Mbanderson and I were involved in a discussion about covid19 deaths and a league table of countries managing them. It is easy to get fixated on tables and forget these are people who were loved.
My auntie Brenda died last week, in a nursing home, isolated from her family for her last 2 weeks. My dad's sister. So painful.
My son's wife's gran, has just died of the virus in similarly grim isolation.
Here in France, Henri died. He was in his 60s and had a heart condition. So the statistics have him down as a pre-existing condition. But without covid19, he would probably still be playing petanque with his heart condition 5years from now.
It's more than just a numbers game
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And, there are a lot of people, who are advocating for covid-19 to take its course. I don't understand that. We are caring and compassionate people. I'm deeply sorry for your loss. Mary
I am very sorry to hear of your losses. This disease is a lot of things, including heartless. I have a friend who has family just outside of Las Vegas. The grandmother and grandfather were working at a casino bar and contracted the virus and took it home to the rest of the family. The grandfather was put in the hospital along with his wife. They both died. Their son caught it next and died. So far 7 members of the family have died from Covid-19. This disease takes lives as if they are nothing!
It's true, Winnie, I think many of us are going to "feel the reach" of this virus at some point, but I like this forum for seeing many of the possibilities for how we might be able to deal with Covid-19!
My son's wife is a nurse who goes to work every day. They have 3 small children. We live in fear. I call them 3 times a week. My daughter and her 2 small children had it, but all 3 have recovered. My heart goes out to you. So sorry for your losses. It's truly a nightmare
My heart goes out to you. My 99 yr old mom is in assisted living and secluded her in her room for the past month, seeing only staff a couple of times a day. I have no idea if I will be able to see her again before she passes, hold her hand. While we wait, her memory is deteriorating. I can’t imagine her contracting the virus and spending her last days without family beside her. It is so hard.
Obviously one death extra is one too many. The death of someone close is always heart breaking and my condolences on your losses. Recent uk figures show virus is taking many people away 80% ish as primary cause because of sharp rise in numbers of deaths over expected for time of year. Unfortunately only cold analysis of large numbers of figures can answer questions like is this virus more deadly than seasonal flu. Such answers are vital for proper management of situation.
How many times has seasonal flu left people dieing in Italian hospital corridors, or New York digging mass graves in its parks? There may be a clue to your answer there.
Your reply echoes my own feelings about severity ie. that it is worse than seasonal flu. Many experts like person who wrote paper mentioned at start of this thread argue its only like seasonal flu. UK figures are starting to show this is not case believe uk lags behind italy. However only hard reliable figures will tell. I commend Dr john Campbell's videos on YouTube for analysis of daily figures
It’s been proven that COVID-19, is much more contagious, than regular, seasonal flu. Airborne droplets can spread rapidly, from someone carrying the coronavirus - that is where the problem lies, on top of it’s ability to attack the respiratory system!
There are no mass graves in ny parks as yet. Mass graves on Hart island but that is usual practice and been going on for years. They are considering but not yet as far as I know.
In short all the countries with mandatory mask wearing are doing much better than those than didn't. I have written to my MP (in the UK) pointing this out. Germany is planning to produce 50 million face masks a week by summer.
Exercise, vitamin C, sunlight ( for increased levels of vitamin D) are crucial to stay healthy against covid and PD. Also controlled blood sugar (with good sleep - means less alcohol - boo).
A vaccine cannot be relied on to get us out of here. But I think that widespread mask-wearing, together with some degree of herd immunity ( from younger people getting it) will help stop the spread.
I am also hopeful that with enough masks people getting a lower dose of the virus may have a better response.
Agreed. A university colleague and good friend died of Covid-19 this week leaving a grieving wife and four children. It was a dreadful way to go. I can't look at the numbers without thinking of them. Best, Kevin
Só sorry for your loss! My son-in-law is a Doctor, who is in charge of a COVID-19 ward! Every day he goes in, dons his PPE, and works on 🦠 virus patients! We live in fear that he may catch the 🦠 or that some in the family may get it! It’s so contagious, and can be so lethal! My wife and I, both elderly, with incurable chronic health conditions, are in the most vulnerable category. We have sheltered in place, at home, for 35 days, with no other human contact, physically. Also, we strictly adhere to decontamination procedures, and isolation rules. Even then, it is scary, because the virus is the unseen enemies. Everything that comes in the house, left on the porch for us, is wiped down with Clorox wipes. It would be so easy to become paranoid about all this! Because it could be a matter of survival, and whether we live or die, it’s been a nightmare scenario for many vulnerable people. My Dad died in a nursing home, after contacting SARS, when that epidemic was around, a few years ago. He couldn’t keep anything down when eating, so he looked like a concentration camp victim, at the time of his death. Any contagious disease, can run rampant in a nursing home setting! That was a nightmare for us, with my Dad, and now this! We are trying to hang in there, but it’s tough for quite a few vulnerable people, and for the caregivers, and staff!
Yes it is hard. The world is already a different place. I was due to be in the UK this week, looking after my 86 year old parents and giving my sister a break from looking after them, including dad's stoma bag. Now they are locked down with her and her daughter does the shopping and leaves it on the step.
So instead I will remote control my dad's laptop and connect my parents to a group video chat with his grandchildren, and wait to be sure I won't infect them.
Once an antibody test is available I think there is a decent chance I've had it asymptomatically.
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Here in Australia our death toll is low by world standards. We don't have widespread transmission. We isolated very quickly. Shops and restaurants closed, except for essential services. People are working from home, where possible.
Nursing homes were completely isolated quickly. One nursing home had 6 deaths due to staff member working with symptoms. No other deaths. Quite a few older people dying connected to a cruise ship cock- up.
Borders closed, including some State borders. All Australians coming home now isolated in hotels for 2 weeks.
We are not in complete lock down. We can go for a walk, but we must practice social distancing, and can walk with one friend or the family . No fishing in Victoria. My son-in-law is not happy with that one. Some states allow fishing alone, or in pairs.
Fortunately, our Governments (State and Federal) are working together. They very quickly formed the National Cabinet and together with health authorities, seem to have acted as a team...first time ever! We hear regularly from our Prime Minister on behalf of the National Cabinet , side by side with our Chief Medical Officer. They are presenting a united front.
Right or wrong, fact or fiction, they come across as united in coping with this crisis. Consequently, we are doing as we are told ( most of us).
We can get takeaway food and there's lots of innovation in that area. Supermarkets restrict numbers, wipes provided for trolleys, hand wash provided. Not many wearing masks.
We are still in the suppression stage, but might get some relief soon, if the numbers keep decreasing.
We can be so thankful to all the healthcare workers and others in essential services.
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