Has anyone looked at gym supplements for possible benefits?

[LAJ12345]

My teenage son wants to take this supplement for body building and I’m not keen on him taking these sorts of things with his dad’s condition, but as I look up the ingredients many have had studies on them for Parkinson’s , and also for eg erectile disjunction. I would appreciate any comments on the active ingredients. The one I’m not keen on the amount of caffeine for my son. He has recently had borderline hypothyroid as he thought vaping was a good idea. 🥺 But on a reduced dose could this supplement be of any benefit for parkinsons?

sprintfit.co.nz/product/357...

[bassofspades]

I don't know about that stuff but I have used BCAA"s, whey protein isolate and creatine with some positive results pertaining to pd. I discontinued due to weight gain from reduced activity. If I ever get back to the point where I can work out heavily again I would take them again.

[rebtar in reply to bassofspades]

Bass, what benefit does whey have for PD? I thought dairy was not good for PD?

[bassofspades in reply to rebtar]

Great question my friend ! Basically the main benefit of Whey protein isolate is that it contains Cysteine, which is the main precursor to Glutathione. Glutathione is well known for being beneficial to health, especially for people with Parkinson's disease.Whey protein isolate comes from milk, so I guess you could consider it dairy. But it doesn't contain lactose or milk fat. You know that water on top of yogurt or sour cream ? That's whey. Whey protein is a byproduct of the cheese making process.

[rebtar in reply to bassofspades]

Thanks!

[bassofspades]

Ok, i looked at the ingredient list. Here's what I know just off the top of my head . Creatine, BCAAs, tyrosine and coffee are ingredients that might help with pd symptoms. Tyrosine is a precursor to L Dopa. Creatine and BCAAs can help muscle recovery,soreness and stiffness. Coffee bean or nut, i can't remember which one it contains, has caffeine which we all know reduces fatigue. L-Arginine is known for nitric oxide boosting properties, which may be beneficial in pd and is known to be effective in treating ED for the same reason.

[LAJ12345 in reply to bassofspades]

Yes so might be helpful. Shame about the fillers and flavours. I looked up some of the other ingredients and they also seem ok. I’m still a bit unsure of the benefits for a teenager.

[bassofspades in reply to LAJ12345]

I would not let my teenager use it

[LAJ12345 in reply to bassofspades]

He’s nearly 19 so not a lot of say unfortunately. He specialises in stupidity at the moment.

[bassofspades in reply to LAJ12345]

Tell him that what he should be using is grass fed undenatured cold processed whey protein isolate. No weird supplements and no caffeine. He'll get big muscles

[LAJ12345 in reply to bassofspades]

I have bought him that but not fancy enough apparently.

[James4K in reply to bassofspades]

Where do you get grass fed cold processed whey protein isolate? It sounds wonderful! Thanks

[LAJ12345 in reply to James4K]

health2000.co.nz/Natural-He...

New Zealand made. Our cows are kept on paddocks and eat grass except perhaps mid winter when they have less available food so are supplemented with feed.

[bassofspades in reply to James4K]

Amazon. Brands called Promix and Muscle Feast. They're awesome! Another source is Immunocal.

[kevowpd]

250mg is an awful lot of caffeine per serve. A can of red bull is 80mg and that is enough to light a decent fire under most people. A single shot of espresso is about 63mg, so your musashi powder is 4 shots of espresso. When I used Cellucor C4, it had 150mg of caffeine per serve and that felt like plenty. Like with most of these things, your son will probably be fine, but there's a small chance this might reveal a heart problem and not in a good way. I would stick to products delivering less than 200mg of caffeine per serve.

[LAJ12345 in reply to kevowpd]

Yes, that’s what I think too.

[Zardoz]

Creatine is certainly helpful. It's mentioned in a protocol for Parkinson's disease in the "nutrients" section:

lifeextension.com/protocols...

Creatine, an important amino acid-like compound, is vital to cellular energy management. Creatine deficiency is associated with neurological damage. Several animal studies have shown creatine, because of its "pro-mitochondrial" effect, to be effective in preventing or slowing the progression of Parkinson's disease. Influential Harvard neurologists noted that "creatine is a critical component in maintaining cellular energy homeostasis, and its administration has been reported to be neuroprotective in a wide number of both acute and chronic experimental models of neurological disease." Studies have shown that creatine is safe and well tolerated by patients with Parkinson's disease.

[Nguflh58]

Citrulline Malate is a major ingredient. A quick review shows this product boosts Nitric Oxide. Nitric oxide potentially isn't good for pd. It is believed to help weight lifting but it is inconclusive. Creatine though not helpful doesn't hurt PD and whey protein is helpful in building muscles. I use them in my exercise routine. I would talk with a doctor as NO appears to be oxidative. Not a doc so I read enough to scare me. There are different forms some are oxidative, some neuroprotective.

"Though the molecular mechanisms of how NO contributes to diseases are not completely understood, studies have shown that NO may cause neuronal injury and death by mediation of excitotoxicity, damage of DNA, and/or modification of proteins. Understanding the pathogenic mechanisms of NO and its role in Parkinson's disease (PD) and other neurodegenerative diseases may help to develop novel neuroprotective therapies for these diseases."

[LAJ12345 in reply to Nguflh58]

Thanks. I have tried to convince him it isn’t a good idea especially with his dads PD but he will not take advice so I can’t stop him unfortunately. I hope he soon grows out of his irrational phase🥺