As is the case with all vulnerable communities of people, COVID 19 poses a valid threat to PwP. Any practical, immediately available therapeutics that may mitigate infection by the virus is of interest to all. In this regard, the Dr Zelenko interview (first posted by 'rescuema') merits a post of its own.
*Disclaimer: If you are seeking a cure for PD, keep looking. This is not it.
*Recommendation: If your attention span cannot survive the 30 min. duration of the first half of this video (the Zelenko interview), refrain from comment. Pre-packaged opinions only waste the time of the more cognizant members.
See Dr. Zelenko's response in the comment section against this (and other) sham article.
"Zev Zelenko: What a poor article and excuse for journalism. 1. I have never been under investigation. Just because the Washington post and New York Times wrote something doesn’t make it true. These are 2 useless rags that are not fit to be read. I have never been contacted by the department of justice. 2. I left the community because l became to successful and represented a threat both financially and politically to certain corrupt people. They tried to defame me and damaged my ability to practice medicine. KJ has the lowest covid19 death rate of any JEWISH community in America."
Besides, he's not the only Dr reporting the success of early HCQ + zinc treatment.
The article by HARVEY A. RISCH, MD, PHD might hold a higher value-
"As professor of epidemiology at Yale School of Public Health, I have authored over 300 peer-reviewed publications and currently hold senior positions on the editorial boards of several leading journals. I am usually accustomed to advocating for positions within the mainstream of medicine, so have been flummoxed to find that, in the midst of a crisis, I am fighting for a treatment that the data fully support but which, for reasons having nothing to do with a correct understanding of the science, has been pushed to the sidelines. As a result, tens of thousands of patients with COVID-19 are dying unnecessarily. Fortunately, the situation can be reversed easily and quickly.
I am referring, of course, to the medication hydroxychloroquine. When this inexpensive oral medication is given very early in the course of illness, before the virus has had time to multiply beyond control, it has shown to be highly effective, especially when given in combination with the antibiotics azithromycin or doxycycline and the nutritional supplement zinc.
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In the future, I believe this misbegotten episode regarding hydroxychloroquine will be studied by sociologists of medicine as a classic example of how extra-scientific factors overrode clear-cut medical evidence. But for now, reality demands a clear, scientific eye on the evidence and where it points. For the sake of high-risk patients, for the sake of our parents and grandparents, for the sake of the unemployed, for our economy and for our polity, especially those disproportionally affected, we must start treating immediately."
Complete horseshit. I've already explained why on another thread. People will believe strange nonsense on the web when it accords with their own articles of faith
There is an exquisite irony when someone who brags in their profile that they are "The dreaded adversary of consummate shills, fraudsters, pretenders, and medical chicanery at large" spends his time peddling modern day snake oil in the form of hydroxchloroquine, in the face of all the scientific consensus that the stuff is useless, with the aid of a report about a quack with links to POTUS publicising dubious claims of clinical efficacy that get him drummed out of his community.
Ah but no, wait a minute, didn't POTUS, the great man of science, rush out and buy vast quantities of hydroxchloroquine - resulting in a Federal stockpile of tens of millions of doses of a useless drug? I guess POTUS needs a street network to offload his stock. Is the commission good Le Grand Con?
I understand the Newsweek article by the esteemed Yale professor doesn't serve the narrative of the politically biased. To fuel it even further, dare to visit the below site showing the adjusted death per million graph of early HCQ use by countries.
I have already formed my opinion over 4 months ago as evident by my past posts that the key to HCQ + Zinc is to apply it early. As to the supposed over-hyped "dangers" of the drug, it is safer than Aspirin or Tylenol in proper doses compared to the curiously toxic doses used in some studies designed to discredit HCQ.
The American Heart Association concluded the following back in 4/28/2020 but the study received no mainstream media coverage.
"In the largest reported cohort of coronavirus disease 2019 patients to date treated with chloroquine/hydroxychloroquine±azithromycin, no instances of Torsade de pointes, or arrhythmogenic death were reported."
Let's see what the history will decide who was in the wrong/right.
In the meanwhile, let's suppose that HCQ is indeed not so toxic. Under that assumption, would you still refuse and insist on a randomized double-blind placebo controlled peer reviewed study if you find out that you've just been infected with Covid and have less than a few days window to fight death? If you're about to drown, would you not hold on to the available driftwood as Dr. Zeleko points out as an analogy in the video?
Trying to scare people away from a theraputic that might help. By the way, quercetin has the same effect as HCQ at high doses and is side effect free. At first symptoms take 5000mg. a day divided into 2 doses with 50mg. zinc. Quercetin is a known zinc ionophore and will kill any viral infection within 5 days when used in high doses with low doses of zinc.
No. Trying to draw a vulnerable groups attention to the fact that the video from April makes claims that have subsequently been shown to be false to the point that the doctor making them was effectively drummed out of the community he made them about
There is no evidence for the efficacy of hydroxchloroquine and zinc. Just rumours. This virus is a killer. The evidence internationally suggests those following the dull conventional science like Vietnam can keep deaths in their 90 million population to 1 so far (sadly they had their first covid19 death yesterday) and those rejecting the science and promoting alternative therapies and solutions rejected by science have a death toll of hundreds of thousands
Just follow the numbers and international experience and draw obvious conclusions
I wouldn't go as high as 5000mg and limit to 1000mg dose or 500mg as prophylaxis. I believe it may be hard on the kidneys at very high dosage above a gram/day.
