Contact info for another compounding pharmacy. CORRECTION: I said McGuff'S thiamine was not sterile which was wrong, it is sterile.

[MBAnderson]

I may have scared the be Jesus out of some some of you reporting that the thiamine from McGuff was not sterile. That was completely inaccurate and wrong. Their thiamine comes sterile. My apologies.

"We make a Thiamine injection.

It delivers 200mg of thiamine per 1 ml.

100mg would be in 0.5 ml

The price is $86.00 for 30 ml.

"

On Thu, Oct 25, 2018 at 8:12 AM Larry Frieders <[e-mail]> wrote:

---------- Forwarded message ---------

From: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>

Date: Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 5:56 PM

Subject: [#5336354] Improved Contact Form Submission

To: <[e-mail]>

Our preparation is sterile. We make two versions; one WITH a preservative (chlorbutanol) and one WITHOUT.

The preservative free version is in a 10 ml vial. The preserved version is 30 ml.

We recommend keeping both preparations in the refrigerator after they have been opened the first time. We are confident of the sterility when we make them, but have no control over the user's environment after it has been opened.

The preparations do not contain aluminum.

Larry J. Frieders, R.Ph.

The Compounder Pharmacy

DISCLAIMER: The information provided by The Compounder is not intended as a substitute for professional medical help or advice. It is to be used only as an aid in understanding current medical knowledge. Our website, blogs, and social media content are intended to support well being by providing science-based answers about lifestyle, healthy eating, exercise, and the use of drugs and surgery (when absolutely necessary). By using our information you acknowledge that you understand and agree with this disclaimer.

facebook.com/thecompounder

340 Marshall, Unit 100 ~ Aurora, IL 60506

Tel: [phone] FAX: [phone]

[MBAnderson]

I had my 2nd 100 mg injection of thiamine yesterday and I don't have a full head of hair or bigger muscles, I'm not any taller or better looking, my wife, children, and dog don't love me more, my chess game hasn't improved, I still have to do my own laundry, and Trump continues to tweet.

What gives??

[Gioc in reply to MBAnderson]

ah ah ! The mood is much better, Excuse me but let me say 😀

[park_bear in reply to MBAnderson]

LOL!

[Juliegrace]

I've been taking B1 injections from McGuff for the better part of the year with no problems and I have been buying my B12 (methylcobalamin injectionable) from them for five years.

[park_bear]

mcguffpharmacy.com/Compound...

McGuff: "An injectable compounded medication is a sterile drug to be administered into the body...Injectables must be sterile, have limited endotoxins and must meet labeled potency."

Any preparation intended for injection had better be sterile. Otherwise, the vendor would be sued out of business as well as shut down by the authorities in short order.

[MBAnderson]

I just got off the phone with Clay. I was wrong. My apology.

He said the stuff is sterile, but as soon as it is opened it can become contaminated. He also said it does not have a preservative and without a preservative it's good for one hour and with the preservative it's good for 28 days. I don't know what "good for" means.

He and I went over the protocols we're using and he agreed with them.

I will edit the title of this thread and probably should delete some comments.

[MBAnderson]

My sincere apology.

[park_bear in reply to MBAnderson]

No problem. Glad we got it straightened out

[MBAnderson in reply to park_bear]

My wife agrees with you that of course it is sterile otherwise they would immediately be (sued and) closed down because if it is not sterile, it's contaminated.

I am seriously puzzled, though.

During my 1st conversation, when I thought it was told it was not sterile, I was taken aback and so didn't place an order. A few days later, believing I must have misunderstood, I called back a 2nd time, talk with a pharmacist and again thought I was being told it wasn't sterile and so once again didn't place an order. Still in disbelief, I called back a 3rd time, talk to different pharmacist and yet for the 3rd time thought I was told the same thing, but that after having 3 thorough discussions about sanitary protocols and how none of their customers have had any problems, I went ahead and placed the order.

I'm baffled as to how that happened. Can I blame it on Parkinson's?

[MBAnderson in reply to MBAnderson]

I figured it out. I was being told once I opened it, it was no longer sterile and I misinterpreted that to mean once it was opened up, the stuff in the bottle was no longer sterile, when what they were saying was once it's opened up (a needle punctures the seal,) stuff in the bottle MAY not sterile.

Whatever, were all back on the same page again

[Juliegrace]

This is the first place I've seen .5 ml = 100mg. Every other supplier has 1 ml = 100mg.

[bibsie]

Do you need a prescription for B1 from a compounding pharmacy? Its not a drug. If you do, how do you find a doctor who wlil write one?

My husband's doctor is close to retirement. Be is not interested in exploring alternative therapies and he is the only movement disorder specialist around. We would like to try injectable B1.

[MBAnderson in reply to bibsie]

Yes, you need a prescription. It's a low risk compound, so most doctors won't have trouble prescribing it.

[MBAnderson in reply to bibsie]

Are you looking for a doctor? Where do you live?

[reedboat2]

My understanding from the above discussion is the 30ml vial (preserved) would = 60 injections, one month supply. The price at $86 is very reasonable. Is there a concern that the larger vial is more likely to become contaminated (than for example the 10ml vial)? What are the safety protocols? Thanks - John G

[Hidden in reply to reedboat2]

I think if you give yourself 60 injections in one month you are definitely going to have a problem and this is one good reason to contact Dr. Costantini right up front so you don't do something like give yourself 60 injections in one month!!!!

Art

[reedboat2 in reply to Hidden]

Sorry I meant 60 injections on the life of the vial. The injections per month would be 8.

Thanks- JG

[MBAnderson in reply to reedboat2]

Also, please ask the pharmacists if they say it's good for 28 days and what that means?

[MBAnderson in reply to Hidden]

If you did that, it could grow a 3rd arm.

[MBAnderson in reply to reedboat2]

Yes, it can grow bacteria. You need to talk to the pharmacist about how to keep it sterile. We use 'clean' gloves, sterile pads, keep the bottle in a zip lock bag in the fridge so it never touches anything but the sterile pad and clean gloves. Look at it in the syringe for cloudiness, wipe the alcohol bottle and the vial before and after, blah, blah, blah,

34 studies all conclude injecting yourself with infectious bacteria is not advised.