short, interesting videos)

11. Dr. Josh Axe -- not an M.D. ... DC and doctor of natural medicine whatever the hell that is ... but he is excellent

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reedboat2

here’s a little sports video that goes into a bit more detail than Dr Damon who just keeps repeating “it’s a drug”

youtube.com/watch?v=9V2rxSF...

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PDWarrior1900 in reply toreedboat2

i just clicked on this ...

1. the narrator has ZERO credentials (like most of the "health videos" on YouTube.

So right from the start... i'm very skeptical ... I'm an "evidence-based" kind of guy

2. Whatever "coffee" may or may not do for "exercise and athletic performance" ...

from what i've watched so far ... this narrator has drawn no connection to "coffee" and "PD" or any other neuro affliction ...

remember ... when doing research you need to give "apples to apples" examples, IMHO

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MarionP in reply toPDWarrior1900

Speaking of apples to apples, two of those people listed before are chiropractors (Berg is a chiropractor and I don't know what manipulating your body and inducing strokes from violent neck manipulations has to do with medicine or health).

Second, I don't know what somebody else means by excellent unless the terms are actually defined with actual measurable criteria. "I like him," or "he makes a nice pitch," or He's just excellent" means little except to be accordingly skeptical of the source.

Last, sorry, if you want to have a good laugh and illustrate the principle that just anybody with an MD is trustworthy, chicken to the history of the current surgeon general of the state of Florida... Just one single example of many we could easily produce. Pop some popcorn and get ready for a lot of laughs.

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PDWarrior1900 in reply toMarionP

hi Marion

my guess is you have never really 'watched' any of the YouTube channels I mentioned above....

Start with Dr. Mark Hyman ..... then tell me if I'm "full of it"

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PDWarrior1900 in reply toMarionP

p.s. did you know that some of the GREATEST ADVANCEMENTS in "medicine" came from ... "non" medical people or by "pure accident"?

So don't "underestimate" those folks ...

For example:

MEDICAL IMAGING (1895)

The first medical imaging machines were X-rays. The X-ray, a form of electromagnetic radiation, was ‘accidentally’ invented in 1895 by German physicist Wilhelm Conrad Rӧntgen when experimenting with electrical currents through glass cathode-ray tubes.

ANTIBIOTICS (1928)

Alexander Fleming’s penicillin, the world’s first antibiotic, completely revolutionised the war against deadly bacteria. Famously, the Scottish biologist accidentally discovered the anti-bacterial ‘mould’ in a petri dish in 1928.

Here's more:

Accidental Discoveries

Quinine. The story behind the chance discovery of the anti-malarial drug quinine may be more legend than fact, but it is nevertheless a story worthy of note. ...

Smallpox vaccination. ...

Allergy. ...

Insulin. ...

Pap smear. ...

google.com/search?q=acciden...

proclinical.com/blogs/2021-...

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MarionP in reply toPDWarrior1900

I've often mentioned the difference between clinical and science (for which we commonly and sloppily sometimes referred to as "research") training... it's a big one. The skills and preparation are very different. True they get a boat load of science study and traing as undergraduates, and this is very good and very good experience too, it's not nearly enough to become a specialty on its own at all.

Ask any physician and that physician will tell you, and be forced to in order speak the truth (I've never met one who minded mentioning this either), that the standard training in medical school and for the practice of medicine is nearly entirely devoted to the clinical application, not research. In fact, there is scant room for breathing and eating in the process of earning a medical degree all the way out to residency and through it. One does not learn to do research because there is no time unless the person has decided to take himself in an explictly research career, in which case he will not be equipped to do science until he has obtained a PhD.. the MD can be helpful in that regard but does not make for a competent scientist without science training, and that's a PhD not an MD... which takes quite a bit of additional time effort and money or else the person will not get that MD awarded in the first place, in the vast majority of cases.

