The 5 worst food for arthritis

[TL500]

Hi all, What do you think about this please? Thanks.

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[chartist]

Instead of looking at things that may contribute to exacerbation of arthritis, or things that can fight the symptoms of arthritis, it may be more useful to look at a potential cause, boron deficiency. Areas of the world that have the lowest boron soil content generally have the highest arthritis rates and areas of the world that have the highest boron soil content generally have the lowest arthritis rates! 3 mg of boron is going to be too small of a dose to be effective, yet that is all that many glucosamine manufacturers add to their pills.

Here is a link to a post I wrote about it and what to do about it.

I have been able to put my psoriatic arthritis in remission for well over a decade using less than a pennies worth of borax five days of the week or less than a nickel per week. It works for multiple types of arthritis and it works fairly quickly!

healthunlocked.com/parkinso...

Like everything else, it doesn't work for everybody, but it does work for the majority!

Btw, that whole spiel is an add for a supplement.

Art

[TL500 in reply to chartist]

Thanks very much Art. Appreciate the link.

[Fed1000 in reply to chartist]

I was very interested in your post about Boro, a fairly unknown supplement in my country. I bought it for my arthritis in my hands in the form of 3 mg. Do you think that Boro has beneficial effects also for Parkinson's? Do you believe that the dose of 3 mg. a day is it sufficient for the daily requirement? Thank you and cordially greets.

[chartist in reply to Fed1000]

Borax is banned in some areas of the world, but boron based supplements can usually be found.

I can only speak for what I have already tried on myself. When I tried 3mg of boron that was included in a glucosamine supplement that I used to take before I found borax, it did absolutely nothing for my arthritis. I also doubled the recommended glucosamine supplement intake for about a month so that means I was getting 6 mg of boron everyday for a month and again it did nothing in terms of symptom improvement.

Borax contains approximately 11.3% boron. I take approximately 940 ~ 1,000 mg of borax each weekday and then take Saturday and Sunday off.

11.3% X 970 mg = approximately 110 mg of boron or 550 mg per week or about 79 mg of boron for each day. That is the effective dose for me. When I tried 40 mg day of boron from borax, it did not fully keep my arthritis in remission, so I went back to the higher dose which has kept me pain free and my arthritis in remission for well over a decade for less than a penny per day.

If you do your research, you will quickly see the correlation between the soil content of boron and most types of arthritis.

As far as beneficial effects for PWPs, I think the answer is yes and no. If a PWP has arthritis that is severe enough to affect their quality of life, then I would say yes, it would be helpful because if you put the arthritis in remission then that person will be able to move and maneuver easier.

In terms of a direct effect on the disease process of PD, I would say that borax would have minimal if any direct effect on the disease process, but a common issue in PD is osteoporosis or low bone mineral density which can create a host of structural problems and borax can help in that arena. Borax is proven to lower certain inflammatory mediators that are active in PD, but borax is not highly potent in this respect. Borax is proven to lower the inflammatory mediators NFKB, TNF-a, IL-1b and I-L 6 which should be useful in many disease states including PD. Borax /boron have also shown themselves to be protective of some organs and possibly useful at helping to remove fluoride from the body. If you read the full post with links in it, you will quickly see that if borax was a patentable prescription med, it would be quite popular and quite expensive.

I also use it to keep ants and roaches away, kill mold and of course get my laundry cleaner!

Art

[Fed1000 in reply to chartist]

Thank you Arte, very complete answer. I'll start with 6 mg. of Boron per day for a month, then I will consider whether to increase the dose.

[chartist in reply to Fed1000]

Good idea starting low and working your way up because like every other med and supplement, some people are unable to tolerate borax and some people are not able to tolerate a boron supplement at a therapeutic dose, so your approach seems safer than just jumping right in at a therapeutic dose.

Art

[TL500 in reply to chartist]

Art, I haven't read/seen all the links in the other one, but I want to know since borax is used in laundry, and it keeps ants & roaches away, would it be toxic for our bodies?

or is it similar to the baking powder some people use for arthritis? Thanks.

[chartist in reply to TL500]

Most things will be toxic for humans in the right amount, but borax at the dosing that people use for arthritis is not toxic, but as with most things that we ingest, some people will simply not be able to tolerate borax, but the majority do as you will see if you read the information in that post. The actual toxicity of borax is slightly less than sodium chloride (salt). I take approximately 4.5 to 5 grams of borax per week and have not had any problems with that dose for well over a decade, so I thought it was worth mentioning. I take one quarter level US measuring teaspoon each weekday with weekends off. I mention US measuring teaspoon since the teaspoon measurement can be different in other countries, but it is 940 mg to 1,000 mg per each weekday with Saturday and Sunday off, to be clear what I am doing. The person who told me that dose also said that 1/8th teaspoon is what women and smaller adults would use 1/8th level teaspoon or half of what I am taking.

