Gut bacteria and diet

[pvw2]

Concerning the relationship of gut bacteria to PD, I'm suspicious that less refined foods, such as butter and virgin olive oil over refined vegetable oils, fruits over refined sugars, are better for having good bacteria in the gut. Is there any research related to this topic?

[pvw2]

I guess gut bacterial related to PD is still theoretical.

[Hidden]

It is definitely not just theoretical. Expand your online information search beyond PD to brain degeneration and you will find an abundance of information.

When looking for PD info, we are often being a bit miopic. The diet that benefits the Pd brain will also benefit the ALZ brain and the ALS brain.

All have the same root cause. Mitochondrial dysfunction resulting from inflammation.

Dr. Mark Hyman puts this in layman terms very well.

If you want to know how much diet and the gut effect the brain, learn about Dr. Terry Wahls.

[pvw2 in reply to Hidden]

Diet and exercise helping PD is known, but why it helps PD is theoretical.

[Hidden in reply to pvw2]

No it’s not theoretical. That is the answer given by doctors who do not read the research or do not want to bother to answer. Research BDNF and that will get you started on understanding exercise.

Saying I don’t have the answer so there is not one is not the answer.

There are many books on this. Many. I gave starting points above.

You aren’t going to learn the functioning of the symbiotic relationship between the gut and brain in the comment section. It takes investing in learning. So, the people I named above can be of help. Another Book recommendation, Grain Brain.

The people that do not believe the contents of the book are also people with high inflammation and a faster decline.

And with that, I’m resuming my HU break.

[pvw2 in reply to Hidden]

Show me someone who has been cured of PD.

[Hidden in reply to pvw2]

Are you serious? I did not talk about a cure. There is no cure. It’s a complex autoimmune disorder. “You are suspicious that….refined foods etc”

You asked “is there is research on that?”

I initially ignored your question but hours later you assumed no response is bc there is no answer.

No response bc there is so much info on it that to ask if there is any info is silly.

Dr. Perlmutter, Dr. Mark Hyman, Dr. Dale Bredesen, Dr. Terry Wahls and many more.

Dr. Laurie Mischley is a great starting point bc she starts with the assumption that one knows very little.

[WinnieThePoo in reply to Hidden]

"And with that, I’m resuming my HU break"But not just yet...

[Hidden in reply to WinnieThePoo]

Yes, I find HU frustrating. When I had my previous account, CCLemonade, I remember receiving a private message from a witty member who warned me to not be too aligned with the thinking of certain members, some of whom this witty writer called out by name. I was warned I would be perceived as being like them.

Although I closed that account, I did not delete the screen shot of that exchange.

This two faced witty writer has surfaced again to prod me.

Your “wit” is tiresome.

[Bromus in reply to pvw2]

Without getting into semantics or 'down in the weeds' as some would say, I think the relationship of diet and exercise in helping PD is more hypothetical than theoretical. What I mean is that we can offer many hypotheses for why exercise or diet may help help PD patients either by reducing symptoms or delaying symptoms, but until replicated controlled studies are completed we can't be sure there is a direct relationship between diet, exercise and PD symptoms or progression. Unfortunately, replicated controlled studies are difficult to perform for a number of different reasons. However, I believe certain forms of exercise do help, and I do them almost every day. I suspect changes in diet also can help based on other data in the published literature, so I hope that gut biome research will focus on its relationship to onset and progression of PD. We could use some breakthroughs in these two areas to slow or retard PD progression.

[Hidden in reply to Hidden]

Thank you! Great information.

[WinnieThePoo in reply to Hidden]

thecut.com/2015/06/problem-...

Exercise caution

[Hidden in reply to WinnieThePoo]

Exercise caution? Dig deeper than this hit piece Pooh, your ignorance is on display. I remember arguing about the high sugar in modern day fruit with you and your appearing to get quite the dopamine hit from defending sugar. Not going down that road again.

[Hidden in reply to WinnieThePoo]

Same or very similar diet as personally used by Dr. Rhonda Patrick, Dr. David Sinclair, Dr. Peter Attia, Dr. Andrew Huberman and many others. Are Harvard and Stanford’s scientists good enough for you Pooh or are you going to go with the FDA food pyramid? 😂

Adding a couple more, Dr. Matthew Phillips, and Dr. Michael Lustgarten.

What do they all have in common? They personally have diets very similar to what Perlmutter recommends in his book which I recommended bc it is an easy read for the laymen.

[Boscoejean]

gastrova.com/article/foods-...

[Boscoejean]

Grass-fed butter is a great source of fat-soluble Vitamin K2, which is otherwise hard to get. It also is a source of the powerful short-chain fatty acid butyrate, which is critical for a healthy gut. Butter also contains the fatty acid conjugated linoleic acid (CLA) which studies show may help with weight loss and even prevent cancer.

[Despe in reply to Boscoejean]

Even better, grass-fed ghee.

[Boscoejean]

Extra virgin olive oil has a blend of monounsaturated and polyunsaturated fatty acids (MUFAs and PUFAs) that have many health benefits. Studies link EVOO to everything from lowering the risk of cancer and stroke to decreasing inflammation – plus it’s polyphenol content provides food for the good bacteria in your gut.

[JAS9 in reply to Boscoejean]

Yes, I agree that EVOO is very good for absorbing fat-soluble K2, as well as another fat-soluble molecule called Fisetin, which I'm currently testing on myself. Just don't over-indulge; although it tastes good and doesn't have quite all of its good stuff processed out of it, EVOO is still a processed oil and as such contains a lot of calories. Dissolve your fat-soluble supplements into a small amount of EVOO and put it on some fresh leafy greens. Fantastic!

[Hidden]

Dr. Michael Lustgarten’s book.

Book recommendation