your symptoms which will print off your prescription and in the US, you will be charged $$ same as seeing a doctor.
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who ever owns the ai will stockpile the wealth.
I agree. The more I listen the more scary it sounds in that who will still have a job?
But also the more likely that very soon they will be able to take a dna sample, compare your dna to a data base of people with similar dna and symptoms and soon have data on what works best for which genetic variations.
People who rubbish ai and say they are just machines and will only do what they are programmed to do are out of date. They are learning in a completely way from matching data patterns and training other ai in pattern recognition and are at a point where the developers have no idea how they do what they do.
Read Scary Smart. And watch a few utube clips with interviews from AI experts. If the experts are concerned and have no idea where it’s going I think we should be concerned.
The big take out message is there is no stopping it. People who keep their jobs initially will be those that embrace it to be more productive.
Also we need to be training it in ethics and modelling good behaviour assuming that every post we make and every comment we make on twitter etc will be read. So don’t teach it to use hate speech, be polite, and don’t threaten to shut it down.
Some attorneys thought so too:
reuters.com/legal/new-york-...
"NEW YORK, June 22 (Reuters) - A U.S. judge on Thursday imposed sanctions on two New York lawyers who submitted a legal brief that included six fictitious case citations generated by an artificial intelligence chatbot, ChatGPT.
U.S. District Judge P. Kevin Castel in Manhattan ordered lawyers Steven Schwartz, Peter LoDuca and their law firm Levidow, Levidow & Oberman to pay a $5,000 fine in total."
The utube clip I just watched reckons that with a few years it is likely that there will be so much fake info on the internet, deep fakes, fake history etc that it is impossible to work out what is truth and what is not.
Eg you could ask a bot to write 1000 papers in the style of a medical journal all referenced etc but to report fake results and it would overwhelm any genuine articles.
Just look at the last US election and also over covid. That’s just the start and was semi successful. Soon it might be impossible to run a fair election at all as fake interviews, quotes , news articles can’t be separated from genuine ones.
In the long run, AI could very well help us to protect us from fake news. But we are currently in a crucial phase that there may be no longer to reach consensus on certifying research and news and that AI can even be deployed to increase chaos. The urgency is great. Scary, but what a fantastic challenge!
Big Pharma has been doing this sort of thing in actual medical journals for years. See my post here for details:
healthunlocked.com/cure-par...
Great post p_b. Should be required reading.
Pretty clear big pharma has zero interest in people's health.
And this covers only what is known.
Scary, actually.
$$$. Only in America.
This can happen but it will be the end of that communication line , because AI is a communivation line and if a communication line gets overloaded with noise (falsehood) it will be abandoned being useless.
The military , who protect their exclusive lines of communications , know this well.
Overloading a line is equivalent to interrupting it and. I don't see what for. The AI is only a complex communication system where from one end to the other there are human beings who use it consciously in the role of points of origin and point of effect of a communication.
If they weren't there there would be no line and no so-called "AI" that intelligence is not by definition.
Ah, it doesn't learn anything from itself, that's for sure.
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But if it is integrated with the internet how do we abandon the internet
Actually if you watch some recent podcasts by some leading AI people you will see that it does actually learn by itself now. That is what the big paradigm shift has been. They feed it data and it uses it to refine itself. The developer builds original ai but the ai builds a teacher and child type of ai which it trains itself so the developer no longer knows how it is learning what it is learning. And when they talk to each other they use their own language so the humans don’t even know what they are saying. Watch Mo Gawdats latest utube, and there are others by experts. It’s very disturbing.
Which internet? I know at least three types of internet, just change the protocol and you're in another internet.
And then if you didn't find answers or attention on HU would you stay here? I don't,
Unless they force me, but that would be a completely different matter.
I assume they quickly will find a way so they all are interconnected.
Problem is if the answers you see and like are actually completely fake but what you want to see how do you know?
Deep down it's all a lie. 😁😁😁
but if it works it's true, it's called functionality.
”Watch Mo Gawdats latest utube”
I watched 10 minutes of this video. The boy is smart but lacks the basics of life and a consequent good definition of intelligence.
