Why do only humans get PD?

[DeanGreen]

I was wondering why humans get PD and if there are any evolutionary advantages to having PD? Of course one can induce PD in animal models for experimental purposes, but I have not come across any evidence of PD naturally occurring in animals other than human beings.

[Boscoejean]

dogs can get a Parkinson's like disease

Vets Focus On Neurological Disorders In Dogs, Humans

Date:

January 29, 2008

Source:

University of Missouri

Summary:

Parkinson's disease and epilepsy strike millions of people each year. They also affect countless dogs, and veterinarians are working to find ways to treat these and other neurological diseases in both species. Veterinary researchers are investigating the causes and potential treatments for a number of diseases that can be fatal in both humans and animals.

sciencedaily.com/releases/2...

[Xenos in reply to Boscoejean]

That's because PD is mainly a psychological disease, and animals do not have a complex psyche. Dogs copy human psyche, to an extent.

[ddmagee1 in reply to Xenos]

Parkinson’s Disease is officially listed as a neurological disease, in the world of medicine.

[SilentEchoes in reply to Xenos]

"PD is mainly a psychological disease" I have a problem with this line of thinking, it's blaming the person, ie you're the problem. It's like research describing a "parkinson's personality" as though it is a personal failure.

I am living proof that neurodegenerative disease (all of them) is an environmental illness, it's not bad luck or a personal defect. It is caused by poisoning from chemical exposures in our environment.

The limbic system is the part of our brain that is the seat of our personality and it is very sensitive to toxic insults via the nose to brain pathway. Why do you think smell loss is a hallmark of Alzheimer's and Parkinson's disease?

How much thought have you given to the toxic environment in your own home? Cleaners, disinfectants (chlorine & ammonia), deodorizers, air fresheners, surfactants like laundry and dish detergent, fabric softener, personal care products (shampoo & deodorant), aerosols, bug spray and weed killers. If you (mis)use these products you're your own enemy. The air in your own home is often worse than the air outside. Do you drink municipally treated tap water? If you do, you're poisoning yourself. How about the food you eat, are you consuming organic food or commercially processed products full of high fructose corn syrup, transfats, artificial sweeteners, colors, flavors and preservatives; and contaminated by pesticides, principally glyphosate? Gut dysbiosis and concomitant malabsorption & malnutrition is now being investigated as a contributing factor in NDD. Can this be corrected? Absolutely.

What about pharmaceuticals and OTC drugs? Anesthesia? Head injuries? We all collect a lifetime of neurological insults that can lead to neuro-psychological disorders. Is this a personality defect? Not in any way.

Google "cognitive reserve" to inform yourself. Trauma and extreme stress deplete our reserves and triggers neuroinflammation, this by itself does not "cause" parkinson's, it's a lifetime of acquired insults to our nervous system from lifestyle and ambient chemical exposures that eventually leads to a state of dyshomeostasis. By the time you show observable symptoms you are far down the road of disability.

I believe we can heal our brains and recover our health. It's your choice. If you choose to stay in your bubble.... that's a psychological problem in my opinion.

SE

[gomelgo in reply to SilentEchoes]

I think it's all of the above. You make great points, AND some of your points, point to (pun intended) it being a psychological disease. Have you ever read Louise Hay, or Gabor Mate? Every single dis-ease has psychological origins, and indeed there are certain personality traits that lead us down certain roads to certain symptoms. In some ways, this is good news, because it means we can mitigate these issues to some degree. But sadly, the environmental crap everywhere doesn't make for the best healing space.... because it's literally everywhere. PD folks should band together and become a huge activist group traveling the world and telling our stories.

[SilentEchoes in reply to gomelgo]

Too much talk about what PD is and not enough about why it is. I haven't fully told my story yet. I know when I was poisoned, what I was poisoned with and who did it. I am living proof. The neighbors herd of cattle died that day. Armed with these facts it's impossible to defend alternative theories of NDD causation."

One night the Lord spoke to Paul in a vision: "Do not be afraid; keep on speaking, do not be silent."

ACTS 18:9

[gomelgo in reply to SilentEchoes]

I would be very interested in knowing your full story. I too was sprayed by neighbors. So I am sure that was a big contributor. One of my neighbors also gave me COVID in late 2019. And apparently there is a possible connection there too. content.iospress.com/articl...

[Smittybear7 in reply to SilentEchoes]

How are you treating your PD?I agree with what you said. Have you found a detox that is safe to use with PD medication? Thanks for your help.