I don't really consider that baking soda is comparable to borax even though they both knockdown specific inflammatory mediators, that is where baking soda stops and borax continues on to replace boron that is deficient in different forms of arthritis. If you are using baking soda for its anti-inflammatory effects in order to reduce the inflammation associated with arthritis, then stopping baking soda likely means that the arthritis will be back quickly whereas once you put arthritis in remission with boron/borax, the effect will be longer lasting if you stop the borax. I think I have gone up to 3 months or so before I noticed that some symptoms were returning and I started back on borax and the symptoms went away again. I have done this several times so I know it works this way. After reading more about the many benefits of boron/borax I decided to take it continuously for 5 days of every week in order to get some of the other benefits of borax such as its ability to reduce the chances of getting osteoporosis. By filling the boron deficiency in an arthritis patient, the joints can start to repair themselves to the extent that they are able. In other words you are trying to actually stop one cause of arthritis as opposed to just working on the associated inflammation which can give some relief, but not a long term fix by any means. I would consider borax to be a longer term fix for those who tolerate it or boron. Some people who can't tolerate borax are able to tolerate boron supplements, but it can be trial and error to find out what is best for each individual.

Regarding the use of baking soda for arthritis, some proponents of baking soda recommend a teaspoon a day dissolved in water to drink, but the reality of that is that one teaspoon of baking soda all at once, will give some people diarrhea!

Art

[TL500 in reply to chartist]

Thanks very much Art. You always have very good info for things and I'm glad and appreciate you provide the info & reply.

When do we take borax? away from meds and other supplements?

with/without food?

My older sister has bad rheumatoid and hyperthyroid (Grave's disease). Her joints in wrists, fingers, thumbs, ankle are really bad, deofrmed. Her ankles swell too.

Have you any suggestion of natural ways to help her please? Thanks.

[chartist in reply to TL500]

I mix my 1/4 level US measuring teaspoon into one liter of water and sip this throughout the day. I try not to take it on an empty stomach just in case I am sensitive to it. My stomach always does much better with supplements and pills if I have a little food in it.

The guy who explained about borax to me said that he always recommends 1/8th teaspoon for women and small adults and of course, the 1/4th level teaspoon for adult men.

I take the 1/4 teaspoon each weekday and then I take Saturday and Sunday off. It took about three weeks to a month before I started to notice significant pain relief.

Art

[TL500 in reply to chartist]

Thanks very much Art. What about away from other supplements or medications?

Thanks

[chartist in reply to TL500]

Something to consider is that the dose for a woman is half the dose for a man or approximately 470 mg ~ 500 mg each weekday with weekends off. These 470 ~ 500 mg are dissolved in one liter of water and sipped throughout the day so you are never getting a huge amount at any one time and if it worried me, I just wouldn't do any sipping around the time I am taking meds or supplements.

Art

[TL500 in reply to chartist]

how long away do you think, esp from meds? Thanks

[chartist in reply to TL500]

You may be interested in this, but it is just one person's anecdotal report that may or may not matter and definitely not science based :

gazetachicago.com/borax-for...

Art

[TL500 in reply to chartist]

Thanks very much Art. Another good info which Borax can be for my sister for both diseases.

Do you think the "concentration" she mentioned is similar to your dose?

Thanks.

Ps. Not sure if can find same Borax in Australia.

[chartist in reply to TL500]

What she is doing is making it much much harder than it has to be!

From what she wrote, she is adding a level full teaspoon of borax to a liter of water or as she put it, about 30 ounces of water, but a liter is 33.184, so which is it?. Based on what I have measured on a digital scale, a teaspoon of borax weighs somewhere around 3.8 grams. She takes different size doses between 60 and 80 ml per day, so I have to pick one in order to get some semblance of accuracy. I picked the 80 ml dose/day which she takes in 4 individual 20 ml doses each day for a total of 80 ml of her bottle each day. I'm converting the 3.8 grams to 3,800 mg. I am going to say that the bottle is 30 ounces and converting that to ml = 887 ml, to try and simplify. I am dividing the 887 ml by the 80 ml per day that she say she is using and that equals 11.0875 which is the number of daily doses she will get per bottle and I am rounding down to 11 or 11 days of dosing for the bottle she made. So the original 3800 mg should be divided by 11 to get and idea of how many milligrams she is getting per day. 3,800 mg / 11 = approximately 345 mg per day, but I didn't see that she mentioned taking weekends off, so she is taking that dose 7 days per week.