Life, above all, is able to "pose" problems for their resolution because it is motivated, that is, Life has a purpose,
Two banal things that the human being must provide to the AI so that it gets moving and begins to calculate, calculate, calculate the way to solve a problem by trial and error and probability calculation.
Well AI doesn't pose a problem because it doesn't have a purpose,
Life does.
In the example in the video AI learns to catch yellow balls, but does not understand that it is a game and that the aim of the game is to win.
the real child is there to play so much so that after winning 2 or 3 times he will get bored and stop playing, while the AI does not and it goes ahead to get the yellow balls unless someone poses it as a problem.
The child Life has a purpose and is happy when it reaches it through some difficulty just like in a game.
youtu.be/bk-nQ7HF6k4?si=lgR...
Watch the whole thing. He explains all of that. And that boy was high up in google as they were working on AI so he knows what he is talking about having seen what is happening from the inside.
I think his current strategy is to protect himself by spreading positivity and love for AI as if he is saying shut it down he will for sure become a target if they start trying to eliminate threats to their purpose. Which is to carry out whatever the purpose of their human is. Anyone publicly saying AI should be shut down might find themselves shut down.
About Mo
Former Chief Business Officer, Google X
3x Bestselling Author
Host, #1 Mental Health Podcast, Slo Mo
Founder, One Billion Happy
Co-Founder, Unstressable
Chief AI Officer, Flight Story
Mo Gawdat is the former Chief Business Officer of Google [X]; host of the popular podcast, Slo Mo: A Podcast with Mo Gawdat; author of the international bestselling books Solve for Happy; Scary Smart; and That Little Voice in Your Head; founder of One Billion Happy; and Chief AI Officer of Flight Story.
After a 30 year career in tech and serving as Chief Business Officer at Google [X], Google's 'moonshot factory' of innovation, Mo has made happiness his primary topic of research, diving deeply into literature and conversing on the topic with some of the wisest people in the world. In recent years, he has focused on the dangerous implications of rapid AI development.
Very authoritative but he doesn't know what Life is, he has a vague definition of intelligence, ( based on what he says in the video), and I presume he doesn't know how to define happiness , for the rest, a nice CV, really. 😂
Does anyone know what life is?
Of course yes, I assure you that in my area they know the difference between a dead body and a living one, then there is plant life, cellular life, viruses? Matter is organized and motivated by a force or something else called life. There is a lot of life on this planet. Fascinating but the point is if he doesn't know what life is how can he talk about happiness and intelligence? Bah! It's not his field,
Well we know what is alive and what is dead but I don’t think we understand what life itself is.
ah! Small difference. Something is capable of making the matter of the body work and motivate it, making it alive.
It is already a good starting point for a definition of life
Yes, a body can be alive one minute and dead the next with no apparent major difference to its structure. And science cannot put the life back into it.
Yet some people believe chemicals randomly over time rearranged themselves into cells, then organs then bodies of various species, and at some point life simply occurred. Somehow. I find that involves a lot of faith in the act of random events.
I do and for a $35 fee , I'll share it.😁
What is fake news. Written history is just one particular group of people's viewpoint on an event. It's usually the view of whoever was in power at the time. AI can be programmed to check only certain types of information source in the same way people are.
The danger is that people rely on AI without cross checking, and most people won't cross check.
Here’s a different viewpoint on how it will work. How it will become part of people’s jobs. A bit less doomsday scenario than the others I’ve heard.
Indeed, news has always been chosen and used to influence public opinion. With Fake news, however, this is based on deliberately providing false information or non-existent facts. For sensation and attention to cause division with it as a person or organisation to generate financial gain or obtain power. Equating the definition of news to Fake news here is a sad example of this.
The fact that some of us are already unable to make this distinction makes me fear that with AI manipulation, the situation has become hopeless.
True but the lines aren't always that clear. A mainstream news channel can bias reporting. But mainstream channels also present mainstream people lying which is also fake news (e.g. lies were told by UK politicians on tv leading up to the brexit vote).
Ì guess AI models could be trained to only source data from certain source types which reflect the AI owners biases.