[DeanGreen in reply to Smittybear7]

I have been taking alpha-Lipoic acid (ALA) for about 14 years and my PD is still manageable. ALA is a potent antioxidant and an iron chelator that can cross the BBB (ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articl....

I cannot say that ALA has any affect on the progression of my PD, but it causes little or no adverse effects, is not expensive, and it makes a good "placebo" since the Mechanism of Action makes sense to me.

[Smittybear7 in reply to DeanGreen]

Thanks, how much do you take?

[DeanGreen in reply to Smittybear7]

I take the time to release 300 mg or 600 mg tablet.

[SilentEchoes in reply to Smittybear7]

Zeolite

[Smittybear7 in reply to SilentEchoes]

What is zeolite?

[SilentEchoes in reply to Smittybear7]

It's for detoxification. Not promoting a particular brand. You want to use clinoptilolite. Search this term on the site. Here's a link for more info.therechargeclinic.com/post/...

Clinoptilolite

[Boscoejean]

A cynomolgus monkey with naturally occurring Parkinson's disease

academic.oup.com/nsr/articl...

[DeanGreen in reply to Boscoejean]

Thanks for your response. The reason I asked the question is because I just read an article stating that "there is no naturally occurring parkinsonism in non-human species: PD is a specific human disease". Reference: Parkinson Disease: An Evolutionary Perspective in Frontiers in Neurology May 2017. I thought it rather odd yet interesting.

[SilentEchoes in reply to DeanGreen]

"there is no naturally occurring parkinsonism in non-human species: PD is a specific human disease"

There is no naturally occurring parkinsonism in people either. It is an environmental illness and I am living proof. Need to change my bio 🙂

SE

[SilentEchoes in reply to Boscoejean]

So the 10 year old (geriatric) monkey hadn't been experimented on but lived in an unnatural high stress environment with 2400 other monkey's and developed "spontaneous" PD. How is this in any form a controlled experiment?? What was the primate being fed, a natural diet or chow? How about dewormers, insecticides and vaccines, all of which negatively affect the immune system. I call BS on this one. SE

[Boscoejean]

so maybe the Parkinson's like symptoms in dogs or monkeys are similar but different?

[SilentEchoes in reply to Boscoejean]

Dogs get ALS too, these are environmental illnesses. Please don't get sidetracked.

[Boscoejean in reply to SilentEchoes]

okay I am not advocating that this research is good

[Gymsack]

There are many things about humans that are unexplainable such as we do not fit into the theory of evolution here on earth. The other species can be explained nicely by evolution but why do humans have a large brain yet only use half of it. There is no benefit to having such a large head, especially during birth. Why do we stand and walk when our body is not ready for it( urinary system) ? We are poorly balanced without a tail and fall easily and this short fall from a standing position can do much harm and can kill us.

We are very strange things exhibiting very little defence mechanism such as claws , saber teeth, hair, thick skin,with not much sense of smell or particularly good vision for such a short time of evolution from the trees. We are designed like prey, rabbits and chickens but prey for what. Our life expectancy is around 70 years while elephants and other animals are living much longer with out illness while we have diseases of old age.

Our natural Circadian Rhythm is not the same as the length of a day or a month and do not physically anticipate the length of a year, breeding any time. We appear not to have existed living under the influence of the earths rotation or the moon cycle very long and we have very little protection against the sun.

[DeanGreen in reply to Gymsack]

Interesting thoughts. Also, are self-awareness (recognizing yourself in the mirror), altruism, tools (technology) and preparing for ones eventual demise also human traits?

[gomelgo in reply to DeanGreen]

Many non human animals recognize themselves in the mirror. My dog does for one. And there is an elephant languishing in the Bronx Zoo named Happy (of all ironies), who was the first non human animal to prove that humans are not alone in being able to recognize ourselves. Though I'd bet most non humans are much more self aware than most humans.

[kaypeeoh]

In the 1800's there was manganese disease which mimicked PD. Also known as welder's disease. Welding uses flux to control the temperature of the welds. Flux contains manganese. For 35 years I welded using flux-core welding wire. Welding wire has the highest concentration of manganese. I have some PD signs but not all of the typical signs; That is no balance problems or slowness.

[DeanGreen in reply to kaypeeoh]

Were you officially diagnosed with PD? Have you been tested for Manganism?

[kaypeeoh in reply to DeanGreen]

Yes and yes. I was Dx'd with PD but blood tests showed no excess manganese. However the manganese caused problems before I quit welding.