Multiple sclerosis caused by a virus? One... - Cure Parkinson's
Multiple sclerosis caused by a virus? One of these days we will see that kind of a headline related to Parkinson's.
Hi Parkie13,
you know I've had the same thoughts for some time now,that viruses may be the trigger for PD,and I have searched the web if there's anything documented close to this,but to no avail. Maybe the experts will begin to look closely at the link between germs and some of these incurable disease as triggers.
You could look up Anthony Williams the medical medium. He also is postulating that the disease is caused by a virus. He is not everybody's cup of tea. Lots of interesting information in his books if you are going the natural way.
"Anthony William or the Medical Medium, is a medium who offers medical and health advice based on alleged communication with a spirit from the future"
Lol. Lots of interesting information in the 'Star Wars' films too, and about as relevant to treating a an actual medical condition.
I believe that his advice is very valid. If you want to go a natural way and a lot of people do,his Insight is very helpful. Different Strokes for different folks.
It's a shame he can't give us the cure, what with his ability to see into the future and everything.
Believe it or not he does give his recommendations. They are diet, and trying to reduce the virus load and trying to get rid of the virus. If only we had HIV then we would have a cure.
Anthony Williams says that the Parkinson's virus has not been discovered yet. Before I even heard of Anthony Williams I always thought that Parkinson's is caused by a virus.
I imagine that it is possible that some as yet unidentified pathogen could possibly cause PD in some people, but it would not likely be the only cause since other things like excess toxic metals or pesticides may also be causes. I know of one person that I have read of on the web who claims that he cured his wife of MS by giving her colloidal silver in conjunction with a few other supplements.
To me, if you are going to pursue the possibility of a virus causing a disease and you wanted to use a fairly safe approach, colloidal silver nanoparticles (AGNP's) make sense to me for a couple of reasons. One is that AGNP's are a very broad spectrum antibacterial and antiviral with antifungal and antiparasitic qualities. AGNP's in the correct amount and timing are relatively mild to normal human cells while being fairly aggressive at neutralizing pathogens of many types. AGNP's are fairly safe even with long term dosing over a year in length as long as proper dosing is maintained.
One drawback to AGNP's is that it can be made in multiple ways and the method used, for production of AGNP's is critical! AGNP's have a sweet spot when it comes to particle size and particle size is determined by the production method used. Particles that are too large are not efficient at neutralizing pathogen's and the larger they get, the less efficient they become. Particles that are too small are more efficient at neutralizing pathogens, but these very small particles below 10 ng/ml are also more toxic to normal human cells. Studies on this aspect of AGNP's have shown the the sweet spot when it comes to particle size is right in the 12 ~ 20 ng/ml particle size. It is relatively easy for knowledgeable AGNP manufacturers to produce particles in this size range.
Another important point in producing effective AGNP's is that they need to be capped with another substance in order to properly maintain their beta potential or resistance against agglomeration as well as ability to stay in suspension and yet effectively neutralize multiple pathogens. The capping agent also protects the AGNP's against instant damage when confronted with the hydrochloric acid and salt present in the gut. Without an effective capping agent to protect the silver particles, stomach acid and salt will likely render the AGNP's ineffective due to agglomeration where the particles keep joining together to form larger and less effective particles until finally they become so large that they fall out of suspension and become too large to even be considered silver nanoparticles any more. AGNP's also seem to be much better at not having the pathogen become resistant to it than other antibiotics and antivirals while having the ability to make previously ineffective antibiotics become more effective.
Regarding MS in particular, patients are noted for having lower than normal serum levels of the chemokine il-8 which is generally considered to be quite inflammatory due to its recruitment of neutrophils which often results in elevated levels of inflammatory mediators such as NF kappa b, TNF alpha and inflammatory cytokines such as il-1, il-6 and il-17. The reduced levels of il-8 would generally be considered good, but in MS patients, even though serum il-8 is lower, cerebrospinal fluid (CSF) levels of il-8 are considerably elevated. Much of the damage done in MS is done in this compartment. Finding things that can cross the blood brain barrier (BBB) is a challenge and finding things that can cross the BBB and potentially have antagonistic effects against il-8 is a bit more of a challenge.
With that in mind, we already know that AGNP's and certain forms of magnesium do cross the BBB and we also know that magnesium can act as an il-8 antagonist. Considering the very good safety profile of magnesium along with other potential health benefits, it seems like a reasonable idea to give consideration to a form of magnesium that has been shown to cross the BBB, thus entering the CSF where the elevated il-8 exists and does damage. Magnesium Aspartate is known to cross the BBB and be taken up quickly through many areas of the body including the brain/CSF. The two other magnesium forms shown to cross the BBB are Magnesium L Threonate and Magnesium Taurate and again the taurine content of Magnesium Taurate may also be beneficial for the brain. Taurine itself can also inhibit il-8 production and notably, taurine crosses the BBB also! Taurine is also protective of certain neurons in the brain and can reduce neuroinflammation. Taurine has also been shown to repair cells damaged in MS.