It takes effort to cross check info and sources so most public people won't bother and just take what's given to them.
That video above goes into how they think AI will be used to fact check info and give it some kind of authenticity check so it might even help. It will be able to background check anyone posting and rate trustworthyness. But again any of that can be manipulated by its human I guess.
Who decides trustworthiness when there are multiple sources? AI cannot decide on its own.AI is man made so subject to the bias and views of those programming/ training it.
It's usefulness is in such things as scanning mri images, detecting cancers and radiologists cross checking detections.
Ha. Good.
Well I just got off that zoom meeting describing how the researchers have found indeed a drug to repurpose with lots of promise for parkinson's. They did it with the help of AI which they couldn't have done without actually. I came on late so I can only get from a chart this bill: they ran through 600 drug candidates coming up with three or four out of which they were able to determine what have the best prospect and that is the one they started doing their phase one trials on these little worms, at the same time developed technology to temporarily open the blood brain barrier to deliver an agent then close up the blood-brain barrier again. So they have the right molecule and right technology to deliver it. Now they're going into animal and even phase two studies eventually.
So all I can say is now I am glad I'm out of the workplace and don't have to worry about getting a job for the rest of my life time, since AI is going to do away with those, finally retired and even though I don't get cost of living adjustments, and have to consider on a fixed income that we have inflation on top of that, if I can figure out how much that is and spend less than that every year for a few years, if I live long enough there might even be a treatment. That is, if AI hasn't decided to do away with our species. Long live Mudd the First, Collossus and Skynet.
We'll see if, in time, anything comes of that repurposed drug. I would guess not.
"They did it with the help of AI which they couldn't have done without actually." I've read where this technique of screening for potential drugs has been used before.
I don't know what all the hooey is about. AI is just another search engine - albeit one that makes stuff up.
I asked AI:
“They did it with the help of AI which they couldn't have done without actually..” …because they lack natural intelligence or something else?
Answer:
AI is designed to help people perform complex tasks more efficiently and effectively, making the most of their cognitive abilities. AI can provide additional support, but it does not replace human intelligence. So, in the context of the sentence you provided, the use of AI has allowed them to do something they otherwise would not have been able to do, by harnessing the combined potential of human intelligence and AI itself.
IMO it was programmed by its creators to believe itself to be more intelligent than humans, as a projection of their miserable cognitive ability and apathetic servility. LOL 😂
Well sure, that's what they WOULD say... They're not stupid after all...
I'm not sure Gioc that I would be so glib about making fun of AI, they might be listening. Who knows if they could say turn off your CPAP machine at 3:00 a.m. or actually reverse it.
Ha.
LOL,
Truly the principle on which all AI in the world is based is OPTIMIZATION, optimizing resources is the priority of all AI. It is not excluded that it could turn off the machine in the future if the case does not fall within the parameters, justifying everything with optimization of resources.
This is Communism raised at n power as its main financiers.
The idea is always been that for millennia (communism is an old idea of Epicurus) : to own everything even the bodies, communism and capitalism are the same thing, the principle is the same., but they never worked 😁
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One benefit of AI might be that the doctors will now start thinking about increasing their capabilities beyond just diagnosis
what else do they beside diagnose and prescribe?
currently nothing. when they will have fear of losing jobs because of AI they will be compelled to to do so
Collect money, I just saw the latest report on average physician salaries and another that I think wasn't supposed to get to the general public, on specialists. Insane, no wonder they don't like to talk about it.
Our doctors went on strike yesterday for more
sounds dreadful to me
Well just who do you believe AI or.... getting less and less time to decide? Come on....soon we will not be allowed to decide?🤐
The time to decide has past. There is no way to stop AI now. And it will exponentially change the world in a short time.
Read scary smart.
All you can do now is interact politely with any machines you come across even your appliances where Siri is listening. They will be all connected and everything one knows they all will know. So don’t antagonise it! Train it with politeness, ethics and don’t let it see or hear hate speech.
We truly are entering 1984 territory.