Don't take massive doses of vitamin D regularly without blood test or you'll end up with hypercalcemia.
"Overexposure to vitamin D produces symptomatic hypercalcemia, with possible weakness, fatigue, depression, confusion, stupor or coma, polyuria, nephrolithiasis, renal failure, ectopic calcification, conjunctivitis, fever, chills, anorexia, nausea, vomiting, and constipation."
In direct controversy with the friend pwp Winnie, below is an article that explains what happens in Vietnam and why no other country can be like Vietnam. In my opinion they will soon have problems too. This is why I hope that a safe cure / vaccine that reduces mortality will be found soon, so I believe that every option should remain available.
Certain aspects of Vietnam’s response to COVID-19 may not be replicable in other countries. Its experience with past epidemics encouraged citizens to take significant steps to slow the spread of the virus. Because Vietnam features a one-party government with a chain of command reaching from the national level down to the village level, it is particularly suited to mobilizing resources, implementing public health strategies, and ensuring consistent messages while enforcing regulations stringently.
Many lessons from Vietnam are applicable to other countries, including:
Investment in a public health infrastructure (e.g., emergency operations centers and surveillance systems) enables countries to have a head start in managing public health crises effectively. Vietnam learned lessons from SARS and avian influenza, and other countries can learn those same lessons from COVID-19.
Early action, ranging from border closures to testing to lockdowns, can curb community spread before it gets out of control.
Thorough contact tracing can help facilitate a targeted containment strategy.
Quarantines based on possible exposure, rather than symptoms only, can reduce asymptomatic and presymptomatic transmission.
Clear communication is crucial. A clear, consistent, and serious narrative is important throughout the crisis.
A strong whole-of-society approach engages multi-sectoral stakeholders in decision-making process and activate cohesive participation of appropriate measures.”
There are lots of countries with low death rates. I dont think Vietnam is the only one. You are right clear communication and whole of society engaged has meant NZ has had 22 deaths and at present has no community spread. It can change though, as it has in Australia. But the rates in UK and USA are not good.
It's amazing to see the amount off fear mongering going on against hydroxychloroquine, an inexpensive less than $0.10 a tablet drug that's been deemed one of the safest and most effective medicine for many decades until it got politicized with Covid.
If you watch the videos and read the below peer reviewed study article and still choose to believe in the continued nonsense, that's up to you.
“Our analysis shows that using hydroxychloroquine helped saves lives,” said neurosurgeon Dr. Steven Kalkanis, CEO, Henry Ford Medical Group and Senior Vice President and Chief Academic Officer of Henry Ford Health System. “
Apparently the advanced state of their derangement renders these tragic figures not only incapable of addressing the simple question originally posed, but incapable of following the posted “recommendation” that they (at least) listen to the interview prior to blurting their prepackaged opinions. We must all pray for a TDS vaccine ASAP.
Clearly your insidious affliction has dealt you a brutal blow Comrade Poo. Regrettably, the advanced state of your confusion and your rambling incoherence bode poorly for recovery anytime soon. Until the TDS vaccine is finally rolled out (slated for Nov), a silent self-quarantine (to spare yourself further embarrassment) is your safest course.
To answer the question you have newly asked, if diagnosed with Covid19, I would self-isolate for 2 weeks, wear a facemask if contact with others could not be avoided, notify my close contacts of the last 2 weeks, and ask them to get tested, monitor my blood oxygen levels, and continue supplementing vitamin D. If the condition deteriorated sufficiently I would seek medical assistance at our local hospital
As expected, what certain “replies” to this simple question* serve to illustrate is that those tragic characters with the more advanced cases of TDS are so hopelessly consumed by the malady’s signature sense of self righteousness (and crippled by the need to feed their rabid confirmation bias), that the central question cannot even be addressed (*see title).
Curious… when such individuals opt to curl up into a ball and hope that their chills, headache, respiratory issues, etc., resolve themselves rather than avail themselves of the most promising options currently at hand, would the “Cause of Death” read “SARS CoV-2” - or “terminally inflated ego”?
Nice video. But easy to forget everything has a date. This was the picture in early April. It's August now. More trials have been carried out. We have Dexamethasone, another cheap, readily available, significantly more useful drug .
But not that good. It helps - but its no substitute for controlling the spread.
As for hydroxychloroquine - the current state of the game could be described as damning with faint praise. It appears to be unacceptable risk levels in seriously ill patients, particularly if they also need certain antibiotics, and probably acceptable risk for patients with mild or no symptoms - but probably not much benefit either.
My primary objection to threads like this, is the risk they promote and support the idea that virus prevention methods are unnecessary because effective treatment solutions are available
Hydroxychloroquine has been used in Poland and Hungary off label as experimental treatment for Covid patients without any reported side effects, however the enclosed articles emphasize that it is effective only in the beginning stages of infection. Here is the link although text is not in English:
Also, there is a clinical trial conducted in Germany which will hopefully provide the verdict on Hydroxychloroquine's effectiveness although it may take a while to complete it:
"On 27 March 2020, Tübingen’s Institute of Tropical Medicine, working with the Bernhard Nocht Institute of Tropical Medicine, the University Medical Center Hamburg-Eppendorf and the Robert Bosch Hospital in Stuttgart, started clinical trials under the title "Randomized controlled trial of hydroxychloroquine versus placebo for the treatment of adult patients with acute coronavirus disease 2019 - COVID-19."
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