The 1/8th teaspoon dose gives approximately 475 mg per day, but that is only 5 days per week, so you have to multiply the 475 x 5 = 2,375 which is the total per week so now you have to divide the 2,375 / 7 days = 340mg per day or very close to what she is saying she is taking per day (345 mg/day).

I was looking at Amazon Australia and it looks like you can buy it, but it is very expensive compared to here in the US. Here is one example that I saw :

amazon.com.au/Essendant-Lag...

This supposedly contains two boxes of 20 Mule Team Borax for $125.64 or $62.82 per box ! It might be cheaper to buy it from a science supply house or possibly order it through a pharmacy. I pay between $5 and $6 for one of those boxes here in the US in almost any market in their laundry aisle. If you are only dosing for your wife, one box will last for years at an 1/8th teaspoon per day. If you have friends or family here in the US, maybe they can ship a box to you. Postage can't be that much.

Art

[TL500 in reply to chartist]

Thanks very much Art for working the maths for me! It's too much for me to work it out. And thanks for the Borax search. It's very kind of you. I appreciate it.

[chartist in reply to TL500]

I found this thread that says you may be able to find Borax at Coles in the laundry aisle, but it appears that thread was last updated about a year ago, so I don't know if it is still valid.

stayathomemum.com.au/ask-sa...

It is not 20 Mule Team like here in the US, but it does say Borax.

Art

[TL500 in reply to chartist]

Thanks very much Art. Another thing beside cost is that I'm worried about wrong type of Borax which human should not consume. Can I be wrong?

Thanks.

[chartist in reply to TL500]

I have no control over something that I can't even see. One option is to order a box from the US. Something like this :

amazon.com/Borax-Mule-Team-...

There are plenty of sellers on US Amazon and it seems like at least one will ship to Australia. The cost of a box here in the laundry aisle of most markets is about $6. You would have to pay shipping, but how much could that be? Where you are, it looks like you will have to pay around $65 + for a box if you can find it and possibly shipping on top of that. One box will last for years.

The manufacturer says the shelf life is indefinite as long as the product remains dry. I transfer my box into large mason Jars to protect it from moisture exposure.

Art

[TL500 in reply to chartist]

Thanks Art. As soon as i reach the Amazon page it says it's not available or something to my location.

Also, I read this:

medicalnewstoday.com/articl...

which makes me scared. Don't know how to help my sister.

[chartist in reply to TL500]

TL500,

I just read the article you linked to and they use no studies at all to backup their fear mongering. If you are unwilling to read all of the studies and links in the post that I wrote about borax which show that borax is safe at the dosing that people use for different forms of arthritis, then maybe borax is not for you or your wife.

Consider the current standard medical treatments for different forms of arthritis which include biologics and highly potent immune suppressants as well as chemotherapeutic agents and consider their specific safety profiles and then compare them to the known safety profile of borax at the dose that people use for arthritis and tell me again which one you are scared of!?!?!?!

Here is a link to a very common biologic that is typically prescribed for arthritis called Enbrel that describes some of the side effects and adverse events associated with the use of Enbrel. Please scroll the full page, because the list is long and I do not believe it is complete :

rxlist.com/enbrel-side-effe...

Here is another link that explains about the safety of borax at the dose that people use for arthritis, well actually a higher dose than is typically used for arthritis.

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/100...

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/265...

You may be wondering if boric acid is the same as borax. When borax is ingested and runs into hydrochloric acid, it becomes boric acid.

Good luck!

Art

[chartist in reply to TL500]

TL500,

I entered delivery to Australia on the US Amazon website and many listings came up :

amazon.com/s?k=20+mule+team...

You can contact anyone of them and see if they will actually ship to Australia and find out what shipping will cost. Note that many of these vendors are offering more than one box of Borax in their listing on Amazon US.

Art

[TL500 in reply to chartist]

Thanks very much Art. What do you think about the Medicalnewstoday link above regarding the risk please? Thanks.

[TL500 in reply to chartist]

Thanks very much Art. Appreciate.

[wifeofparky]

it is a long winded sales pitch to sell you an enzyme that "cures" your arthritis inflammation.

[TL500 in reply to wifeofparky]

Thanks.