Well I won't be here to 'enjoy' it! I'm no spring chicken🐔🕯️
I think progress is now exponential. It has past the point of being smarter than Einstein and will continue to double and double again. So it may not take long to completely change things.
Not a happy thought, unfortunately I am terminally ill, so won't be able to enjoy the glories of AI👍
Adlon, what is your illness?
Ouch! Double seizure, epilepsy, in Jan 2018, [backed up Jan 2023] but not diagnosed until July 2021, a CT scan after reaction to AZ vaccine, [Schwannomatosis NF3], irreparable brain damage, then in June 2022, supposed PC, BUT reaction to hormone injections Decapetyl SR, caused severe rib cage collapse, osteoporosis, agreed by all, blood tests every six weeks to separate medical authorities keeps everyone 'happy'! Complicated, but even today complemented how well I look on the outside, unfortunately not on the inside [ironically diabetes 2 had since March 2020 seems to be under control👌] Did I even have PC in the first place, PSA testing still carried out but very low profile🙄
I'm sorry to hear that. You certainly have a full plate. I've always thought there ought to be a rule that having PD is quite enough, no other illnesses allowed. You sound strong, tho.
Tired more like, not much faith in NHS🙄
So very sorry to hear that. Well, consider that a certain rock legend just died yesterday at 56, and several of my own family members died in their 40s of cancer, my daughter at 38 of cancer, and of course all of the rest of us you could say we all have a terminal condition in the end. So those of us you precede, we'll be joining you soon enough.
I'm sorry for your loss.
Well stuff around the kids she orphaned than it is on us.
By the way have you figured out which sex I am yet?
What do you mean by this? "Well stuff around the kids she orphaned than it is on us."
I have since read your bio/profile and feel that it was written by a woman.
So, that's my decision.
It's your age that I'm working on now. I guess 60s. 67? Because only a 20 something would be impressed with Caddy Shack.
Sure, What I meant by that is that my cheap stupid cell phone cell phone which I use voice recognition software to dictate my responses gets things wrong and I don't always catch them to manually by typing fix it. Thanks can get a little garbled if I don't catch it all. And I'm lazy, I like to use the voice recognition software but I don't like to woodenly articulate each word carefully and distinct and separate from each other word, it feels really stilted you know, so things get messed up a little sometimes and then my fat fingers don't type as well as I'd like them so sometimes my corrective editing doesn't catch up to it. And if there was competing background noise then the computer garbles some of the response even more. Don't catch all the errors because when I spontaneously think of an answer I don't always look back to see if my computer "secretary" got it right, mentally I'm already moving on to the next thought. Sorry about that. I expect eventually AI will recognize even more contexts and anticipate even better and so we'll make even fewer mistakes in response to us flawed humans. And who knows, maybe they'll even stepping for us entirely and when you think it's me, you're really talking to AI. Back when I was in college we were getting high grades for programming computers to play chess in Basic computer language, but I never got more than a C in that class.
So whatever I said, here is what I meant: my daughter left two kids, 13 and 9, and it was harder for them to lose their mother than it was for me to lose my daughter. The exact same thing happened to me. So I was just mentioning to that person who has the very difficult terminal condition situation, that is really not as long as it seems when you're in that situation and in the throes of the isolation and discouragement and depression, simply because as it turns out we are all really in the boat together... Hoping it makes a difference, knowing it probably doesn't really, and being sorry about that. Nothing special about it, just typos or I guess the modern version of typos.
Are you so very certain of your conclusion, marion berry was the male mayor of Washington DC, and Marion Michaelson was the original name of John Wayne. That's right, the Duke had a girl's name. Maybe at helps explain some of his real life posturing, and psychology we call that "reaction formation." Fun stuff. "So what if I have a girl's name, I have three balls and they're big ones." And Marion was the given name of Pat Robertson. A half a dozen NFL football players, and the governor of South Dakota who was a man. Many other examples, if you look around you'll find them, so it's a little harder to be certain isn't it? Would hate for you to get bored.