I'm mainly thinking out loud here, but if I had MS, I might be doing more than thinking about it!
Art
Art, how very interesting. Things are so complicated. Different nutritionists said that heavy metals and pesticides feed the viruses and bacteria. To me that's not a very far-fetched idea. Also, you can get it from your ancestors as the egg is being fertilized. Have enjoyed all your posts and your helpfulness. Mary
Mary, it is also interesting that PD patients are similar in that serum il-8 is lower than normal while cerebrospinal fluid(CSF) il-8 is very elevated similarly to MS and possibly at even higher levels as illustrated in one study that showed il-8 in the CSF of PD patients compared to controls was more than double the controls level at 220% higher ( 16.4 vs. 36.3)!
A mouse model study using silver nanoparticles(AGNP's) showed that it crossed the BBB and had antiinflammatory effects even though the researchers were expecting elevated inflammatory markers! As has been mentioned on the forum many times before, taurine has also shown benefit in PD, crosses the BBB and is an il-8 inhibitor! Yes, very interesting in deed!
My current thinking is that if you are going to go after an unknown pathogen, AGNP's are a very effective means of doing so while having a very good safety profile! Oh, and the rumor that real AGNP's turn you blue is just that. It is other forms of silver that can do that, such as silver chloride at very high dosing for a very long time! One thing with antivirals is that how do you know which one to use if you don't know what virus you are trying to eradicate? With AGNP's you just try it and see if it works. I have taken a quart of 20 ppm AGNP's everyday for a month and a friend of mine took 500 ml of 20 ppm everyday for two years with no problems. I have also inhaled it to eradicate colds fairly quickly and I imagine that the inhalation method may be effective for other pathogens in the lungs.
Art
I’ve just read of a statistical survey that found childhood measles can protect against the development of Parkinson’s in later life. You can google measles Parkinson’s..
Sounds like the immune system is involved somehow.
Having measles at about the age of six (long before vaccinations available) didn’t protect me from vascular Parkinsonism caused by strokes
Maybe the regular lips herpes virus can cause MLS or PD!?
Reminds me of the breakthrough discovery that stomach ulcer s are caused by bacteria, overturning the orthodoxy that they were due to “stress”
I lean more towards a bacteria as the initial player that gets into the brain via the nose or spine , maybe from the gut and kick starts an anti-immune reaction that causes the body to destroy itself.
However there is lots of evidence that viruses and bacteria play well together, a kind of mutual aid. Depending on what area of the brain is attacked may determine the name of the decease : Parkinsons, PSP , Alzheimers ,etc.
I think the answer to "what caused it" will be very simple and open doors to prevention, like polio and measles but the answer to "how do you cure it " may never be answered . A lot of damage was done before you even noticed the first symptom. This last bit is kinda hard to swallow but once they can prevent it , the need to cure it will soon disappear , just like us.
Yes ! I remember that.
Chronic Lyme Disease can morph into Parkinson's. Chronic Lyme can cause loss of dopamine. Did with my husband. However, we think he has heavy metal issues (used to work in a printing company with lots of chemicals).
Thanks for bringing up what I think is an extremely common complex contributor and even cause, heavy metal pollution and industrial chemicals in the water and food we consume and the air we breathe. So many to name. So many real links they produce. Absolutely right and too often not remembered or thought of. We sure know about it here in the midwest where incidence and prevalence, even after controlled for by age and location, is one of the highest in the world in the presence of huge-scale agrichemical use, to say nothing of that many of those specifically marked lots show up in the tissues of various fish, animals, bacteria, people all the way around the world, and vice versa. Then let's mention pesticides, various and worldwide.
There is already established evidence from autopsy studies of wide swathes of substanta nigra tissue killed off by various specific but somehow yet unknown virus and bacterial infections (along with a couple of known ones, Spanish Flu is one I have run into for example...then there is that one that approximately 65% or more of the entire US population already has in their brains, toxiplasmosis gondii, and who knows what that can do beyond what it is known for). You will find it if you do your good searching, it's not new.
Don't forget that within specific narrow criterion based definitions made for the benefit of clear scientific exploration and enterprise, and to incorporate the limits of knowledge and organize those limits and knowledge so it can fit into future knowledge development, there fits outside those narrows wider and wider circles which the nomenclature refers to as "-ism," as in not-quite Parkinson's, but like parts of Parkinson's, more than one, so Parkinson-"ism" that may later in one case or another cross into the more narrow formal case of Parkinson's, or be related but not exactly the same, etc etc etc., or even in the end not related at all.
More than one way to get to a common observable outcome, more than one mechanism trail. A single mechanism trail leading to, producing, a single observable effect or outcome can involve as much as several hundred exact and sequential complex chemical steps. Lot of room to discover in there, but expensive to do it right...and way more expensive to do it right but then filter through and prevail over all those other intervening efforts that did it wrong.
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