It's really not their fault that the vast majority of people habitually assume and gravitate toward MD's for an answer to research questions, and being doctors, they do their best to try to answer. But many doctors have told me that a great deal of their training is pure rote and there's barely enough time and energy to do that as it is. That doesn't mean they know the research and that doesn't mean they can do research or properly consume it (competently and effectively filter wheat from chaff and enough from not enough), because neither of those skills is what one trains for unless they don't expect to practice medicine exclusively. Even if they figure they're going to spend their career teaching medicine they still have to pick up the science and investigation skills to some extent or else they will have a little trouble with the academic part of training their students, and as they get older they will also fall further behind the cutting edge. The ones who will branch out and get into research, more and more formally, will have to pick up those skills and work very hard to get them up to snuff and that includes convincing, because they are basically joining, the various related communities of their appropriate peer science specialists.

And don't even get started on thinking about other associated preparation for things like chemistry and engineering medical science fields. The only field that comes remotely close is the borderland of activity referred to as "clinical research," and even that takes quite a bit of preparation because one has to justify the costs and problems involved in creating credible experimentation. It takes a bit to do science properly, the goal is always to add to the accumulated store of actual knowledge.

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reedboat2

You are correct, but unfortunately, in my opinion and experience, most fitness coaches know more about nutrition than most MDs.

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MarionP in reply toreedboat2

You do? I assume you know this for a fact then...well, my experience is largely the opposite of yours, so I can't help wondering just how you know.

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PDWarrior1900 in reply toMarionP

hi Marion

if you watch pretty much any of the health videos on YouTube from any of the respected docs.... They will tell you first hand ... that they've had little or no "nutrition education" in medical school ...

there's no "money" in preventing us from getting sick

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House2 in reply toPDWarrior1900

med.stanford.edu/school/lea....

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PDWarrior1900 in reply toMarionP

p.s. also check out this chiro/ health expert

he only has SEVEN MILLION followers ...

youtu.be/fbrNd5G69vw

MarionP profile image
MarionP in reply toPDWarrior1900

That's a lot of followers.

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reedboat2 in reply toMarionP

Dr Mischley states it plainly in this video. Medical Doctors get about 4 hours training in Nutritional Science in their 4 years of Medical School.

youtu.be/LdpfNnnAzKI

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PDWarrior1900 in reply toreedboat2

tah-dah!

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kaypeeoh in reply toPDWarrior1900

Dr Mischley needs her own You Tube channel. She's convinced me to stop all dairy, which means no milk or whey or eggs OR CHEEZE! But sugar is not a problem assuming one doesn't have diabetes. Re wine e is okay but white wine isn't. What about beer? Obsessing over protein isn't necessary. She gets her daily protein in a smoothie. My problem with smoothies is if I add blueberries it turn into pudding, not liquid. Anything animal-based takes several hours to be digested compared to vegggies.

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PDWarrior1900 in reply tokaypeeoh

this is dr laura's YouTube channel

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youtube.com/results?search_...

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PDWarrior1900

good point!

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House2

Nourianz, my $1000/month next gen PD drug is an adenosine A2a receptor inhibitor. So is coffee/ caffeine.

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/373...

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MarionP in reply toHouse2

Fascinating, I'm going to have to follow that one up, glad you provided it.

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PDWarrior1900 in reply toMarionP

well to add to the "caffeine controversy" ...

(and confirming the video I posted from the interview with the brain specialist doctor...)

I just googled:

"Does coffee restrict blood flow to the brain?"

ANSWER:

"When caffeine is consumed regularly, the body becomes dependent on its effects. And because caffeine narrows the blood vessels that surround the brain, when consumption is stopped, the blood vessels enlarge."

google.com/search?q=does+co...

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House2 in reply toPDWarrior1900

Cerebral blood flow can be maintained in humans in the recumbent position, however, humans unlike most animals walk upright which places the brain above the heart. To maintain cerebral perfusion, elevated blood pressure is required (constriction of the vessels).

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