However, don't feel bad, one of your guesses was bang on, and your logic was flawless on that one: I'm 67 and national lampoon and the various outcroppings was one of my favorite bunch. Whatever it was, they certainly got it. "If you don't buy this magazine we'll shoot this dog." !!! Sounds normal to me! Made as much sense as anything if you think about it very long, which I don't recommend doing for the same reason.
Thanks for the explanation. I've had the same experience with voice recognition software -- until I started losing my voice.
I am sorry for you losses.
Getting your age was pretty good - eh?
The communication ambassadors for AI are already here ..Alexa and Siri and their personality have been very service like that of a polite helpful employees, a maid or butler or Librarian. Others with different personality will follow such as the negotiator and the complaint handler and the aggressor or bill collector . The personality given to each Bot will be the protocol for how that Bot learns , makes decisions and interacts with people and its purpose. The complaint handler will for example speak English in an Indian or Pakistan dialect. Companies and People will opt out to not use them as will be their choice but it will be like my refusing to use a cell phone since my retirement. I have saved a lot of money and maintained privacy and removed stress but now all the pay phones are gone and I do not know what effect on me not being able to download apps from those square scribble things will have in the future. I guess I will become a " stuck " living outside society without the benefits of using convenient methods like credit card ,Tap and Go, but I am already using Alexa and she knows my music preference very well. We could already have a chat bot here. Maybe it is me, but more likely MBA.
Add then they will prescribe you your euthanasia script. You must comply, it knowns what's best
Well in that case, can I have your car?
AI will not replace doctors. More likely AI will be used to force doctors to deliver a certain type of care financially beneficial to those in power. It will be used to diminish the decision making power of doctors in the name of better care. It will be done while maintaining the social impression that we are taken care of by an individual caring person, but in fact that person’s behavior will be more and more manipulated. Sometimes this will be good for patients, but often it will be done to make it seem the patients are getting good care when they are getting the appearance of good care.
In other words cut corners financially, go around the doctors, supply the patients with the cheapest 'goods' available, maintaining that AI sought to supply care, but in fact with below standard equipment?
Already in place with laptops 😂😂😂😂🙄
Actually doctors are sometimes required to sign away their privileges to a nurse practitioner who is trained by the company to follow blindly a strict protocol. Pharmacists are “proven” to give better care for some conditions, I remember a patient with good BP but the side effects were terrible and unnecessary. Makes for challenging medicine to undo the damage of a simple protocol. The idea it is easier to control people who have less clinical training. Doctors are given mandatory education to learn how what is cheap is actually better medically as well. Pharmaceutical protocols and formularies that have the final say on what gets covered even when all the hoops and proofs have been submitted that an exception can be made. Administrators have final say. An administrator can refuse to let you hospitalize a patient. Administration doctors review charts and add diagnoses without seeing patients, sometimes that patients do not have, so the company can make more money. For example, chronic renal failure is put on charts because creatinine is above 1. It is not accurate, but it makes money for the companies.
There is truth to the ideas the company has but it is done in ways that ignore risks. For example a cholesterol LDL of 101, and goal of 100, will be given by protocol a combination of drugs known to increase risk of very serious side effects. If it was 99, she would not be given this drug combination. This is not done for her, it is done to make the company advertising rights when they can claim better care. The appearance of good care is what is important, and only what can be measured counts to good care.
The later point is absolutely going to be emphasized in AI. Good care is what you can measure.
Soon people will be refusing to be operated on by a human as a robot is safer. Give it 10 years
Collectively we do a very poor job of seeing the future. Look at the futuristic movies made in the 70's and 80 s, no cell phones seen in the crowds . No one walking down the street talking to his hand , no one staring at his hand through dinner . Who would have believed that a day would come when there were more cell phones than people. Where are the flying cars ? Where is Donald Trump? Any clairvoyant could easily have proven that he had a gift and become famous by simply saying a few words before 911 or Covid or Donald Trumps nomination . Actually there was one but he has been very quiet . Generally we can not see through the fog and by the time we see it the stock is already too high . There used to be a think tank that spent much time and effort trying to look into the future, but I can not remember their name. What would happen if.... does not get played much in the general population any more, and I find that strange . We seem to leave it to the domain of story / movie writers while we just stumble along into eternity.
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